Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[Blue Amethyst]

I keep wondering about the statement (can't find it) where the Liknes home was sold to a lawyer. How did that come out to the public?

Is this what you were looking for?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...in-bid-to-find-him-his-wife-and-his-grandson/

 

[LoisLane]

Is this what you were looking for?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...in-bid-to-find-him-his-wife-and-his-grandson/

Thanks Blue. That is one of the most detailed articles. I wonder if the reporter is still working on the story. I have seen the reference, I was hoping for a little more info which is why I would like to pull title. Which of course I wouldn't post on the forum for privacy reasons.

 

[YYC Lady]

Anybody can pull title in alberta using the "Spin2" system as a "guest". To get actual ownership, you will have to use your credit card and it will cost 10 dollars. I assume that's how they got the name of the purchaser and were able to determine he was a lawyer.

Further to the post above, I agree, this case is just so haunting and I continue to think of this family daily, specifically NO's parents and brothers and JL. He is also still very young to have lost his parents. I pray there is recovery of the victims and justice served.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Has this been posted before? I came across the CSA website...

http://www.csa-acvm.ca/disciplinedpersons.aspx?id=74

This is an interesting site.... Scroll down for recent disciplines

** ETA - sleuthed some more, it is not the same person so I am deleting the link. However the CSA website is a great resource.

No DG, but did you notice CL's name is on there?? From 2000 for Illegal or unregistered distributions.

ETA - P.S.: great link you posted, pretty cool! I had no idea this website existed.

 

[LoisLane]

No DG, but did you notice CL's name is on there?? From 2000 for Illegal or unregistered distributions.

ETA - P.S.: great link you posted, pretty cool! I had no idea this website existed.

Yes, he is in there! Also if you look at the 10 newest disciplines you will see the Chandran name. That was a big one in Alberta.

 

[stan laurel]

Thanks Blue. That is one of the most detailed articles. I wonder if the reporter is still working on the story. I have seen the reference, I was hoping for a little more info which is why I would like to pull title. Which of course I wouldn't post on the forum for privacy reasons.

I wonder if it's HH?

 

[LoisLane]

I wonder if it's HH?

That is what I am after... You never know!

Can you retain a lawyer with personal real estate? Or pay a debt off that way?

 

[Cherchri]

3 shot dead in Consort http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/three-dead-in-central-alberta-shooting-1.2038115

 

[Hez]

3 shot dead in Consort http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/three-dead-in-central-alberta-shooting-1.2038115

I was just coming here to post this, thank you. Another one that's close to home. I hope I don't know anyone involved.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I was just coming here to post this, thank you. Another one that's close to home. I hope I don't know anyone involved.

Sounds Lovetrianglemurdersuicide-ish.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

3 shot dead in Consort http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/three-dead-in-central-alberta-shooting-1.2038115

Geez again! We obviously don't have much for conflict resolution skills ... I've heard that the human race is the only group in the animal kingdom destined to kill itself off...sounds about right apparently. Worse than male salmon.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Just wanted to post something noticed by someone else in another forum, nothing new. This was an observation noticed when DG was first arrested for the ID theft and not the Liknes/O'Brien crime.

"Garland appeared in court briefly Monday morning on closed-circuit video for an unrelated identity theft charge. Court documents show he was found in possession of the identification of Matthew Hartley on July 4 and charged the next day with the intention of using it to commit an indictable offence.

Garland was calm and courteous during his short court appearance. Asked by Judge M.T. Tyndale if he had spoken with a lawyer since his arrest on July 4, he answered, “not as yet.”

“I wish to speak to duty counsel,” he said. (BBM)

This is an indictable offence:

"Indictable Offence
Indictable offences are the most serious offences under the Criminal Code and they come with more
serious punishments. Examples of this type of offence are theft over $5,000, assault or murder.
Here is some information you should know if you are charged with an indictable offence.
Depending on the offence, you could receive a penalty as high as life in a correctional centre.
more.

So, my mind wondered - what indictable crime was he planning on committing in connection with this ID that LE stopped in time then arrested him? It wasn't just using the false ID that was illegal, he was either going to use for theft over $5000, assault or murder. Did he have other persons he planned to kill or a list? Or was he going to use ID to steal something, and if so, what? OR

Is the charge the next day related to the Liknes crime? Although, IIRC they were thought to be unrelated...

http://www.justicebc.ca/en/cjis/you/accused/understanding_charges/types_of_offences.html

http://www.canada.com/Person+interest+identified+Calgary+missing+family+case/10008126/story.html

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Just wanted to post something noticed by someone else in another forum, nothing new. This was an observation noticed when DG was first arrested for the ID theft and not the Liknes/O'Brien crime.

"Garland appeared in court briefly Monday morning on closed-circuit video for an unrelated identity theft charge. Court documents show he was found in possession of the identification of Matthew Hartley on July 4 and charged the next day with the intention of using it to commit an indictable offence.

Garland was calm and courteous during his short court appearance. Asked by Judge M.T. Tyndale if he had spoken with a lawyer since his arrest on July 4, he answered, “not as yet.”

“I wish to speak to duty counsel,” he said. (BBM)

This is an indictable offence:

"Indictable Offence
Indictable offences are the most serious offences under the Criminal Code and they come with more
serious punishments. Examples of this type of offence are theft over $5,000, assault or murder.
Here is some information you should know if you are charged with an indictable offence.
Depending on the offence, you could receive a penalty as high as life in a correctional centre.
more.

So, my mind wondered - what indictable crime was he planning on committing in connection with this ID that LE stopped in time then arrested him? It wasn't just using the false ID that was illegal, he was either going to use for theft over $5000, assault or murder. Did he have other persons he planned to kill or a list? Or was he going to use ID to steal something, and if so, what? OR

Is the charge the next day related to the Liknes crime? Although, IIRC they were thought to be unrelated...

http://www.justicebc.ca/en/cjis/you/accused/understanding_charges/types_of_offences.html

http://www.canada.com/Person+interest+identified+Calgary+missing+family+case/10008126/story.html

Maybe he was trying to buy a big ticket item, like a motorbike or used vehicle to get away in? I don't know what instance you would use ID for if you were planning on 'stealing' something? Perhaps it was for a rental vehicle?

 

[LoisLane]

Maybe he was trying to buy a big ticket item, like a motorbike or used vehicle to get away in? I don't know what instance you would use ID for if you were planning on 'stealing' something? Perhaps it was for a rental vehicle?

Would the stolen identification alone be enough to be considered an indictable offence? I just can't understand that it would relate to murder ( at the time he was arrested) and release him on the bail of $750. Would releasing him to see what he does next be an example of the whole tunnel vision problem?

 

[LoisLane]

I wonder if it's HH?

For this who are curious who HH is I have found the MSM article where he is referenced. There is a court document as well, I have it somewhere and will post when I find it.

"Another item in his file showed that he was sued by a man named Harris N. Hanson, who claimed the businessman had made “material misrepresentations” that allegedly induced Mr. Hanson to advance $25,000 to Cherhill Resources Inc."
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...glas-garland-over-patent-calgary-family-says/

Also, Cherhill is close to Mayerthorpe Alberta.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherhill,_Alberta

Copied from timeline:
1994 AL’s company ACL Resources Ltd went bankrupt after lending a large amount of money to Cherhill Resources. As a majority owner of Cherhill Resources, AL sold a Vancouver Island property for $32,000 to prop up the company. AL was sued (date unknown) by Harris N. Hanson claiming “material misrepresentations” by AL that resulted in Hanson advancing $25,000 to Cherhill Resources. Cherhill went bankrupt and ACL Resources was unable to pay Revenue Canada. (Dates unknown .. AL was also employed by and offered options to purchase shares in Granisko Resources Inc., which also subsequently went bankrupt.)

Lalalacasbah... Does this look like the same web format/template as the ones you posted the other day?
http://www.hancap.com

 

[Krystine]

Are house deeds/ownership public record?

I think I mentioned it before on this thread. It's a trip downtown to land titles office and a small fee. Any realtor has an account and can fax in a request.

 

[deugirtni]

Good catch Lala!

I think there are more than those 3 charges that can be considered as 'indictible offences'. I'm not sure which one or ones of the below might be relevant to having/applying for/using(?)/presenting(?) a bank card in another person's name, but all of them can be considered 'indictable offences'. The obtaining, possessing, using(?) and presenting of it to others(?) are in themselves indictable offences. I wonder if it is possible to charge someone with not having it or obtaining it, but 'intending on using it to commit another indictable offence'??? (Wouldn't they have a difficult time proving what he 'intended' to do with it, as opposed to just charging him with simply having it, which can't really be argued if it was found in his possession? I would love to see a copy of the actual 'charge', as opposed to the reporter's report !

The photo of the green truck was released to the public on July 4th.

(this is referring to the Criminal Code of Canada)

CONSOLIDATED STATUTES OF CANADA
C
Criminal Code
PART IX OFFENCES AGAINST RIGHTS OF PROPERTY
Having in Possession
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Forgery and Offences Resembling Forgery

Forgery

366. (1) Every one commits forgery who makes a false document, knowing it to be false, with intent

(a) that it should in any way be used or acted on as genuine, to the prejudice of any one whether within Canada or not; or

MY NOTE: Wouldn't it be considered 'forgery' to apply for a bank card in someone else's name?

(b) that a person should be induced, by the belief that it is genuine, to do or to refrain from doing anything, whether within Canada or not.
--
Punishment for forgery

367. Every one who commits forgery

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 367; 1994, c. 44, s. 24; 1997, c. 18, s. 24.
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Uttering forged document

368. (1) Every one who, knowing that a document is forged,

(a) uses, deals with or acts on it, or

(b) causes or attempts to cause any person to use, deal with or act on it,

as if the document were genuine,

(c) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or

(d) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
--
373. [Repealed, R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 53]

Drawing document without authority, etc.

374. Every one who

(a) with intent to defraud and without lawful authority makes, executes, draws, signs, accepts or endorses a document in the name or on the account of another person by procuration or otherwise, or

(b) makes use of or utters a document knowing that it has been made, executed, signed, accepted or endorsed with intent to defraud and without lawful authority, in the name or on the account of another person, by procuration or otherwise,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

R.S., c. C-34, s. 332.
--
http://legalrorke.tripod.com/CCC/360.htm
--

Just wanted to post something noticed by someone else in another forum, nothing new. This was an observation noticed when DG was first arrested for the ID theft and not the Liknes/O'Brien crime.

"Garland appeared in court briefly Monday morning on closed-circuit video for an unrelated identity theft charge. Court documents show he was found in possession of the identification of Matthew Hartley on July 4 and charged the next day with the intention of using it to commit an indictable offence.

Garland was calm and courteous during his short court appearance. Asked by Judge M.T. Tyndale if he had spoken with a lawyer since his arrest on July 4, he answered, “not as yet.”

“I wish to speak to duty counsel,” he said. (BBM)

This is an indictable offence:

"Indictable Offence
Indictable offences are the most serious offences under the Criminal Code and they come with more
serious punishments. Examples of this type of offence are theft over $5,000, assault or murder.
Here is some information you should know if you are charged with an indictable offence.
Depending on the offence, you could receive a penalty as high as life in a correctional centre.
more.

So, my mind wondered - what indictable crime was he planning on committing in connection with this ID that LE stopped in time then arrested him? It wasn't just using the false ID that was illegal, he was either going to use for theft over $5000, assault or murder. Did he have other persons he planned to kill or a list? Or was he going to use ID to steal something, and if so, what? OR

Is the charge the next day related to the Liknes crime? Although, IIRC they were thought to be unrelated...

http://www.justicebc.ca/en/cjis/you/accused/understanding_charges/types_of_offences.html

http://www.canada.com/Person+interest+identified+Calgary+missing+family+case/10008126/story.html

 

[Lalalacasbah]

For this who are curious who HH is I have found the MSM article where he is referenced. There is a court document as well, I have it somewhere and will post when I find it.

"Another item in his file showed that he was sued by a man named Harris N. Hanson, who claimed the businessman had made “material misrepresentations” that allegedly induced Mr. Hanson to advance $25,000 to Cherhill Resources Inc."
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...glas-garland-over-patent-calgary-family-says/

Also, Cherhill is close to Mayerthorpe Alberta.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherhill,_Alberta

Copied from timeline:
1994 AL’s company ACL Resources Ltd went bankrupt after lending a large amount of money to Cherhill Resources. As a majority owner of Cherhill Resources, AL sold a Vancouver Island property for $32,000 to prop up the company. AL was sued (date unknown) by Harris N. Hanson claiming “material misrepresentations” by AL that resulted in Hanson advancing $25,000 to Cherhill Resources. Cherhill went bankrupt and ACL Resources was unable to pay Revenue Canada. (Dates unknown .. AL was also employed by and offered options to purchase shares in Granisko Resources Inc., which also subsequently went bankrupt.)

Lalalacasbah... Does this look like the same web format/template as the ones you posted the other day?
http://www.hancap.com

It looks very similar in layout, but is registered to a A*****@EASYCOMP.CO.UK. This person has a couple companies that look kinda legit, although the hancap.com looks very questionable.

Also, if you or others want to know - you can look up who any website is registered to on the godaddy site, which is a cool tool. After I find the name/email linked to the site registration, I google the email address with quotes, it's good for sleuthing!

And also the whoisology site is good for taking the email address you find on godaddy to search all sites registered to that email.

Thought to share, as I would do more sleuthing this way, but don't have the time to spend on this I want to. So have at 'er to anyone who wants think these tools might help!

https://who.godaddy.com
https://whoisology.com

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Maybe he was trying to buy a big ticket item, like a motorbike or used vehicle to get away in? I don't know what instance you would use ID for if you were planning on 'stealing' something? Perhaps it was for a rental vehicle?

Yeah, I'm so curious, I don't really know... The law says 'theft' though, but maybe with a fake ID it is considered theft OR maybe he did rent a vehicle with the fake ID and didn't return it so it technically is theft??

 

[deugirtni]

Here is a lot of info on Granisko (somehow that sounds Mexican to me!)

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GRANISKO+RESOURCES+INC.+CONCLUDES+NEGOTIATIONS+WITH+LENDERS.-a016231057