Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #22

[Kamille]

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 1m1 minute ago
Morning break is over at Douglas #Garland trial. Testimony to resume with RCMP forensic expert Sgt. Tim Walker.

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 29s30 seconds ago
Walker said he returned to the farm the morning of July 6, 2014 #Garland #yyc

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 11s12 seconds ago
Walker said he returned to the #Garland farm the next day. Next search was a garbage pit - where burn barrel may have been emptied.

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 7s8 seconds ago
Crown asks how Walker went about processing the garbage pit. #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 20s20 seconds ago
2 feet by 8-10 feet high heap, says Walker. "We wanted to dive in" and go to its centre, he says. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 15s15 seconds ago
Walker said they began by skimming the top layer, and then "almost like peeling an onion skin...removing layers as we could" #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 19s19 seconds ago
This was happening the next day, July 6 on #Garland farm. Some of it appeared to be kitchen waste says Walker.

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 9s10 seconds ago
Walker said based on experience from the day b4, they decided to put all evidence to one side and CPS could later decide importance #Garland

 

[Kamille]

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland now35 seconds ago
Sgt. Walker looking at photo. He said there was a ridge of trees up one side - the fire dump pit - other smaller buildings. #Garland

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[Kamille]

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[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 22s23 seconds ago
Walker said found what appeared to be bone and a pair of glasses. "We sifted down to the area where we thought it wasn't recent" #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 25s25 seconds ago
There was also metal zippers, microchips, buttons... "Anything that was out of the normal- that wasn't ash" was put aside. #Garland #yyc

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 53s53 seconds ago
Walker-sifted through ash- “we found some bone. We thought we recovered a tooth” also found glasses-- #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now54 seconds ago
Walker is explaining sifting method: use small shovel, place on sifter, anything big is put to the side. #Garland #yyc

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt now50 seconds ago
"we weren't looking for anything specific" Walker said of sifting through the ashes #Garland

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 19s20 seconds ago
Walker: It was quite warm that July day in '14, put up a tent, worked on pit. "We weren't looking for anything specific" #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 9s10 seconds ago
Walker said the only CPS officer w. them sifting took possession of all the exhibits they found. #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Michael PlattVerified account ‏@SUNMichaelPlatt now17 seconds ago
Police had to bring in mosquito fogger to keep bugs at bay as they went through ash pile in minute detail. #Garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 39s40 seconds ago
Walker: they kept sifting, put anything big to the side.#Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 9s10 seconds ago
Court is seeing close up photos of the pit/ash "This is indicative of what we were looking at in the area," Walker. #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now30 seconds ago
Court sees close up of possible items put aside for examination. Looks to me like a few socks, some metal bits, shoelaces... #Garland #yyc


Michael PlattVerified account ‏@SUNMichaelPlatt now43 seconds ago
Socks, belt buckles, glasses among items shown in photo of items taken from burn debris pile for further examination. #Garland #yyc

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now42 seconds ago
Crown has finished their questioning of S/Sgt. Walker. Defence Jim Lutz will now begin his questioning. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 32s33 seconds ago
Prosecutor Shane Parker done with Walker. #Garland lawyer Jim Lutz to cross-examine him now

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 26s26 seconds ago
Lutz begins by asking Walker about the use of Blue Star and Hemosticks #Garland #yyc

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 5s5 seconds ago
Lutz asks if these are considered "presumptive tests," which Walker confirms. #Garland #yyc

 

[CentralAlberta]

I don't think I knew DG was re-charged with stolen identity - I thought it was just possession of a debit or credit card. Maybe thats the same thing, or maybe I blanked out this detail...
Note this is an old article....

Garland`s criminal history includes drug trafficking and possession of stolen property convictions, after he was caught making amphetamines on his parents' Airdrie acreage in 1992.
After failing to appear at court in 1992 for drug charges, the then 33-year-old Garland disappeared.
A document from the Tax Court of Canada indicates Garland was later discovered living under Matthew Kemper Hartley's stolen identity in Vancouver.
Hartley was a 14-year-old Alberta boy killed in a car crash in 1980.
The same document says Garland suffers from attention deficit disorder and had attended medical school in Alberta for one year before suffering a mental breakdown.
Garland told the court at the time he had been traumatized after causing what he described as a horrific accident after falling asleep behind the wheel.After he was discovered living in Vancouver, Garland returned to Calgary and pleaded guilty to several of the charges in connection to the drug bust and stolen identity, while the others were dropped.

Last year, before being charged with murder, Garland was charged and released on bail for identity theft, again connected to Hartley.

It was days after that he was arrested in a field near his rural Airdrie acreage.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ary-inquiry-begins-in-calgary-today-1.3078348

Since MK was killed in a single vehicle accident, I wonder if DG didn't cause the accident by falling asleep and veering into the oncoming lane. The vehicle MK was in, swerved and rolled, killing both occupants. Maybe DG didn't stay around and later read people were killed and knew he "caused a horrific accident." Was MK's accident before of after DG's statements?

 

[Kamille]

Sorry guys, my computer froze up so I'm rebooting it if anyone else can grab the tweets for a bit. Can't post tweets from my iPad TIA

 

[subwaydreaming]

Regarding whether any of the three were alive on the farm...

Not sure if this has been speculated before, but what if LE found used adult diapers at the farm? Would that prove someone wearing a diaper was alive at the farm? Can DNA testing be performed on human waste?

 

[matou]

Sorry guys, my computer froze up so I'm rebooting it if anyone else can grab the tweets for a bit. Can't post tweets from my iPad TIA

It's lunch break now. Back in an hour and a half.

 

[Kamille]

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 17m17 minutes ago
Other chemicals produce same reaction (glow) when the Blue Star exam is done "oxidizer... can cause what is called a false positive"#Garland

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 17m17 minutes ago
That can include bleach, detergent and some medals that can cause a "false positive". That's why they swab sites to make sure. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 17m17 minutes ago
Walker says this is why they take a swab, so ppl in lab can determine if it actually is blood. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 16m16 minutes ago
"It is a searching chemical, allows us to zero in on certain areas, which we can take for further analysis," Walker. #garland #yyc

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 16m16 minutes ago
Lutz asks about false positives; Walker says they take a swab for further analysis. Cross examine done after couple q's. #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie 12m12 minutes ago
Walker's testimony is now complete. No more questions from crown or defence. #Garland #yyc

Meghan GrantVerified account ‏@CBCMeg 12m12 minutes ago
Lutz is done w/ Walker. Lawyers need to discuss something w/ out jurors present. Break now until 1:30 #Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 12m12 minutes ago
Jury being dismissed early so lawyers can discuss legal issue with Justice David Gates they'll be back at 1:30 pm. #Garland

 

[Kamille]

It's lunch break now. Back in an hour and a half.

Well that was good timing. LOL

 

[dogmatica]

I go back and forth on this. I always assumed that they were dead when they were taken from the house. Now I'm not entirely sure. I think the computer searches have lead the crown to believe otherwise. I'm also thinking that they would not make these accusations without proof. The forensics might be telling a different story although it's difficult to wrap our heads around it.

To be honest, I'm just going along right now until I see forensics telling the story. Right now, we don't even know who's blood was found where in the house. The forensics have to start talking to figure out what really went down.

IMO,the crown would not state that they were killed at the farm unless they had solid evidence to prove just that.

 

[Female]

Do we have anyone from here in the court house? I will be going next week, likely Monday.

 

[olivebpa1]

IMO,the crown would not state that they were killed at the farm unless they had solid evidence to prove just that.

During the Bosma trial the crown alleged Tim Bosma was killed in a field. They presented no direct evidence that proved that. That's just what made sense based on all of the other evidence. So i'm not sure the crown needs direct proof they were alive at the farm. All of the other evidence may lead to that conclusion and it will be up to the jury to decide.

 

[dogmatica]

During the Bosma trial the crown alleged Tim Bosma was killed in a field. They presented no direct evidence that proved that. That's just what made sense based on all of the other evidence. So i'm not sure the crown needs direct proof they were alive at the farm. All of the other evidence may lead to that conclusion and it will be up to the jury to decide.

That's a bit different I think. You may very well be correct, but my gut feel is that they have some sort of evidence to suggest they were alive at some point at that farm. MOO.

 

[olivebpa1]

That's a bit different I think. You may very well be correct, but my gut feel is that they have some sort of evidence to suggest they were alive at some point at that farm. MOO.

I hope they do have evidence. The more evidence the more solid the case. I just remember during the Bosma trial waiting for the evidence that he was shot in the field and then in the end no evidence of this was presented.

 

[ABro]

IMO,the crown would not state that they were killed at the farm unless they had solid evidence to prove just that.

Yep. And the trial's only just begun.

 

[Hatfield]

Since MK was killed in a single vehicle accident, I wonder if DG didn't cause the accident by falling asleep and veering into the oncoming lane. The vehicle MK was in, swerved and rolled, killing both occupants. Maybe DG didn't stay around and later read people were killed and knew he "caused a horrific accident." Was MK's accident before of after DG's statements?

This is a great theory. I have been trying to find some sort of connection where he knew about MKs identity and this makes perfect sense.

I had not seen before now that DG even mentioned causing a horrific accident.

I think this could be very close to what went down. I looked up the timing of when DG was getting into trouble and moving around and I think it does overlap the accident timeframe.