GUILTY Canada - Amber Kirwan, 19, New Glasgow, NS, 9 Oct 2011 - #1

[cocomod]

Where are you Amber? It is difficult to be patient when a person is missing.

 

[elepher50]

Const. Ken MacDonald of the New Glasgow Police Service said police will have their briefings today to determine their next course of action, but he doesn't know if any new searches will be planned for today.

http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-24/article-2784601/Cops-in-car-saw-nothing/1

 

[Hazel]

Owner of Big Al's says Kirwan doesn't appear on video

CTV Atlantic

Date: Monday Oct. 24, 2011 4:28 PM ET

CTV News spoke with storeowner Al Sutherland on Monday and he says there are three video cameras outside the store, located just a little over 200 metres from Dooly's.

He says his store closed at 11 p.m. the night Kirwan disappeared, but the cameras were still rolling.

However, Kirwan doesn't appear on any of the videos from that night.

"The only thing we've seen on the camera is the boyfriend's car where he was in our parking lot," says Sutherland.

"He was here for approximately one minute and forty seconds. And then he left."

"There was no sign of her at all on the camera. None whatsoever."

 

[redsky]

one minutes and forty second?!!?! that's all he waited???

 

[weebleswobble]

one minutes and forty second?!!?! that's all he waited???

I wish they would of told us what time he was there! That could explain if he happen to pull out to meet her down the road a bit. Amber never appears on this camera.

Sure wish they would find Amber or get some answers for her family, who btw have yet to make a statement. :banghead:

 

[Hazel]

one minutes and forty second?!!?! that's all he waited???

I feel that there is a reason for releasing just bits and pieces of information at a time.

MC waited only 1 minute and 40 seconds

1) Is he that impatient?
2) Did he send the text (or was it a phone call?) while at Al's parking lot?
3) With 3 cameras, I'll assume one of them would show which way he was coming from, and might also show if he made a U-turn and went back the same way or not.
4) They are not telling us what time he arrived at Al's, but I'm sure LE knows.
5) Did he see the LE cruiser parked on the corner of Archimedes/George St. or
6) Did he see the LE cruiser coming his way on Archimedes?
7) Did he turn back and went directly home or
8) Did he turn right on Fraser Street?

I could go on and on with more questions, but I am starting to get a clearer picture of what happened, so will just wait for more info released.

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/24/ns-amber-kirwan-new-tips.html

CBC News Posted: Oct 24, 2011 4:06 PM AT
Last Updated: Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM AT

The search for Amber Kirwan in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia continued Monday.

 

[~n/t~]

I thought he had a suspended license and that's why he couldn't drive that night?

I'm terrible at analyzing maps. Was Amber walking towards Al's in the video? Could he have spotted her from Al's?

I thought Amber didn't have her cell phone. How would he have called her?

 

[Hazel]

1) I thought he had a suspended license and that's why he couldn't drive that night?

2) I'm terrible at analyzing maps. Was Amber walking towards Al's in the video? Could he have spotted her from Al's?

3) I thought Amber didn't have her cell phone. How would he have called her?

3) Amber didn't have her cellphone with her that night...many versions as to why she left it home...she used one of her friend's cellphone to contact MC to arrange for him to pick her up. He called back (or texted?) the number Amber had called him from, which apparently was her friend Maggie according to FB (not confirmed by LE though). All this info can be found in the earlier news articles, and everything is here in this thread.

1) MC was driving with a suspended license, and also no insurance. He wanted to avoid the downtown area knowing that police at that time of night will be patrolling that area of Dooly's....that's why they agreed on meeting at Al's. However, even after Amber was reported missing, and having told LE about his suspended license/non-insurance, and also admitting to that on camera, he continued driving...go figure!

2) Yes, Amber is walking towards Al's in the video. Here again is the map, showing Dooly's and Al's. The photo I posted above showing the Wall of Candles, is the area where we last see Amber in the video.

MAP ( A: Dooly's ; B: Al's convenience store )

Distance: 4 minutes walk according to Google map. Less, according to locals.

Big Al's street view: http://g.co/maps/vcyhf

Dooly's street view: http://g.co/maps/x9uvw


ETA: This other link will also help you get familiar with the area. Just use the 'arrows' in the Google map, and do a 'virtual walk-around.'
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7267740&postcount=236


ETA2: Here is another post containing a map link, that I'm sure will help you a lot identifying the area, because you can see what is now the "Wall of Candles" when it was under construction....in most Google maps, the wall doesn't appear yet.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7263933&postcount=213

hope this helps

 

[elepher50]

One minute and forty seconds .... one minute and forty seconds = the amount of time he waited for Amber. And Amber wasn't seen on Big Al's video at all.

Oh my ... just oh my. A four minute walk from Dooly's to Big Al's and Amber did not make it onto the video at Big Al's.

Amber must have been picked up shortly after the video stops (the video that was released from Dooly's).

MOO is that this is not just a case of a missing person who is missing of their own choosing.

 

[Wondergirl]

Here it is in writing:

In an interview with CTV News, he acknowledged there were rumours circulating in the community that he may have had a hand in her disappearance.

"That's the last thing I want to hear going around. That doesn't help any bit of this situation," he said.

"You know, I loved her with all my heart. I was going to spend the rest of my life with her. When she is turned up, I will spend every single day of my life with her."

http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111024/big_als_111024/20111024/?hub=AtlanticHome

 

[Wondergirl]

So, this new information regarding the Big Al video could really be extremely telling.

If, big if, after syncing the Dooly's video time and the Big Al's video time, the Big Al's video time indicates MC was there for 1 minute 40 seconds, at say, 1:35 am, and shows his vehicle heading towards Dooly's (upon leaving Big Al's), it seems to me, if I am intrepreting Hazel's maps properly, that it is possible that MC picked up Amber once he visually seen her, and she got in the car, in the approximate location of where the "black object" was found.

Possible or way off?

 

[Hazel]

So, this new information regarding the Big Al video could really be extremely telling.

If, big if, after syncing the Dooly's video time and the Big Al's video time, the Big Al's video time indicates MC was there for 1 minute 40 seconds, at say, 1:35 am, and shows his vehicle heading towards Dooly's, it seems to me, if I am intrepreting Hazel's maps properly, that it is possible that MC picked up Amber once he visually seen her, and she got in the car, in the approximate location of where the "black object" was found.

Possible or way off?

hmmm, keep in mind Archimedes is now a one-way street, so you cannot head towards Dooly's that way.

I was thinking right on Fraser St., right on Alexander St., down on George Street, right on Archimedes.

Easier to show in a MAP: http://g.co/maps/g85a9

(Dooly's would be in the corner, right besides where it says "Rogers")

C: location where Amber could potentially have been picked up

A: Al's

 

[Wondergirl]

hmmm, keep in mind Archimedes is now a one-way street, so you cannot head towards Dooly's that way.

I was thinking right on Fraser St., down on Alexander St., right on George Street, right on Archimedes.

Easier to show in a MAP: http://g.co/maps/y8u5s

Thanks, Hazel.

So, "C" on your map denotes the location of the found "black object", correct?

Also, in speculation, if a person was illegally driving their vehicle, possibly drunk, possibly angry, it would be hypothetically possible that they would also drive their vehicle the wrong way down a one-way street. Just tossing it out there. :innocent:

 

[Wondergirl]

Also, Hazel, maybe I have this all wrong, please correct me if I do, but, isn't it possible that MC left Big Al's after 1 minute 40 seconds, drove down Provost to the intersection of Archimedes (at "C" on the map) picked Amber up, and did a u-turn to continue back up Provost?

 

[elepher50]

MOO is that any combination of driving the streets that night would be possible by MC. He was driving w/o a license, w/o insurance so clearly there is a disregard for the laws that regular law abiding citizens adhere to.

Would MC drive the wrong way on a one way street - sure IMO he would does as he does not respect the laws or else he figures he would not be taken to task for it due to possible connections.

 

[Hazel]

Also, Hazel, maybe I have this all wrong, please correct me if I do, but, isn't it possible that MC left Big Al's after 1 minute 40 seconds, drove down Provost to the intersection of Archimedes (at "C" on the map) picked Amber up, and did a u-turn to continue back up Provost?

hypothetically speaking, yes totally possible a car can go down on Provost, then turn left on George St. and left again on Archimedes. That would appear on the Dooly's video: a car coming up on George St. turning left on Archimedes, but that is not what we have been shown in the video.

Tried to show it in a map, but it is not letting me turn left on George....at the time Google was in that area, George Street was a 2-way street....my understanding is, it is now a one-way street from the bridge up to that intersection.
Any locals please confirm
This is the best I could do, just imagine a left turn on George Street : http://g.co/maps/f68tu

Actually, what this one map shows, is probably similar to the route the police cruiser we see in the video, going in circles from B to C, all JMHO.

 

[Hazel]

MOO is that any combination of driving the streets that night would be possible by MC. He was driving w/o a license, w/o insurance so clearly there is a disregard for the laws that regular law abiding citizens adhere to.

Would MC drive the wrong way on a one way street - sure IMO he would does as he does not respect the laws or else he figures he would not be taken to task for it due to possible connections.

My apologies, but I don't see the need to drive the wrong way on Archimedes, specially now that we know that the police cruise was circling that route.

Plenty of other options in my opinion. Just to through another option there, how about pulling out of Al's parking lot, going down on Provost just to where it intersects with Archimedes ( the 'Y' area ) .... there is a parking lot there to the right, where anyone can park and wait, much closer than Al's.

Or just do a U-turn and wait past where the Stop sign used to be.

It all comes down to what the three surveillance videos from Al's shows, JMHO.

 

[Snoopster]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/24/ns-amber-kirwan-new-tips.html

Police said the security video of Kirwan leaving the New Glasgow Dooly's just after 1:30 a.m. on Oct. 9, which they released Friday, has resulted in a few new tips from the public

To be honest, this doesn't sound all that positive.

 

[Hazel]

We can now scratch off the theory that Amber could have continue walking on Provost, past Big Al's. As shown in the still image, Al's camera covers the whole street, and Amber would have been seen on that sidewalk at some point.

The second image shows that she was wearing both shoes while talking on the cellphone.

http://atlantic.ctv.ca/?video=555382