Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #21

[JadeSLeuth]

What is this legal issue today???! Back in roughly an hour.

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 2m2 minutes ago
Lawyers need to discuss a legal issue in #Garland trial regarding the next witness. The jury is dismissed for about an hour @CTVCalgary

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 2m2 minutes ago

We can sit in but not allowed to report anything that doesn't happen in front of jury until it's sequestered for deliberations #Garland Meghan Grant added,

 

[Cherchri]

What is this legal issue today???! Back in roughly an hour.

Ina SidhuVerified account ‏@CTVInaSidhu 2m2 minutes ago
Lawyers need to discuss a legal issue in #Garland trial regarding the next witness. The jury is dismissed for about an hour @CTVCalgary

Uh oh! Here we go.......

 

[Slebby]

Rural people burn their garbage, which normally means non-recyclable paper and burnable products. Food garbage is usually composted, recyclables are stored and recycled, and other garbage is taken to the dump. It is not true that all garbage is burned, although that is the impression given. The bottom line is that if all garbage was burned, the burn barrel would have to be replaced too often.

My point is that, from the crown's perspective, if they found bone fragments in the ashes from the first burn barrel, and put forth a theory that these fragments belong to the victims, the defence may dismiss those bone fragments as being from burned kitchen waste - beef, chicken or pork bones. By collecting the ashes from the other burn barrels, 9 months later, they are able to say "look, here's the difference between the ashes we collected with bone fragments we believe belong to the victims and regular ashes from an average burn barrel, same people, same property, presumably same garbage habits, no similar bone fragments in the ashes collected later"

PS I live in the country and you have not described my garbage/compost/recycle habits accurately at all. I don't think you can generalize for all rural folks as to how they dispose of waste.

IMO


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[JadeSLeuth]

Uh oh! Here we go.......

I thought it was the lock smiths today. What could the issue be with lock smiths?

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Ah, its the evidence of the witness (not the witness themselves??). Sooo, the drill marks on the lock? Or are the locksmiths not coming next at all. More forensics??

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 10m10 minutes ago
Garland trial in voir dire over legal issue surrounding evidence of next Crown witness. Jury stood down for about an hour. #garland

 

[Cherchri]

I thought it was the lock smiths today. What could the issue be with lock smiths?

The voir dire is usually to ascertain eligibility of the witness to "speak the truth" in this case may mean how is the witness deemed to be classed as an expert witness in order to "speak the truth"?? One of the locksmiths scheduled as a witness is a civilian and the other a CPS "expert".

Why this would not have been sorted out before the trial commenced I don't know! Taxpayers' money after all and they've had over 2 years to prepare.......

 

[KMouse]

I thought it was the lock smiths today. What could the issue be with lock smiths?

Perhaps if they can be considered an expert witness? Just a guess. I will assume CPS called in their special entry person or from RCMP to look at the lock that was drilled out.

How does one drill out a lock, assault 3 people and take them to a vehicle without making noise that alerted neighbors?
It was summer. Air conditioners were running. But still...

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[Tealgrove]

We had days of arguments at the Bosma Trial. They went straight to trial with no preliminary so it was arduous at best at times.

 

[garbagetweet]

Perhaps if they can be considered an expert witness? Just a guess. I will assume CPS called in their special entry person or from RCMP to look at the lock that was drilled out.

How does one drill out a lock, assault 3 people and take them to a vehicle without making noise that alerted neighbors?
It was summer. Air conditioners were running. But still...

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Air conditioners could hide some noise but it is important to keep in mind that this occurred during the weekend leading to the Canada Day holiday. Many folks, including possibly neighbours, would have been out of town.

We were out of town at the time in Montana and heard the amber alert on the radio as we were driving back to Calgary.

 

[cee_]

The voir dire is usually to ascertain eligibility of the witness to "speak the truth" in this case may mean how is the witness deemed to be classed as an expert witness in order to "speak the truth"?? One of the locksmiths scheduled as a witness is a civilian and the other a CPS "expert".

Why this would not have been sorted out before the trial commenced I don't know! Taxpayers' money after all and they've had over 2 years to prepare.......

Regarding why this is just now being sorted, it's possible that the defense team is trying to frazzle the crown. Specifically in the Oj Simpson trial, the two sets of attorneys frequently would challenge evidence and witnesses say of, they forced the other side to prepare for witnesses they never intended to call, etc. I don't mean to make trial lawyers sound conniving, but it's not an outrageous idea.


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[Cherchri]

Regarding why this is just now being sorted, it's possible that the defense team is trying to frazzle the crown. Specifically in the Oj Simpson trial, the two sets of attorneys frequently would challenge evidence and witnesses say of, they forced the other side to prepare for witnesses they never intended to call, etc. I don't mean to make trial lawyers sound conniving, but it's not an outrageous idea.


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Precisely! That is what I mean to convey as subtly as possible

 

[Cherchri]

Kevin Martin
@KMartinCourts
Justice Gates tells jurors the evidentiary issue he's discussing with lawyers is taking longer than anticipated. Dismisses jurors until 1:15

 

[Kamille]

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[Kamille]

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[Kamille]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 50s50 seconds ago
Garland jury trial about to resume with Crown prosecutor Shane Parker calling his next witness. #garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 5s5 seconds ago
#Garland trial to resume after lengthy break. Legal issue has been resolved and jury will enter momentarily. #yyc

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 22s22 seconds ago
After a long and mostly unproductive morning the #Garland trial is about to resume with testimony from Monte Salway, a US expert on locks.

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 42s42 seconds ago
In the opening statement from the Crown - the prosecutor alleged that #Garland had researched the Schlage BE365 keypad deadbolt lock.

 

[Kamille]

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[Kamille]

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[Kamille]

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 50s51 seconds ago
Salway works for Schlage Lock company. It was a Schlage BE365 lock that was found to be tampered with from Liknes' side door

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 1m1 minute ago
Salway started as a locksmith in 1990. He will be testifying about a specific Schlage lock (the kind on the Liknes home) #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 2m2 minutes ago
Salway says he began work as a locksmith in 1990 and is a member of the association of locksmiths of america. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 5s5 seconds ago
Salway says he's taken a complete course on lock bypass "how people would go about defeating or bypassing" a lock. #Garland #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 21s21 seconds ago
Salway is a member of the Associated Locksmiths of America and based in Carmel, Indiana. #garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 7s7 seconds ago
Salway, from Indiana, also teaches instructor training classes, teaching locksmiths how they can pass their knowledge onto others. #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now33 seconds ago
Salway started as a locksmith with the U.S. navy. #garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now32 seconds ago
Salway said he began learning about lock bypassing back in the 1990's while he was locksmith in the US Navy. #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 13s14 seconds ago
In current role Salway says he needs to know about lock bypassing in the terms that he needs to know how others would try to bypass #Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 10s11 seconds ago
He said the information gathered can be used to thwart people from bypassing Schlage locks. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 48s49 seconds ago
He said his role in "thwarting" people from bypassing the Schlage locks is gathering information and passing along to engineers etc #Garland

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg now21 seconds ago
Salway is officially qualified as an expert in locksmithing, particularly regarding Schlage locks and how they may be defeated #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 12s13 seconds ago
Justice Gates says he's satisfied Salway has the expertise in terms of locksmithing/ schlage locks. Qualified for opinion evidence #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts now50 seconds ago
Salway now explaining how an average door lock works. #garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney now37 seconds ago
Salway: Salway explaining Schlage lock parts, cylinder, tower or "bible," plug, etc. #Garland


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