GUILTY Canada - Amber Kirwan, 19, New Glasgow, NS, 9 Oct 2011 - #2

  • #781
That is how I felt before this trial began. But now I find myself questioning if he really did do this.
Before the trial started, I was where you are now. It's very interesting how we have switched positions.


Should he be guilty of 1st degree murder if he kidnapped her for others?
I now believe that he was much more involved than just with the kidnapping. He had her blood all over his shirt, for starters; he took her to his sister's camper; there was evidence that Amber was drugged in that camper; a scrap of Amber's torn clothing was found there; duct tape that had been peeled from her hands with the stamp from Dooly's clearly showing was found; Amber's hairs were on the headboard.

If you kidnapped someone for someone, do you think you would take them to your sister's residence?


Should he be guilty of 1st degree murder if he helped someone after the fact?
I believe the evidence has proven it was more than 'after the fact.'

If he kidnapped her; drugged her; was present for her murder, was involved enough to have her blood on his clothing; yes.

Two people can simultaneously murder one person; although, I'm not seeing any evidence that that is what happened here.


What about if he actually was set up? What then?
Then he should speak up! No?


Yes I think he should be incarcerated. Should not have been let out. But from what I have seen I am not convinced he did this. Not yet anyway. More than willing to change my mind on that though. In fact I HOPE my mind gets changed!
BBM - I agree with that.

However, I would never want to see anyone convicted of a crime he/she did not commit. To charge and convict the wrong person is no justice at all.

As I said above, I was worried about that at the beginning; but I believe in the Crown's case now.

I think they did a good job.

Unless it all falls apart in the next few days--but I doubt it.
 
  • #782
This may help: http://www.novascotia.ca/just/regulations/regs/prescmon.htm

Perhaps Ms. Dean falls under this legislation, I wonder where she works....?
Thank you so much for this.

All I can remember hearing about her, was that Falconer's car was parked in her yard the day law enforcement towed it.

I'm surprised, to tell you the truth.
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I wonder if this is where he got his endless supply of codeine, though? (And maybe other things for personal use, and or resale?)

Do you think she is going to testify for the defence?

The Crown will get to cross. :)
 
  • #783
I went back through old articles to find the following quote because I remembered reading it, and it bothered me.

This was at 9:23 am on October 9, 2011. Amber had been missing for a little less that 8 hours at this point.

And this was his mindset.

This, imo, is disgusting and derogatory.

Consider that Amber may have been raped--unidentified semen found in two places.

Imagine what was really in his mind as he texted to his "girlfriend."

He finally responded to her text at 9:23 a.m. on October 9, 2011 saying, “Hay Babe” and going on about finding a toy to play with and how she must have been bored.
http://www.pictouadvocate.com/2014/01/17/falconers-girlfriends-give-intimate-testimony/
 
  • #784
I went back through old articles to find the following quote because I remembered reading it, and it bothered me.

This was at 9:23 am on October 9, 2011. Amber had been missing for a little less that 8 hours at this point.

And this was his mindset.

This, imo, is disgusting and derogatory.

Consider that Amber may have been raped--unidentified semen found in two places.

Imagine what was really in his mind as he texted to his "girlfriend."

Sooooo sick :banghead: Thanks for all your updates :seeya:
 
  • #785
Truth. Here is how I see it.

The evidence proves that:

Amber was held in that camper
A shirt belonging to CF had ambers blood on it and was found in CF's car
CF has a period of about 10 hours that are unaccounted for.
CF clearly has some sort of knowledge about what happened to Amber.

Now let's look at what they don't have:

No motive
No murder weapon
No confession
No witnesses of a crime
No witnesses that can place CF and AK together at any point
NO CRIME SCENE!! (They don't seem to know what happened OR where it happened including BOTH the murder and kidnapping)
No physical evidence whatsoever(DNA,fingerprints) of CF on Ambers body
No physical evidence whatsoever of CF being at camper
No physical evidence of CF being at burial site.

They just don't seem to know what happened.... At all...

But they do have a whole bunch of "unknown" DNA, an unsecured car where as Mike Taylor put it "a bag with CFs shirt with blood on it was neatly placed in the back seat, an unsecured camper where Amber was likely held.
There is a big piece of the puzzle missing, actually a few big pieces. All I am saying is that if I was on the jury with the info I have (albeit mostly from tweets and media articles) I could not with good conscience find him guilty. But on he other hand if I was on the jury and therefore a resident of the county would I want to live with the backlash of setting this man who has been labelled a psychotic monster free?

It's not over yet though. Maybe there is more to come.
 
  • #786
Truth. Here is how I see it.
Thank you for responding. I was hoping you would put something together so that I could see more about where you were coming from.


The evidence proves that:

Amber was held in that camper
Good, we both agree on that.


A shirt belonging to CF had ambers blood on it and was found in CF's car
Agreed.


CF has a period of about 10 hours that are unaccounted for.
I might lessen this down a bit, because he did text one of his women that he was at his father's place around 5 in the morning; but I agree that he has unaccounted hours.


CF clearly has some sort of knowledge about what happened to Amber.
Agreed, here, too; although I suspect I would give his knowledge about what happened to Amber a higher rating on a scale than you would.


Now let's look at what they don't have:

No motive
Although the Crown doesn't have to prove motive, I will concede this as I feel that it is a point for the defence when they can't. The striking resemblance between Amber and one of his girlfriends, gives me pause, though. Maybe no-one on the jury caught that, or maybe they did.


No murder weapon
Again, not necessary; but not having one is not a point that particularly favours of the Crown.


No confession
Agreed, even though we heard he thought about confessing, it didn't happen. And most people do not confess to their atrocious crimes.


No witnesses of a crime
True; but thin, because even people with low IQ's have enough sense not to do what he is accused of doing in front of witnesses. Amber died a violent death. She tried so hard to defend herself that he split one of her fingers in two. That also shows his force--which his size matches.


No witnesses that can place CF and AK together at any point
True. The Crown has stated that they did not know each other. This was a stranger abduction; so the fact that they were never seen together would work for the prosecution, here, I think.

The video shows Amber leaving alone.


NO CRIME SCENE!! (They don't seem to know what happened OR where it happened including BOTH the murder and kidnapping)
Regarding the kidnapping, with the video as evidence, we can see her walking out of the range of the surveillance camera at Dooly's. She was never picked up on the surveillance camera at Big Al's. There is a very small window of opportunity there where he could have grabbed her. Again, his familiarity with the area would circumstantially suggest that he would have knowledge of this.

Something evil happened inside that camper. There is evidence of violence there. Amber's ripped clothing; Amber's DNA on duct tape; Amber's hairs on the head board. Drugs in a water bottle.

That's not evidence of a day at the playground.


No physical evidence whatsoever(DNA,fingerprints) of CF on Ambers body
The medical examiner believed her body had been in the wet clay for a period of three days to two weeks, or possibly longer, iirc. Decomposition starts immediately. Evidence is destroyed. It's no-ones fault except the murderer's, of course; but it's common to see this sort of lack of evidence on a victim that has been buried.

Two interesting connections for me, though circumstantial, are: 1) the location of the body--near Falconer's father's home and near his step-sister's home.

And 2) Amber's feather earrings hanging in a tree--just like her shoe found in a bush near the residence of one of Falconer's endless girlfriend's.


No physical evidence whatsoever of CF being at camper
Yes; however they did find a box of latex gloves in the trunk of his car. Plus the time existed for him to wipe down any surfaces in the camper.


No physical evidence of CF being at burial site.
Other than his 'trophy' display of the earrings, and other points I have touched on above; I have to agree with this.


They just don't seem to know what happened.... At all...
Now, I disagree with this quite a bit. We know Amber was abducted and hideously murdered. We know she was held captive for some period of time. We know she was bound, drugged and stabbed repeatedly. We may conclude from her nakedness and the unidentifiable semen that she was most likely raped.

How much more do we get in any murder case?


But they do have a whole bunch of "unknown" DNA,
They have some unknown DNA, yes; but it is fairly common for unknown DNA to appear at trials. I see it in almost every trial I watch, and I'm referring to real live streamed trials; not TV shows.


an unsecured car where as Mike Taylor put it "a bag with CFs shirt with blood on it was neatly placed in the back seat,
But they do have a witness that places Falconer retrieving that bag from his father's garage and placing it in his vehicle. This right after he had seen the first presence of law enforcement.


an unsecured camper where Amber was likely held.
True enough. Quite the coincidence that it was Falconer's step-sister's 'unsecured' camper, though. And located about 10 feet from her mini-home; which could work in the Crown's favour as to why there were no prints found; ie, lots of time to wipe surfaces.

And I'm editing to add: his step-sister testified today that Falconer somewhat often stayed overnight in that camper; so, by rights, his fingerprints should have been on something in there.


There is a big piece of the puzzle missing, actually a few big pieces.
At the start of this trial, I was sure I was going to be here with you on this.


All I am saying is that if I was on the jury with the info I have (albeit mostly from tweets and media articles) I could not with good conscience find him guilty.
I believe I could, with clear conscience. Yikes--if we were on the same jury.


But on he other hand if I was on the jury and therefore a resident of the county would I want to live with the backlash of setting this man who has been labelled a psychotic monster free?
This is the really difficult part, actually. If a person finds their doubt reasonable as to his guilt, this thinking should never factor in. We're all human, though.

I want to mention, too, that I do not believe he has been "labelled" a psychotic monster. This trial has been fairly held and fairly reported on.

I don't know how bad it is in his hometown, of course; but sometimes if the shoe fits you can't blame anyone but yourself.


It's not over yet though. Maybe there is more to come.
There is still a little, at least. I think we are going to see the defence call a few witnesses. Interestingly enough, maybe even Campbell's mother.

We'll see soon.
 
  • #787
You are correct. No one has answered any of those question or the crown has not answered them for the jury. I don'see anything so far that is worthy of not leaving anyone wihout a reasonable doubt.

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  • #788
Thanks for taking the time Truth. I was just about to go through and with counter points to your post but seriously... I do not want to come across as defending this guy. I just quite simply feel the crown has not made their case and I honestly feel something much bigger is going on.
 
  • #789
One other thing though. I take back what I said about them not seeming to know what happened. I think the investigators know exactly what happened.

Could the trial itself be a part of the ongoing investigation?
 
  • #790
Thanks for taking the time Truth. I was just about to go through and with counter points to your post but seriously... I do not want to come across as defending this guy. I just quite simply feel the crown has not made their case and I honestly feel something much bigger is going on.
I understand; no-one really wants to defend him. But if he didn't do this than he shouldn't be found guilty, either.

When you say something much bigger, are you thinking drugs; or mob involvement; or something like that? Could you give me a few hints--I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

One other thing though. I take back what I said about them not seeming to know what happened. I think the investigators know exactly what happened.

Could the trial itself be a part of the ongoing investigation?
I think I have to know more about what it is you think may be going on, before I can understand this.
 
  • #791
Here is a news article from today. This one has an interesting video.
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CTV News | VIDEO Incl. | Falconer considered pleading guilty, Kirwan trial hears

CTV Atlantic
Published Monday, January 20, 2014 6:18PM AST
Last Updated Monday, January 20, 2014 6:42PM AST

Christopher Alexander Falconer considered pleading guilty to murdering Amber Kirwan to “save a lot of stress for everyone.”

On Monday, Nova Scotia Supreme Court in Pictou heard phone calls Falconer made to his father and stepmother from the Burnside Correctional Facility on Nov. 16 and Nov. 17, 2011.


http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/falconer-considered-pleading-guilty-kirwan-trial-hears-1.1647793
 
  • #792
A lengthy write-up; but detailed and a good read on today's proceedings.

Pictou Advocate | Jury hear’s Falconer’s voice in taped phone conversations

Posted on January 20, 2014, Debbi Harvie

Christopher Alexander Falconer’s step sister Alice Meier took the stand on day 10 of testimony in the first degree murder trial of Falconer in the death of 19-year-old Amber Kirwan.

Meier resides at 976 Hardwood Hill Road with her two children. Her property, at the time of Kirwan’s disappearance on October 8, 2011, consisted of a mini home and a camper trailer.


http://www.pictouadvocate.com/2014/01/20/jury-hears-falconers-voice-in-taped-phone-conversations/
 
  • #793
Natasha Pace‏@NatashaPace43 mins

Today, telecom and textile experts will take the stand. Court gets underway at 9:30 am.

https://twitter.com/NatashaPace
 
  • #794
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  • #796
Mr. Beswick of the Chronicle Herald shares some courtroom basics with us. Sounds like they are going to sequester the jury until they reach their verdict, though.

Everyone is saying there is a much small crowd than usual at the court house today.
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https://twitter.com/CH_ABeswick
 
  • #797
  • #798
Nothing around these parts, I guess.
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Angela MacIvor‏@AngMacIvorCBC52 secs

Steven Pitts works for RCMP at national forensics centre in Edmonton.

https://twitter.com/AngMacIvorCBC
 
  • #799
I just read where he prefers to stand while testifying. Alrighty, then.
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CH_Aaron Beswick‏@CH_ABeswick2 mins

He is a forensic chemist

https://twitter.com/CH_ABeswick
 
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