Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #25

[CentralAlberta]

Valerie Fortney ‏@ValFortney 7s7 seconds ago
Mohrbutter: high heat can cause DNA to degrade. Says her lab uses Eliminate to clean DNA, decontaminate; has heard of N-Erase.#Garland

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 1m1 minute ago
There are a variety of products which can remove DNA from surfaces, says Mohrbutter. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 10s10 seconds ago
Mohrbutter explains there are a number of products that can clean/take DNA off of items-crown asks about RNase Erase-she said yes #Garland

[video=twitter;829026858423377920]https://twitter.com/MetroLucie/status/829026858423377920[/video]

The date of March 29, 2015 is odd. Why wouldn't have this been seized in the initial investigation? If it wasn't there then, why would a product such as this be needed after the investigation and who would have bought it and/or used it? Was DG giving orders from prison?

 

[Hatfield]

I think it's very unlikely the defense is slacking in hopes of Garland filing and ineffectual counsel motion. That would mean they're throwing themselves under a bus just to see this guy walk free. That would be illegal and evil. I think they just don't have a whole lot to object to. In Canada you see that sometimes - almost as if the Defense is just going through the motions, making sure everything is done correctly. I'm sure they know their client doesn't really stand a chance.

Thanks. This is my first Canada trial I have followed and it is very interesting about the differences as compared to US trials.

There is a lot I really like about the way Canada does things.
I especially like that the prosecution just presents evidence without personal opinions and let the jury decide what that evidence means to them.

That has been a refreshing change than what I'm used to seeing.

The prosecution and LE has done a fantastic job in this case and IMO I think they convicted him after yesterdays testimony. I don't even need to hear anymore as they have now convinced me that DG is guilty of the murders. His truck and video of 3 bodies on his farm. Thats plenty enough for me at this point.

Of course I will still follow along to make sure I see DG being lead away in handcuffs at the end.

 

[CentralAlberta]

Totally useless question but is anyone else reading her name as "more butter"?

I am now!LOL

 

[Bravo]

Glad your here Hatfield and impressed by the case. Makes me proud to be Canadian.

 

[Bravo]

Point to ponder on break. Anyone else find it crazy when Canada has a case it's so horrific? We don't have as much run of the mill as some other Countries do but man when we have a high profile case it's so heinous. Not meant to open a stats discussion. I think of Pickton, Bernardo, Williams, Rafferty etc. etc.
ETA- forgot Luka guy

 

[musicaljoke]

Okay guys....remember back when this was new...the first few days of July 2014....the news sites were going nuts with videos...pictures....and they focused on the Garland acreage.....

Well....being as I am about saving EVERYTHING....*yes....I am a hoarder!!*....Well....I went looking in my case folder *yes...I have one for every thing I find interesting or follow on the internet.....it could be a true crime story....it could be crochet patterns.....*shrugs*.....

Anyways.......went hunting tonight....cuz so many images were familiar and I had remembered one film clip in particular...from the first days......

July 5th....Global had published an article about the acreage...and the long lines of LE searching side by side....the view from overhead was amazing......

Global made the mistake that day of putting up raw uncut footage that day.....a long video.....then they edited it for the news that night.......

I saw the raw first...and bookmarked as per usual for me.......well....you won't believe it....it's still online!

Found the link....and wow........we focused on those outbuildings back then because....SO DID Global...they follow the LE in their hazmat gear out to those buildings! Anyways.....if anyone is interested.....here is the video link......really good quality....was shocked it was still up there!

http://globalnews.ca/video/1434629/raw-video-police-search-rural-property-north-of-calgary

Is that his green truck we see? If so, the back seems to be loaded down with stuff. If DG stored things in the back of his truck, then I don't think he'd take it through a car wash. jmo

 

[Hatfield]

Glad your here Hatfield and impressed by the case. Makes me proud to be Canadian.

Thanks Bravo and thanks also for your reply to my other question. I remember we had discussions on other WS cases.

This has really been an amazing and fascinating case. It is also of course very sad for the victims and their families. We are extra witnesses to make sure they get justice.

 

[dogmatica]

3 diabolical murders. You betcha.

From what I understand about the Dangerous offender designation - there needs to be more than 1 - several, in fact, separate crimes that need to have been committed. Even though this is 3 murders, in regards to the DO designation - this is only considered 1. So he won't get that designation. That doesn't mean, however, that he'll be out on parole in 25.

 

[Bravo]

Thanks Bravo and thanks also for your reply to my other question. I remember we had discussions on other WS cases.

This has really been an amazing and fascinating case. It is also of course very sad for the victims and their families. We are extra witnesses to make sure they get justice.

Your very welcome. Yes we are witness to Justice in this very sad case. We have shared discussion on other cases and always read your informative, thought provoking posts.

 

[Kamille]

Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 47s47 seconds ago
#Garland back from break. #yyc

Kevin MartinVerified account ‏@KMartinCourts 34s34 seconds ago
To those of you following my #Garland tweets I'll warn you now the evidence upcoming will be graphic.

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 15s15 seconds ago
Mohrbutter-DNA expert- resumes testimony in triple murder trial of Douglas #Garland

 

[JadeSLeuth]

I'm back
Kamille are you okay?

 

[Bravo]

From what I understand about the Dangerous offender designation - there needs to be more than 1 - several, in fact, separate crimes that need to have been committed. Even though this is 3 murders, in regards to the DO designation - this is only considered 1. So he won't get that designation. That doesn't mean, however, that he'll be out on parole in 25.

Agree. You jogged my memory. Bernardo received DO but former Col. Williams did not. I'll see if I can find the explanation. Yet I do agree this killer will never see the light of day.

 

[Kamille]

Lucas MeyerVerified account ‏@meyer_lucas 26s27 seconds ago
As stated yesterday, today's details in #Garland trial could be graphic, so a warning #yyc

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland now45 seconds ago
First exhibit examined was a toothbrush - another is a swab of the bottom of stairs at the Liknes home. #Garland

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt now54 seconds ago
Known samples-toothbrush for Kathy Liknes, Razor for Alvin, and shoes/helmet of Nathan O'Brien sent for DNA comparison to RCMP lab #Garland

Lucie Edwardson ‏@MetroLucie now51 seconds ago
She said they also swabbed the bottom of the stairs at the Liknes home where there was blood, it was sent for DNA testing. #Garland #yyc

 

[MistyWaters]

Is that his green truck we see? If so, the back seems to be loaded down with stuff. If DG stored things in the back of his truck, then I don't think he'd take it through a car wash. jmo

Behind the old machine shed near a topper appears to be an abandoned old wreck that's quite a bit older than the green Ford truck. Maybe that's what you're noticing?

 

[Kamille]

I'm back
Kamille are you okay?

Welcome back :seeya:

Hope JadeJr is okay. You can take over the tweets if you like.

 

[dogmatica]

Agree. You jogged my memory. Bernardo received DO but former Col. Williams did not. I'll see if I can find the explanation. Yet I do agree this killer will never see the light of day.

It used to be called the "habitual offender" designation. If DG is convicted of these murders, he would not be considered a "habitual offender". Same with Army boy.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Nancy HixtVerified account ‏@NancyHixt 24s25 seconds ago
Mohrbutter about to talk about conclusions she made in #Garland case

 

[Bravo]

I will look up the DO info next break

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Bill GravelandVerified account ‏@BillGraveland 36s37 seconds ago
Next section is DNA conclusions. DNA typing profile from the toothbrush for Kathy Liknes was identified for comparison. #Garland

 

[MistyWaters]

Thanks Bravo and thanks also for your reply to my other question. I remember we had discussions on other WS cases.

This has really been an amazing and fascinating case. It is also of course very sad for the victims and their families. We are extra witnesses to make sure they get justice.

One the biggest differences is here in Canada either the Prosecution or the Defence can file appeals.

In the US iirc the State cannot.