Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #5

[Cherchri]

Ok so I found the original tweet by Mehan Grant of CBC. I think this is a really big deal. If this card belongs to one of the missing L family members many of our questions would be answered:
Meghan Grant @cbcmeg
Douglas Garland to face new charge Wed for unlawfully possessing a bank card. Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge #cbc

 

[wendiesan]

I'd like to know just how tight DG is with any of the biker gangs in Southern Alberta.
How likely is it that he owed someone money and, when he didn't have it, he said he knew someone who had lots of money, and who owed him money anyway.
And that when he left his friend/s at 38 A St., he drove around so he wouldn't have to watch what he knew would happen.
Total speculation on my part given DG's past professional and prison associates.

 

[kdgdid]

Thank you for clearing that up ... crazy to have someone with the same name so close!

There is also another DG in Red Deer

 

[Stirner]

I don't understand why Calgary police are now saying they're "hopeful that the missing persons are still alive" while they poke around in the weeds. Are they expecting to stumble upon NO and his grandparents having a picnic in the middle of an overgrown field? It's one thing for the parents of NO to keep hope alive, but usually LE admits that when people are missing for this long they are likely dead. I think it's somewhat irresponsible of Calgary police to be saying this. It reminds me of the missing malaysian airplane, where the relatives insist their family members are still alive somewhere months later just because no wreckage has been found. Calgary police have already admitted something violent appears to have happened at the home and yet they are sticking with this claim that (paraphrasing) 'until we have evidence that they're dead we consider them to still be alive'. Maybe this is to keep the amber alert going, I don't know, but it seems very strange and not typical protocol under these kinds of circumstances...

 

[Cherchri]

http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/bl...athan-obrien-charged-with-possessing-false-id

The charge is one of false ID, not stolen property.

I have now posted the tweet which very specifically says stolen bank card.

 

[Sillybilly]

The old Ford F150 is only rather 'unique' in that it is so old, but yet in very good condition, .. it is the old type before the newer 'rounded' bodies came out. The color is also not so common for that truck, imho. There are likely others around I'm sure, but perhaps not necessarily in that province at that time, in that condition, with those markings. To find such a truck as in the pictures so quickly and nearby too, is quite a bonus, imho.

All the above and toss in that its owner just happens to have a connection to the missing family.

 

[Sillybilly]

Ok so I found the original tweet by Mehan Grant of CBC. I think this is a really big deal. If this card belongs to one of the missing L family members many of our questions would be answered:
Meghan Grant @cbcmeg
Douglas Garland to face new charge Wed for unlawfully possessing a bank card. Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge #cbc

The tweet says "Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge"

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I don't understand why Calgary police are now saying they're "hopeful that the missing persons are still alive" while they poke around in the weeds. Are they expecting to stumble upon NO and his grandparents having a picnic in the middle of an overgrown field? It's one thing for the parents of NO to keep hope alive, but usually LE admits that when people are missing for this long they are likely dead. I think it's somewhat irresponsible of Calgary police to be saying this. It reminds me of the missing malaysian airplane, where the relatives insist their family members are still alive somewhere months later just because no wreckage has been found. Calgary police have already admitted something violent appears to have happened at the home and yet they are sticking with this claim that (paraphrasing) 'until we have evidence that they're dead we consider them to still be alive'. Maybe this is to keep the amber alert going, I don't know, but it seems very strange and not typical protocol under these kinds of circumstances...

Hate to say it but I agree. I keep wondering, maybe they have good reason to believe there's a very good chance that they're still alive.............but then I think about the fact that they've had a well-known (Sully) cadaver dog on the rural property a couple of days ago. And if LE does genuinely believe there's chance they're still alive, how do they expect to find them in a pond or a field? I get totally where you're coming from.

 

[Sillybilly]

I found the same document....I also found a document linking a Garland family to a gas provider for a dispute and wondered if there could be any connection and or catalyst for revenge and or attack....

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/do...0.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHZ2FybGFuZAAAAAAB

Sorry repsonse to #327

Abstar, that is an Ontario case related to a G surname in Ontario and no mention of Alberta at all.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hate to say it but I agree. I keep wondering, maybe they have good reason to believe there's a very good chance that they're still alive.............but then I think about the fact that they've had a well-known (Sully) cadaver dog on the rural property a couple of days ago. And if LE does genuinely believe there's chance they're still alive, how do they expect to find them in a pond or a field? I get totally where you're coming from.

I don't think we can conclude that all 3 missing are deceased. Even if AL and KL were deceased and there is still a chance that Nathan is alive, thus the Amber Alert remains in effect.

If only one of the 3 was injured and subsequently died, LE/HRD dogs could be looking/finding body parts of only that one victim while the other victims remain alive.

What we think/feel based on the limited facts we are privy to could be totally different from facts that are known to LE.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Ok so I found the original tweet by Mehan Grant of CBC. I think this is a really big deal. If this card belongs to one of the missing L family members many of our questions would be answered:
Meghan Grant @cbcmeg
Douglas Garland to face new charge Wed for unlawfully possessing a bank card. Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge #cbc

"Court records show an additional offence of possessing a TD bank card obtained by a criminal act has been added to the allegation of identity theft Garland now faces.

The charge is from the same date, last Friday, as the allegation he faces involving having identity information in the name of Matthew Hartley."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...sing-family-case-to-face-new-unrelated-charge

 

[ztzt]

According to this article---not sure how accurate it is---the head-on crash killing Matthew Hartley happened on October 28 (a Tuesday), 1980 (not 29th):

"Hartley, then 14, died in a head-on crash near Cardston, Alta. on Oct. 28, 1980, in a collision that also killed his younger sister Jill."

If so, then neither he nor his sister died on the scene, but 1 (sister) and 2 (him) days later, respectively.

 

[Stirner]

I don't think we can conclude that all 3 missing are deceased. Even if AL and KL were deceased and there is still a chance that Nathan is alive, thus the Amber Alert remains in effect.

True, but that's not what LE are saying. They're saying they're hopeful that everyone is alive, and yet they are acting as if they think somebody is dead. Their words simply don't match their actions. And they are responsible for that incongruity. They are in control of what they say and what they do, and if they don't want us to be privy to certain information that's fine, but is there a need to present such blatant contradictions?

 

[deugirtni]

Something has been nagging at me since I first heard about this case and I have to let it out because from what I have seen, nobody else has paid any attention to it or perhaps not noticed.. or perhaps it is just that I'm reading too much in. I don't want to even THINK like this because if it were my child in this situation, I would be devastated, and the last thing I would want to do is to cast even the slightest shadow onto the poor parents. When I watched the video of the parents' plea for the return of their son (I watched it here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/missin...-emotional-plea-for-their-superhero-1.1895317), I couldn't help noticing several things:

1. the seeming lack of emotion from the mother (as another poster has already noticed and mentioned here in this thread); meanwhile, the father can't hold back his tears. This seemingly emotionless mother was even more striking to me BECAUSE her husband was losing it, for example, when I am around someone, or see someone, or hear someone who is crying, it makes me also cry, and that can be even a total stranger, let alone my own husband, ie, even if I was less emotional that I am, how can it not bring a wife/mother to lose it when she sees her husband losing it, the husband who is likely normally strong? And even more than that, the dad's eyes are red from crying, and meanwhile, mom's are not,.. so ???? I agree with the poster who responded to the other enquiry over the lack of emotion, that when your husband falls apart, it is left to the wife to be the strong one, but even so, in *this* situation, and in front of all these people, I just can't jive her lack of emotion with the situation.
2. the seeming lack of comforting going on from the dad to the mom. The mom is all over the dad, hugging, patting, kissing, holding, but yet... there is little of the same seen from husband toward his wife. Why???? She has lost both her son AND her mother??
3. a previous poster posted a link to a Globe & Mail newspaper article (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ing-calgary-boy-grandparents/article19449772/) in which a person who attended the Licknes sale said that Nathan was not seen there ("She did not see Nathan at the sale, although family members said he was there, .... "). Of course this means nothing, but my little ears perked up when I read this because.... what if the boy was missing before the sale was even over? Did anyone see him at the sale? Apparently he was at the park? One article I read somewhere said he was there with the grandfather, another post said grandfather (AL) was watching him through a garage or something??
4. at the news conference... God bless the poor father of Nathan as he holds onto a paper butterfly his son had made. Meanwhile, mom is holding a....... brand new shirt that she just newly purchased to give to her son on Monday morning when she picked him up? She is holding this tshirt during the press conference which was held on which day??? Yes.. two whole days later, on Wednesday?? A tshirt with the scent of 'newly-made-in-China' smell?? Wouldn't you be instead holding on for dear life to an item of clothing, a teddy bear, a blanket, SOMETHING that actually had the scent of her precious missing child on it? Just weird imho.
5. and the final real kicker that has really really been picking at me for days...... in the press conference.. at the link I posted above which is the one I watched.. at approximately 07:24 into the recording (it is in total 11:56 minutes), the mother says, "Nathan was the most loving human being and throughout that whole sale......... "... the keyword being "WAS" !! This is just bothering me to pieces. Of ALL people, wouldn't she be the one with the MOST hope that Nathan still "IS", and not "WAS"???

Finally, I did read back quite a bit and so forgive me if I am duplicating anything. I found out here (had not seen this bankruptcy stuff anywhere else yet!) about the bankruptcy issues with the dad, grandmother and grandfather's business. This, to me, sheds a new potential light onto things. I read an article that said the employees were let go just on June 25th, which is what? Only 4 days prior to these people going missing? That is one huge coincidence! In a business bankruptcy, if it is incorporated, and if AL set things up so that his own personal assets would not be affected, that could cause HUGE bad feelings with contractors to which the company may have owed a lot of money to. In his line of business, I'm not sure what kind of contractors he would have been using, but just because it is a business that went bankrupt doesn't mean that some real people were not financially crushed by it. The county seized the company's equipment because it was owed $800,000 in property taxes, penalties and interest, but there could have been much more money owed to all kinds of other entities and people. And if one of those people saw that they were having a 'moving sale', and planned to get out of town, it may not have gone over too well? I hope LE is following up on THAT tidbit.

 

[deugirtni]

Ok so I found the original tweet by Mehan Grant of CBC. I think this is a really big deal. If this card belongs to one of the missing L family members many of our questions would be answered:
Meghan Grant @cbcmeg
Douglas Garland to face new charge Wed for unlawfully possessing a bank card. Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge #cbc

If that were the case, then wouldn't that be grounds enough to detain him and arrest him as a suspect and keep him for questioning for longer than the 24 hours? (I realize he remains in custody, but not in relation to *this* case).

 

[ztzt]

I think a smart killer would not bury victims near where he lives. More likely he would drive far away to dispose the remains so that they will never be found, or, if found, would not be thought to be associated with him. The McStay family is just one example. So it's important to know whether/where DG traveled on June 30 and the 2 following days (he had plenty of time before LE came to his house).

 

[Cherchri]

The tweet says "Unrelated to #AmberAlert - related to stolen ID charge"

Indeed SillyBilly. He is not appearing on charges related to the Amber Alert. In addition to stolen ID this reporter highlighted the bank card - just a few hours ago.

 

[Cherchri]

If that were the case, then wouldn't that be grounds enough to detain him and arrest him as a suspect and keep him for questioning for longer than the 24 hours? (I realize he remains in custody, but not in relation to *this* case).

Quite possibly yes. This was tweeted about 4 hours ago so I am thinking it is rather meaningful. I could be wrong but if he is in possession of a stolen card then I make the leap to could it be AL or KL's card and if so that is enough to detain him until they uncover further evidence.

 

[cathdawg]

Sometimes one can over think, we now know that DG is a POI. There is a Family of 3 missing which as it turns out that are all tied together through relationships , family , business and more...

Initially I thought this Family fell as victims to random idiots (perhaps on drugs) who prey upon Folks having Garage/Estate sales etc...

In my mind even more horrific is that this is a crime that a lot of F
olks within the Family dynamics most likely know more than they are stating at this time and as time passes by...it is what it it is.

If the POI is involved he has a past of being known as cleaver individual, heck he had a meth/lsd lab before it was "fashionable"....Represented himself in Court against the Gov't and won...JMO

 

[deugirtni]

All the above and toss in that its owner just happens to have a connection to the missing family.

Yes, a previous poster was mentioning about the lack of responses other than *this* particular F150, and I was just saying they aren't all that common.. but yes, how coincidental can something be?? His sister just happens to be shacked up with missing Grampa's son? He was previously involved in business or employed by Grampa and they haven't had contact since? AND he is already known to be a player on the shady side? How lucky can LE get? No wonder they're keeping at it even though they haven't yet found anything. The tie-in may just not necessarily be what they are expecting it to be. Hope they are keeping open minds.