Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #21

[JadeSLeuth]

Gotta run, be back later guys

 

[Leeesh]

Gotta run, be back later guys

Thanks JadeSLeuth 😊

 

[musicaljoke]

Is it common for the defense to concede that all evidence was treated properly? The only other trial I have followed is the bosma trial and I don't remember an agreed statement of facts regarding evidence collection. Why would the defense concede to that? Wouldn't they want to leave that little bit of doubt in the jury's mind that maybe the evidence was contaminated?

They'd need a legitimate concern or risk the ire of the court.

 

[Cherchri]

Meghan Grant ‏@CBCMeg 4m4 minutes ago
Gallen says she's done 4000+ scene examinations and about 300 involving footwear impressions #Garland


Meghan Grant ‏@CBCMeg 10m10 minutes ago

Gallen going over her qualifications as crime scene footprint expert #Garland

Meghan Grant ‏@CBCMeg 14m14 minutes ago

Crown wants next witness Sgt. Lynn Gallen to be qualified as expert in footwear impressions from forensic crime scenes #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Is it common for the defense to concede that all evidence was treated properly? The only other trial I have followed is the bosma trial and I don't remember an agreed statement of facts regarding evidence collection. Why would the defense concede to that? Wouldn't they want to leave that little bit of doubt in the jury's mind that maybe the evidence was contaminated?

It does seem a little different from most trials I've followed. But perhaps this defence team knows the severity and sensitivity of this trial and has no delusions that their client is innocent and is being "fitted up" by LE and the Crown. Their main job in this trial may just be to ensure that their client receives a fair trial and that all procedures are done to the letter of the law and that there is no chance for an appeal when the final verdict is read.

I see that some believe that DG just wants to go through the motions of this trial to get everything out in the open about how he was wronged and perhaps feels somewhat justified in what he did. And perhaps he needs this trial to ease his own demented sense of entitlement and get the final word. Should be interesting if he decides to take the stand. If that is case, his defence team have no choice but to represent him. If they choose to do this by just making sure that everything was done according to protocol, then I could see them agreeing to a lot of things that they don't have any issues with.

I found it interesting that the one thing that I had a question with yesterday was the officer who claimed he thought it unusual as soon as he saw the router off in the home. I thought that was a bit of a stretch and he may have been elaborating his initial response and I noticed that the defense also questioned him on it. So they will question the things that they are doubtful about but perhaps just go with an ASF for the things that they wouldn't be questioning anyway?

MOO

 

[Cherchri]

Gallen has been qualified as an expert in footwear 3 times before this, and ~6-8 times for fingerprints. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 3m3 minutes ago
Gallen says @CalgaryPolice also has access to an international footwear database called SICAR, updated 4 times a year. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 3m3 minutes ago
Gallen says there are several footwear databanks. Calgary has their own (one for unidentified footwear and another for identified) #Garland

 

[Cherchri]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Nathan O'Brien's parents, Jennifer and Rod, are back in court today. #Garland #yyc

 

[dyannaON]

It's so scary to know people harbour such deep evil thoughts for years.
To be able to sit on this and pounce at the right moment is horrifying.


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[Cherchri]

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 5m5 minutes ago
Of course, CPS also has known footwear impressions in its data bank as well. #Garland

 

[Kamille]

[video=twitter;822497355651944448]https://twitter.com/MetroLucie/status/822497355651944448[/video]

 

[Cherchri]

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 53s54 seconds ago
Gallen says she was part of a crime scene team - a sergeant and two constables. "We received a short briefing."

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 2m2 minutes ago
Gallen says she did attend the Liknes residence the evening of June 30, 2014 - the day the victims were reported missing. #Garland

 

[Bravo]

I did attend a high profile case here in Ont. saw the same. Not much was challenged by the Defense. Saw to it Rafferty received a fair Trial. I actually liked the Defense Lawyer as shocking as that may be lol. Rode the elevator with him a few times and in line for coffee. Benign convo of course. In essence I agree with Kamille. Sometimes the evidence is so overwhelming there is not much to challenge. Especially in horrific crimes.

 

[Cherchri]

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 2m2 minutes ago
Gallen said they were entering the residence without a warrant - but the goal in this case was to search for a child - Nathan O'Brien.

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 2m2 minutes ago
Gallen said her role as team sergeant is to make sure all the rules were followed "This case was different - there was a sense of urgency."

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 3m3 minutes ago
Gallen says they received photos from other officers - picture of a sidewalk and a photo inside the garage with marks on the floor.

 

[Cherchri]

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 2m2 minutes ago
"The footprint impressions we saw appeared to be in blood - they can be quite delicate," said Gallen. Didn't want to damage impressions.

Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 3m3 minutes ago
Gallen said police waited for a warrant to be signed before starting the forensic work on the Liknes home. Includes photos and video.

 

[Cherchri]

He means early on!
Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
"Very early one, one of the things we had to take into account, we knew a blood stain expert would have to come to the scene," said Gallen.

 

[Cherchri]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 2m2 minutes ago
"We felt a bloodstain expert would be required to come to the scene," Gallen They tried not to move anything until expert got there #Garland

 

[Cherchri]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago
Gallen said she helped mark footprints (frame, scale, spray chemical) at Liknes home #Garland #yyc

 

[Cherchri]

More technical problems:

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago

Mics in the courtroom are making a crazy feedback noise...brief break now to try and fix it.... #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

I did attend a high profile case here in Ont. saw the same. Not much was challenged by the Defense. Saw to it Rafferty received a fair Trial. I actually liked the Defense Lawyer as shocking as that may be lol. Rode the elevator with him a few times and in line for coffee. Benign convo of course. In essence I agree with Kamille. Sometimes the evidence is so overwhelming there is not much to challenge. Especially in horrific crimes.

That's exactly the case I was thinking about Bravo! I do think that Derstine just made sure MR got a fair and balanced trial and that he had no chance for appeal. And after the initial shock of some of the things that went on, I did come to appreciate that he was doing what he had to do to make sure his clients rights were defended and therefore I really came to appreciate what he did and consider him to be an upstanding defence attorney.

I'm getting the same impression here.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

More technical problems:

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 1m1 minute ago

Mics in the courtroom are making a crazy feedback noise...brief break now to try and fix it.... #Garland #yyc

And Christie Blatchford starts writing another column about court delays .... :giggle: