Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #18

[stan laurel]

Do you mean down below, underneath the doors? I remember there was WS conversation regarding the mud there, a long time ago.

the mud is the fine prairie dust out here,, and it was me going on about how it sticks to areas that have been sprayed or oiled or something to that effect. that fine dusty mud should be throughout that level of the truck, in the rims etc. you ever go to the car wash, do a spray clean, get home and that area that you thought you got good is still dirty? that's what I think when I see this picture.

 

[Wondergirl]

Does anyone know if the searches have been at all local to the Liknes' home, besides the very early canvassing?

 

[Wondergirl]

Does anyone think the fact that Travis Vader has now been released from jail on the charges of Lyle and Marie McCann, is any way correlated to Douglas Garland?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Does anyone think the fact that Travis Vader has now been released from jail on the charges of Lyle and Marie McCann, is any way correlated to Douglas Garland?

In what way do you mean? Are you thinking that perhaps LE now think that DG was responsible for Lyle and Marie McCann's disappearances as well?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

the mud is the fine prairie dust out here,, and it was me going on about how it sticks to areas that have been sprayed or oiled or something to that effect. that fine dusty mud should be throughout that level of the truck, in the rims etc. you ever go to the car wash, do a spray clean, get home and that area that you thought you got good is still dirty? that's what I think when I see this picture.

Especially if that dust was 'patted down' with fresh oil as often seen on dirt roads in the Summer. Makes it kind of grimey and sticky, very hard to get off without some elbow grease.

 

[LoisLane]

Is this the spot in the interview Lois? That is actually from across the street looking towards the L's...
Just before this in the video you see the police vehicle in the driveway of the house then they pan just down the street & then this guy is photographing.....
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Oh yes! My mistake. So I guess they are photographing from some sort of advantage point. I just had to jump the gun about the house across the street...

 

[LoriMcA]

Oh yes! My mistake. So I guess they are photographing from some sort of advantage point. I just had to jump the gun about the house across the street...

Oh heck...I didn't feel you were jumping the gun...the houses across the street are very interesting...vantage point...owners...or previous owners...both being for sale recently...the works!

So thank you for posting it...another link to add to my folder...

 

[LoisLane]

Does anyone think the fact that Travis Vader has now been released from jail on the charges of Lyle and Marie McCann, is any way correlated to Douglas Garland?

It very well could be. They have a year to lay new charges so maybe they have to line up all the ducks. I assume the motorhomes are stolen to cook meth but I could be wrong. I hope they keep Vader under surveillance. LE had stated they would be looking at other crimes to see if DG is connected.

 

[LoisLane]

the mud is the fine prairie dust out here,, and it was me going on about how it sticks to areas that have been sprayed or oiled or something to that effect. that fine dusty mud should be throughout that level of the truck, in the rims etc. you ever go to the car wash, do a spray clean, get home and that area that you thought you got good is still dirty? that's what I think when I see this picture.

I guess if you are touring the prairies the truck could have a sticky dry dirt. I wonder where he is driving that his truck can reach that condition. That does not happen on city streets and highways of Calgary. In his line of work was he in the field or in the office?

My brother brings his work truck home after working in the bush in Northern BC and it is covered in mud top to bottom, he washes it off just fine. The wheel wells need some extra work and he has to get underneath to push out the dirt from the other side. But the dirt comes off the body no problem. Maybe BC has cleaner soil

 

[LoisLane]

I am making a list of videos and came across this one showing a car parked outside the backyard garage inside the police tape. I had not noticed this vehicle before.

Calgary boy still missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzSeTeiUONg

Red line going down the driveway 1:06
Car in the back driveway 1:26

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I know there are other blood and body fluid detection products other than Luminol *that is used with black light so that wouldn't be used here being out in the daylight*...Blue Star is another that is quite similar to Luminol...
I know there is iodine spray & ninhydrin...among others...
Could you ask your son about sprays in particular? I don't know if this would be powder....in the picture there are definite remnants of a spray of some kind...

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It would be awesome if we could find out what the spray product might be...thanks newstalk!

deugirtni, isn't this the drip/garage panel photo you're looking for? Or was yours before the purple stuff?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I am making a list of videos and came across this one showing a car parked outside the backyard garage inside the police tape. I had not noticed this vehicle before.

Calgary boy still missing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzSeTeiUONg

Red line going down the driveway 1:06
Car in the back driveway 1:26

I wonder if perhaps it's one of the crime scene investigators' vehicles, or perhaps a family members car that was on scene during the search?

I've been hearing for the past several days that "JO dropped NO off that night for a sleepover". I was under the distinct impression that NO was 'left' there for a sleepover, seemingly after the garage sale, and the take out, movie and group cuddle on the couch. If JO did take NO over later at night for the sleepover, why would she be brining him clothes when she came back in the morning? You'ld think she would have sent him with his backpack equipped. Was NO there the whole day? Or did JO bring him back later?

 

[deugirtni]

I was sure that the video I saw showed a closeup of the garage-door-opener (remember at the time I had thought it was an alarm panel) and there were blood streams (very definitely red blood-looking streams, not purple), while the rest of the area above had no markings. At the time I said perhaps the person using the 'alarm panel' (which we have now confirmed is an auto-garage-door-opener) had gloves on and blood was streaming out... but since then, I am just wondering if the upper area was 'cleaned' (by perp or whoever, not by LE), and the streams below were left for some reason (no prints?). But now I can't find it, which is ridiculous.

deugirtni, isn't this the drip/garage panel photo you're looking for? Or was yours before the purple stuff?

 

[deugirtni]

Just another one of those inconsistencies. There are SO many of them. The other one that I was noticing over the past couple of days as i have been searching through videos to find that garage door opener one, is in the beginning, LE was asking for people who attended the same on June 28 and June 29 to come to the community centre.. whereas I thought it had been a '3 day sale'?

Also, regarding that black car, I have also seen that car before in at least one of the videos, but parked in the front driveway, after the tape was removed at some point. I was thinking it was probably JO's vehicle.

I wonder if perhaps it's one of the crime scene investigators' vehicles, or perhaps a family members car that was on scene during the search?

I've been hearing for the past several days that "JO dropped NO off that night for a sleepover". I was under the distinct impression that NO was 'left' there for a sleepover, seemingly after the garage sale, and the take out, movie and group cuddle on the couch. If JO did take NO over later at night for the sleepover, why would she be brining him clothes when she came back in the morning? You'ld think she would have sent him with his backpack equipped. Was NO there the whole day? Or did JO bring him back later?

 

[deugirtni]

Do we know who the '11 grandchildren' belong to? (Is it 11 or 13?)

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Are you referring to the garage security box?

There are much closer pics that I posted way back when, if you want to see more detail

Thanks Wondergirl, I did a quick browse of some earlier threads, you have such great photos! As did Weebles. I really have to spend time to revisits the first few threads, I think there's a lot of missed info in there some of us have forgotten.

Oh and no, not the garage opener panel box, but the big oval-like purple shape on the garage door. If you take a few steps back, it really shows the shape of a hand (to me). JMO. I attached a pic and added an arrow.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Does anyone think the fact that Travis Vader has now been released from jail on the charges of Lyle and Marie McCann, is any way correlated to Douglas Garland?

Do you mean legally or personally? Do you think DG and TV are connected or know each other, or do you mean how it's a similar case with no bodies?

ETA - oops noticed Tinker's question in relation to yours, which sounds like what you mean. Now that is interesting.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

the mud is the fine prairie dust out here,, and it was me going on about how it sticks to areas that have been sprayed or oiled or something to that effect. that fine dusty mud should be throughout that level of the truck, in the rims etc. you ever go to the car wash, do a spray clean, get home and that area that you thought you got good is still dirty? that's what I think when I see this picture.

Stan, do you mean he tried to make the truck clean as a whistle (the tires look spotless to me) but forgot to realize, the dirt dries and rises to the surface to be visible again afterwards?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I was sure that the video I saw showed a closeup of the garage-door-opener (remember at the time I had thought it was an alarm panel) and there were blood streams (very definitely red blood-looking streams, not purple), while the rest of the area above had no markings. At the time I said perhaps the person using the 'alarm panel' (which we have now confirmed is an auto-garage-door-opener) had gloves on and blood was streaming out... but since then, I am just wondering if the upper area was 'cleaned' (by perp or whoever, not by LE), and the streams below were left for some reason (no prints?). But now I can't find it, which is ridiculous.

I hear ya, I tried finding a couple photos and it was insane. I don't bookmark or save anything, because I think I won't need it again or it's in a thread somewhere, and I try online and think I should've saved stuff ahhh!

 

[stan laurel]

for the computer geeks;

if I make an email acct of > [email protected] < and there already is a [email protected] can I still have a [email protected] acct?