Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #28

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  • #81
Though I have been called to serve Jury Duty x4 in my life, I have never done so, as the issues were all resolved before a trial. I have a possibly dumb question. Is there someone in with the sequestered jury members helping to negotiate and make sense of the task before them? I cannot imagine they are all 12 just thrown together to sort it all out amongst themselves. A foreman/mediator, of sorts? How does that work?

A jury of one's peers. They gather for a moment in time, judge the law and return to their fields. It's the greatest constitutional right of all times – the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot.
 
  • #82
Luckily for me(and others!) I don't plan to murder people, but my appetite for crime stories has lead me into some dark murky underwaters. Even my hard drive would look damaging if I ever did turn criminal lol. I've seen things most can't stomach so DGs searches didn't phase me beyond the fact that he wasn't just lurking he was acting upon it.

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Many years ago when music file sharing was still part of the wild west and music companies had not yet clamped down on websites I somehow stumbled into a place while searching for an album.

It scared the crap out of me because it was all so James Bondish. You had to have the direct link and the links were not found on any search engine.

Once there you could pick and choose any song from any artists album and it was all free for the taking. I was so worried about the news threats that the man was going to press charges against anyone that had any downloaded music that I left and never went back.
 
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The only time I'm scared to Google is when I'm at work...try explaining adult diaper fetish and bondage to HR.

I also don't save the images I come across. Once and done is usually good for me! But alas this curious kitty must always search. Which leads to more searching. And suddenly I am into a new crime story immersing myself there. Rinse and repeat. It's addictive.

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The other night I googled autopsy. I wanted to see what he could possibly have on his hard drive. The pics didn't bother me in the least however my SO was horrified. Thinks he has to sleep with 1 eye open from now on. LOL
 
  • #85
With the clock running out before Garland either had to be charged or released — and after emotional pleas from his own elderly mother Doreen and from Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s mother and the Likneses’ daughter, had left him unmoved — Allen pressed a map of the farm on him and begged him to just point to “where the boy is.”

The police were convinced — and the evidence of a violent struggle, including a bloody handprint that may have been Nathan’s, supported their belief — that the three were still alive when they were taken from the house.

As are police the planet over most driven by the plight of children, they were desperate to find them, particularly Nathan, before they succumbed to the injuries that clearly had been inflicted upon them.

With the map in his hands, Postmedia has learned, Garland leaned back in his chair and studied it intently for a couple of long minutes.

Then he said, in effect, “I think I’m getting tired” and asked, as though he knew very well the clock was ticking, “What time is it?”

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...rial-dont-anger-the-psychopaths-in-your-midst
 
  • #86
With the clock running out before Garland either had to be charged or released — and after emotional pleas from his own elderly mother Doreen and from Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s mother and the Likneses’ daughter, had left him unmoved — Allen pressed a map of the farm on him and begged him to just point to “where the boy is.”

The police were convinced — and the evidence of a violent struggle, including a bloody handprint that may have been Nathan’s, supported their belief — that the three were still alive when they were taken from the house.

As are police the planet over most driven by the plight of children, they were desperate to find them, particularly Nathan, before they succumbed to the injuries that clearly had been inflicted upon them.

With the map in his hands, Postmedia has learned, Garland leaned back in his chair and studied it intently for a couple of long minutes.

Then he said, in effect, “I think I’m getting tired” and asked, as though he knew very well the clock was ticking, “What time is it?”

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...rial-dont-anger-the-psychopaths-in-your-midst

Speaks volumes doesn't it?
 
  • #87
The other night I googled autopsy. I wanted to see what he could possibly have on his hard drive. The pics didn't bother me in the least however my SO was horrified. Thinks he has to sleep with 1 eye open from now on. LOL
Haha that's funny! I actually tried to find the exact picture of a restrained (straitjacket) and diapered person DG had on his hard drive. It was quite sexually suggestive. I saw a lot of things but not that exact photo. I was disappointed yet not disturbed. Not sure what that says about me beyond the fact that I'm clearly rather desensitized. Until I relate it back to the victims and it becomes real again :(

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  • #88
Well, Blatchford's new article indicates that the reason why the prosecution alleges they were decapitated, is because they are completely headless in the photos.

Not sure what she means by quasi - sexual with respect to his interest in Kathy.

I personally, would volunteer to string the pri*% up by his balls.

Jmo

Christie Blatchford: Lesson from triple murder trial: don’t anger the psychopaths in your midst

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...rial-dont-anger-the-psychopaths-in-your-midst

Omg I said that out loud 2 minutes ago - are you sitting behind me? I went on to say I doubt he has a pair
 
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"When it was later discovered that he had collected benefits using a false identity he wound up in tax court where a judge described him as intelligent, but said he had attention deficit disorder and suffered from breakdowns."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...l-jury-deliberation-matthew-hartley-1.3968039

Early on I recall Garland was pegged an intelligent. One of the reasons was the story went he successfully sued UIC for benefits. But this story sounds like he got backed in a corner and was forced to defend himself. Far cry from taking a govt agency to court.

Also in the same link above, cheating in med school. High probability he cheated in obtaining his prior degree. Faked a breakdown, then took on a false name to avoid facing charges for illegal manufacturing drugs. Allen referred to him as "sneaky". His whole life was a lie, that's not intelligence!

What a horrible creature.


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  • #91
I'm hanging in here tonight until word Jurors are done for the night or have a verdict. I hope I am here with you all when the verdict comes in. I have an in and out day tomorrow. I find it helps to be here when it comes down. Especially in such a horrific case. A kinship.
 
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Well, Blatchford's new article indicates that the reason why the prosecution alleges they were decapitated, is because they are completely headless in the photos.

Not sure what she means by quasi - sexual with respect to his interest in Kathy.

I personally, would volunteer to string the pri*% up by his balls.

Jmo

Christie Blatchford: Lesson from triple murder trial: don’t anger the psychopaths in your midst

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...rial-dont-anger-the-psychopaths-in-your-midst

More from your link:

"If there must always be a lesson, there’s only one to take out of the just-ended trial of the alleged multiple murderer Douglas Garland and it’s this: Do not inadvertently piss off the quiet psychopaths in your midst."


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  • #93
More from your link:

"If there must always be a lesson, there’s only one to take out of the just-ended trial of the alleged multiple murderer Douglas Garland and it’s this: Do not inadvertently piss off the quiet psychopaths in your midst."


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Wise words
 
  • #94
Given how well the Judge explained all I don't expect too many questions from the Jurors. IMO
 
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I'm hanging in here tonight until word Jurors are done for the night or have a verdict. I hope I am here with you all when the verdict comes in. I have an in and out day tomorrow. I find it helps to be here when it comes down. Especially in such a horrific case. A kinship.

I'm here watching too. The jury should be back from dinner and sitting down together right about .... now.
 
  • #97
He decided they couldn’t wait for the Information to Obtain, as the paperwork to obtain a search warrant is called, and must make a warrantless search of the 40-acre farm.

Treit’s instructions were to search for live people, then get off the property.

But in an outbuilding, amid boxes and equipment all of which looked old, a tactical paramedic with the RCMP spotted a new and out-of-place black gym bag, opened it and looked inside.

He saw a couple of pair of handcuffs, a dagger, a billy club.

He didn’t touch anything, he later testified, but the mere act of looking in the bag, as well as the actions of another officer who at about the same time seized Garland’s shoes before he’d been placed under arrest the first time, gave defence lawyers Kim Ross and Jim Lutz grounds to challenge the later, lawful search warrant for the farm.

The bag peek and shoe grab, the defence lawyers argued, breached Garland’s Charter rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Had they succeeded, much of the wealth of evidence — DNA from blood and burned flesh that put the Likneses and Nathan indisputably at the farm and in such unlikely places as a meat cutter and meat hooks – would have been ruled inadmissible.

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/fu...rial-dont-anger-the-psychopaths-in-your-midst

So DG's lawyers did argue the search of the farm. I wonder if that will come up again in an appeal? How would this case have been different if they couldn't use the materials found at the farm? They'd have the Liknes home with no DNA from DG, the videos showing what appears to be his truck in the area going back and forth with no white tarp and then with white tarp and they'd have the aerial photo. Would that have been enough? Although the green truck was not at the farm at the time so perhaps that would also be included? :waitasec:
 
  • #98
Wow. I believe this is another slight difference from US trial.

In US the extra juror in some states are still held in case there becomes a jury member that gets sick or something and cannot continue in middle of deliberations. What the judge does then is use the extra juror and instruct the jury to start deliberations over from beginning.

I believe AZ is like that if I am not mistaken.

Isn't that what happened with Scott Peterson (Laci) when the jury foreman got lost in the details?
 
  • #99
I was elected class president.. shade of Russell Williams. Rats.
 
  • #100
I'm sat in bed, in the middle(ish) of the UK, it's 1.45 a.m.

When I first heard the name Nathan O'brien, my son was 5 too, my son loved Superheroes and cuddles and going to play on the swings.

Now my son is 8. He's sleeping next to me as I tap at my phone screen. I'm not convinced that the 3 sneezes earlier tonight do mean he's ill and 'has' to sleep in my bed in case he needs me ... but I let him.

I'll take every snuggle, every kiss, every hand hold, every everything and i'll treasure it just that little bit more because somewhere across the other side of the world, Jen O'brien would give anything to be able to hold her boy and she can't.

This trial has been a long time coming. Canada, I don't know if you're patient or just slow! I've been impressed with your Judge, he comes accross as a very genuine man and I feel like he's steered this ship well ...

I dont know if I'll be able to keep my dry eyes open til 9pm/4am but, if not I hope to wake up to news that Douglas Garland has been found guilty on all 3 counts of 1st degree murder.
 
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