Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #22

[garbagetweet]

We learned from Allen's testimony that it was DG's sister who fired him.
We also learned that DG assisted with some wiring.
I think the application for the patent was filed before DG began to assist - can anyone confirm when DG started?
The patent application was in 2001.
Just a few things to add to your considerations. It would be nice to know exactly when DG started work and if it was only on an enhancement or modification of the original design.

I'm assuming that the design and patent that Douglas worked on is CA 2478953 (http://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/e...INVENTOR)&start=1&num=50&type=advanced_search) which was applied for in 2004 and issued in 2009.

 

[Tealgrove]

I have always assumed that he put their bodies in the back of the truck - which adds to the point that it's unlikely that they were killed on the Airdrie property.

I think the prosecutor wants to suggest that because Garland searched methods of torture on the computer, that the victims suffered the torture - making the case more gruesome than it has to be. For that reason, she wants to argue that the victims were alive an well until they reached the Airdrie property, and they were then murdered. I don't believe that.

I think three mortally wounded people were loaded into the back of the truck, covered with sheets, and driven to where they were dismembered and burned.

I go back and forth on this. I always assumed that they were dead when they were taken from the house. Now I'm not entirely sure. I think the computer searches have lead the crown to believe otherwise. I'm also thinking that they would not make these accusations without proof. The forensics might be telling a different story although it's difficult to wrap our heads around it.

To be honest, I'm just going along right now until I see forensics telling the story. Right now, we don't even know who's blood was found where in the house. The forensics have to start talking to figure out what really went down.

 

[otto]

I go back and forth on this. I always assumed that they were dead when they were taken from the house. Now I'm not entirely sure. I think the computer searches have lead the crown to believe otherwise. I'm also thinking that they would not make these accusations without proof. The forensics might be telling a different story although it's difficult to wrap our heads around it.

To be honest, I'm just going along right now until I see forensics telling the story. Right now, we don't even know who's blood was found where in the house. The forensics have to start talking to figure out what really went down.

There has to be evidence that the victims were alive at the Airdrie property, and that torture occurred. Hopefully there is more evidence than a search file on a computer.

 

[otto]

I'm assuming that the design and patent that Douglas worked on is CA 2478953 (http://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/e...INVENTOR)&start=1&num=50&type=advanced_search) which was applied for in 2004 and issued in 2009.

Is that the last application that Liknes made?
There must have been problems with the original patent application if the patent wasn't issued for another 5 years - after Garland worked on the patent.

 

[otto]

I'm assuming that the design and patent that Douglas worked on is CA 2478953 (http://www.ic.gc.ca/opic-cipo/cpd/e...INVENTOR)&start=1&num=50&type=advanced_search) which was applied for in 2004 and issued in 2009.

This is actually significant information as it tells us that Alvin tried to patent the idea, but the patent wasn't issued - meaning there were problems with the application. Liknes needed someone to figure out a solution, and, given that the patent was successfully issued in 2009, the time suggest that Garland figured it out.

2010 notes on the patent: Lapsed 2010-08-24 : "The day at the end of which the patent term expired, pursuant to subsection 46(2) of the Patent Act, for failure to pay maintenance fees (this applies only to patents issued after October 1, 1989)"

 

[Georgeo]

I go back and forth on this. I always assumed that they were dead when they were taken from the house. Now I'm not entirely sure. I think the computer searches have lead the crown to believe otherwise. I'm also thinking that they would not make these accusations without proof. The forensics might be telling a different story although it's difficult to wrap our heads around it.

To be honest, I'm just going along right now until I see forensics telling the story. Right now, we don't even know who's blood was found where in the house. The forensics have to start talking to figure out what really went down.

Way too early to make assumptions as to place victims died. Forensics will tell the true story.

 

[Georgeo]

There has to be evidence that the victims were alive at the Airdrie property, and that torture occurred. Hopefully there is more evidence than a search file on a computer.

Crown hopefully has has proof of torture and all will be revealed at trial. This week ought to be very interesting.

The perp always seems to make crucial errors which are capitalized be LE. Let's hope this is case in this trial!

 

[YYC]

I believe that the forensics have a proof that the victims were still technically alive at the Liknes residence. When they entered the residence they found a few pools of blood, and if I remember correctly they can determine if blood is from a person that is alive. Blood of person that is alive is oxygenated and lighter. Also, if they found some other proof that the victims were alive at the farm it means they were also alive at the moment of the abduction.

 

[Kamille]

DG held a very strong grudge! Feeling wronged manifested itself into a bigger and bigger issue in DG's mind. Depressed and mentally ill, he dwelled on the grudge until it consumed his thoughts and he felt like he hath act on it before the victims moved away....... running out of time. Had to get revenge. His life was a failure and disappointment. Very surprised he isn't pleading the insanity plea. He would have been smarter to do so, but clearly didn't listen to legal advice. This guy was a walking time bomb. Wonder how many others are out there, just like him Scary thought

If Luka Magnotta did not successfully get a not guilty by reason of insanity judgement, there is no way DG would. He is not insane. He knew what he was doing and that it was wrong.

MOO

 

[YYC]

Maybe he originally planned to remove the bodies so that it would seem possible the Ls left town, and the trail would grow cold before foul play was suspected. It did work, for a while, in the early days. If you recall, police were sent to Mexico, presumably to rule out the possibility the Ls were there.

Alternatively - or perhaps a continuation of that same plan - he removed the bodies in a way they might suggest they merely left town SO THAT he may have time to do with them what he liked - sick fantasies, torture, dismemberment - as per his web searches.

I don't know if this was part of his plan, but the fact they had a 3 day estate sale certainly could have provided wonderful cover, if not for the CCTV and quick ID of the truck. How many of us jumped to the possibility that one of the strangers they had through their home was in fact casing the house and planning to return and kidnap them? If that was his plan, it was clever and might have worked. As it is, I suspect the defence may be able to cast doubt on some evidence from the home due to the number of people through it that weekend.
Imo


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I don't believe that the police seriously considered the possibility that the Likneses went to Mexico. There was so much blood in both bedrooms and throughout the house making it obvious that a foul play had taken place. Perhaps they had to rule out that possibility too. Perhaps that was a smoke screen to lull the actual murderer.

 

[Kamille]

I don't believe that the police seriously considered the possibility that the Likneses went to Mexico. There were so much blood in both bedrooms and throughout the house making it obvious that a foul play had taken place. Perhaps they had to rule out that possibility too. Perhaps that was a smoke screen to lull the actual murderer.

Personally it makes me wonder if they did not find the blood of one or the other of the adults?

 

[otto]

I don't believe that the police seriously considered the possibility that the Likneses went to Mexico. There was so much blood in both bedrooms and throughout the house making it obvious that a foul play had taken place. Perhaps they had to rule out that possibility too. Perhaps that was a smoke screen to lull the actual murderer.

I assumed that they went there to find out about the condo - who was on title and where the money came from.

 

[Slebby]

I don't believe that the police seriously considered the possibility that the Likneses went to Mexico. There was so much blood in both bedrooms and throughout the house making it obvious that a foul play had taken place. Perhaps they had to rule out that possibility too. Perhaps that was a smoke screen to lull the actual murderer.

Oh I agree. And I think it's possible they had to go to Mexico to circumvent any defence accusation that they never even investigated that possibility, that the Ls had gone to Mexico. Don't want to give away any reasonable doubt!
There was definitely a lot of blood, I'm sure they were certain at least one person had died there. Only DNA analysis was needed along with other forensics to make that sad pronouncement of a triple homicide.


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[Sprigs]

This is just my theory/ideas: He had big plans/ambition out of high school life but ended up in his 50's living at home with his parents unemployed. Perhaps he let himself believe the pump was that "lotto ticket" that would finally win but then was left out of the patent and simmered about it. It was never successful but it was that final straw in a life that seemed to never go anywhere. When he heard AL and Kl were leaving town - "following their dreams" he decided to act on his vengeful feelings - he was a bitter, lonely, frustrated man. Little NO was unexpected. IMO there is evidence of serious rage/violence at the Lines home - breaking teeth with barbells? That is intense. I think the crown mentioned "searches" on how to kill without emotion - if I had to guess it would be NO who he had no issues/history with he'd was searching about - which would lead me to believe alive when first taken. He's around the same age as KL was - perhaps he secretly fancied her?

I think if mental health were to be a factor the defense or crown would have sent him for a psych assessment when he was first arrested? He's been in jail since arrest and no talk of psych assessment was there?

I think he is watching/studying to see if crown messes up and he can manipulate this - he sees himself as superior.

I'm truly horrified at how much evidence the crown has. All this time with the talk of no bodies I was thinking they were intact in a field or well or reservoir - I was hoping the family would locate them and could lay them to rest. NEVER would have guessed all this and it appears there is worse to hear about in the weeks ahead.

 

[LoisLane]

In this ASF does the mention of the L's bank accounts not being accessed after June 30th mean they were accessed on that day?

"Also on this day, Crown prosecutor Shane Parker reads out an agreed statement of facts. They include the fact that none of the missing three left the country after June 28, 2014; that neither Nathan nor his grandparents were admitted to any hospital from June 30 to July 3, 2014; and that Kathy and Alvin Likneses’ bank accounts weren’t accessed after June 30, 2014."

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/fortney-tampered-deadbolt-at-liknes-home-a-locksmith-worthy-job

Add:
Also interesting in the ASF is that the L's and NO did not leave the country after June 28th.

I'm guessing that DG pressed the issue that they fled to Mexico which may have been reason for investigators to travel there.

 

[YYC]

Sprigs, you mentioned breaking teeth with barbells.
I was thinking if DG intended to incapacitate AL without killing him where he would direct his hits.

Arguably, the most vulnerable point to hit someone and achieve a knockout is the chin and jaw area (no wonder boxing teaches to tuck in the chin and keep your hands up). It’s often called the “button” by many boxers and fighters. The reason is simple anatomy: The chin is a knockout button because it’s a leverage point that causes the most head movement when hit hard enough. Impact travels through the jaw, up the jawbone and to the temples, which creates enough of a sudden impact without any shock absorption as to rattle the brain inside the skull enough for the person being hit to lose consciousness.

 

[deugirtni]

We learned from Allen's testimony that it was DG's sister who fired him.
We also learned that DG assisted with some wiring.
I think the application for the patent was filed before DG began to assist - can anyone confirm when DG started?
The patent application was in 2001.
Just a few things to add to your considerations. It would be nice to know exactly when DG started work and if it was only on an enhancement or modification of the original design.

I don't believe that Patti fired DG, but rather, Allen learned through Patti that Alvin had fired DG. The tweet from Allen's testimony:

Bill Graveland tweets when Allen was testifying (Day 1 of trial):
-"He did get paid," said Liknes for #Garland's work on the pump. He said his wife told him he was fired "He had enough of him at that point."
-He said #Garland was upset that he was let go. He said they had a cordial relationship up until 2010 because Doug was being "unreasonable".

To me, it says, 'Allen said Patti told Allen DG was fired'. It could also be read the other way, because of the poor way it is written.. but it doesn't make sense that someone not connected with Alvin would have been the one to fire him from Alvin's service. moo

Lucie Edwardson tweets of same testimony:
-Allen says relationship changed after Alvin let #Garland go for not helping with a project. "He asked him for help and he didn't help him."
-#Garland was let go by Alvin as contractor for their company when Allen says Doug ignored a call for help from Alvin. #yyc
-Already at this point in 2006-2007 Allen says the pump had become "uneconomical." #Garland #yyc
-Allen says #Garland only worked on the controller aspect of the pump. #yyc
-By November 2007 "he had enough of him at that point" Allen said about Alvin's feelings towards #Garland. #yyc

 

[YYC]

BBM

There was a bloody trail from the upstairs bedrooms, down the stairs, out the side door, and to the front driveway. There are shoe prints in the garage. What would he be mopping up in the kitchen?

f there was no need to send the mop for evidence testing, then it was understood (for unknown reasons) that the mop was not related to the murders.

I don't think he was expecting such a bloody crime scene. Given the bloody scene, he may have erratically mopped up some blood, and not other blood.

This photo of the kitchen shows where the mop was located, it is in the kitchen by the door.

The other picture shows the kitchen layout with 2 yellow tags placed by the investigators. One tag points to the mop while the other points to the kitchen sink.

 

[deugirtni]

We learned from Allen's testimony that it was DG's sister who fired him.
We also learned that DG assisted with some wiring.
I think the application for the patent was filed before DG began to assist - can anyone confirm when DG started?
The patent application was in 2001.
Just a few things to add to your considerations. It would be nice to know exactly when DG started work and if it was only on an enhancement or modification of the original design.

I posted this info previously, which gives links to the patent info and the various times AL applied for patents (there were 4 of them showing up):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...in-and-Kathy-Liknes-1&p=13079388#post13079388

This is the info I found in regard to the 4th patent that AL applied for:

Patent 2676833 Summary
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(12) Patent Application: (11) CA 2676833
(54) English Title: APPARATUS FOR PUMPING FLUIDS FROM A WELL
(54) French Title: APPAREIL POUR LE POMPAGE DE LIQUIDES HORS D'UN PUITS
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(51) International Patent Classification (IPC):

F04B 47/00 (2006.01)
E21B 47/12 (2006.01)

(72) Inventors (Country):

LIKNES, ALVIN (Canada)

(73) Owners (Country):

LIKNES, ALVIN (Canada)

(71) Applicants (Country):

LIKNES, ALVIN (Canada)

(74) Agent: SEABY & ASSOCIATES
(45) Issued:
(22) Filed Date: 2009-08-27
(41) Open to Public Inspection: 2010-03-22
(30) Availability of licence: N/A
(30) Language of filing: English

Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT): No

(30) Application Priority Data:
Application No. Country Date
12/235,002 United States of America 2008-09-22

English Abstract
An apparatus for pumping fluids from a well having a production tubing extending from a wellhead of the well downhole to a downhole location. A pump having a pump barrel connected to a bottom of the production tubing, and a plunger reciprocable within the pump barrel for lifting fluid from the bottom of the well up through the production tubing and to the wellhead as the plunger upstrokes, and for filling the barrel below the plunger as the plunger upstrokes. A sealed housing attached to the wellhead with the production tubing in fluid communication with the interior of the sealed housing.
A cable drum positioned within the interior of the sealed housing. A prime mover operably connected to the cable drum for rotating the cable drum and a cable wound on the cable drum for winding and unwinding by rotating the cable drum. The cable extending downwardly through the production tubing and attached to the plunger.
Controls for operating the prime mover for rotating the cable drum to reciprocate the
plunger within the pump barrel.
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CLAIMS

What is claimed is:

1. An apparatus for pumping fluids from a well, comprising in combination:

a production tubing extending from a wellhead of the well downhole to a downhole location;

a pump having a pump barrel connected to a bottom of said production tubing, and a. plunger reciprocable within said pump barrel for lifting fluid from the bottom of the
well up through said production tubing and to the wellhead as the plunger upstrokes, and
for filling the barrel below the plunger as the plunger upstrokes;

a sealed housing, said sealed housing attached to the wellhead with said production tubing in fluid communication with the interior of said sealed housing;

a cable drum positioned within said interior of said sealed housing;

a prime mover operably connected to said cable drum for rotating said cable drum;

a cable wound on said cable drum for winding and unwinding by rotating said cable drum, said cable extending downwardly through said production tubing and attached to said plunger; and

controls for operating said prime mover for rotating said cable drum to reciprocate said plunger within said pump barrel.

2. The apparatus of claim 1, wherein said prime mover is positioned within said interior of said sealed housing.

3. The apparatus of claim 1, wherein said prime mover is a hydraulic motor.

4. The apparatus of claim 1, further comprising a flowline connected in fluid communication with said interior of said housing for receiving fluid from said production tubing during reciprocation of said plunger.

5. The apparatus of claim 1, wherein said controls include a programmable logic controller programmed for the operation of said prime mover for rotating said cable drum.

6. The apparatus of claim 5, further comprising means to determine the angular position of said cable drum and outputting a signal to said programmable logic controller.

7. The apparatus of claim 5, further comprising means to determine elongation of said cable.

8. The apparatus of claim 1, wherein said production tubing is a continuous, non-segmented length of coiled tubing.

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9. The apparatus of claim 1, further comprising means to determine fluid production from the well.

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[aber]

There are a few things that I think might be confusing people or that people may be reading into too much. Given that no bodies were found I would suspect that the defense will attempt to cause doubt in the minds of the jurors. What that doubt is in regards to may be several things. If the crown stated that all three were killed at the farm, in other words that they were not killed at the house, then I think that opens the door for doubt to be cast in regards to whether he went to the house and broke in with the intention of killing (first degree murder). There is a heavy burden on the crown to prove that someone died without a body. This undoubtedly influences the type of evidence and information that has and will continue to be presented in regards to establishing that all three victims were killed. IMO this is most likely why the jury heard about the bank accounts and passports.

In regards to having a psychological assessment done I would think that it would have had to be done regardless of whether the defense ordered one or not for evidence that could be used by both the defense and crown but maybe someone who knows more about that could comment? If there is a lack of empathy and any type of personality disorder (I don't have evidence of either) that was established prior to this, it would probably also play a role.

I think this article from 2014 may provide some information about his mental issues for some of you who have been asking questions about it:

http://o.canada.com/news/national/b...w-and-mental-health-concerns-documents-reveal

According to what Judge Campbell Miller heard, Garland suffered a breakdown while at the University of Alberta, and “also seems to have been traumatized by causing what he described as a horrific accident due to falling asleep at the wheel.”

Yet some who knew Garland in those days say they never heard of him being involved in such an accident.

[...]

But, Judge Miller wrote in his March 3, 2005 decision, Garland found “he was unable to cope, and he suffered another breakdown in late 1997.”

Christie comments:

Still, it’s an interesting mix of personality characteristics. Garland appears to have a well-honed sense of entitlement: He’s a man, after all, who used a dead teen’s identity to get a job but nonetheless considered filing a wrongful dismissal suit when he was fired, and who, having served time, still had the chutzpah to fight for EI benefits and successfully represented himself in court.

I also find this interesting in combination with his search about killing without emotion. It will be interesting to see how the defense will use all of this information because the lack of empathy or emotion along with narcissistic personality characteristics wouldn't seem to support his inability to cope and the breakdowns he suffered.