CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #10

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I just did a search and the Hamilton Police do not have a cold case squad.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I just did a search and the Hamilton Police do not have a cold case squad.

Quoting myself here. I've been thinking about this. Since the Hamilton police do not have a cold case squad, does that mean that Audrey's case has simply been shoved away to gather dust with absolutely no attention given?

 

[FromGermany1]

Quoting myself here. I've been thinking about this. Since the Hamilton police do not have a cold case squad, does that mean that Audrey's case has simply been shoved away to gather dust with absolutely no attention given?

Google - The Spec
22 Aug 2015 — Abrams exchanges glances with the victim each day on the job. “Audrey stares at me every morning,” says Abrams of the picture at her desk.

Sorry, can't read more of it. Mrs. Abrams promised to do her best to find the killer, I remember.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I did find this podcast:

Lynden, Ontario’s Lasting Mystery: The Murder of Audrey Gleave

Lynden, Ontario’s Lasting Mystery: The Murder of Audrey Gleave In the quiet rural haven of Lynden, Ontario, a chilling crime shattered the peace on December 30, 2010. Audrey Gleave—a brilliant, qui…

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The Murder of Audrey Gleave​

In the quiet rural haven of Lynden, Ontario, a chilling crime shattered the peace on December 30, 2010. Audrey Gleave—a brilliant, quirky 73-year-old retired science teacher—was found brutally stabbed to death in her own garage. No forced entry. Nothing stolen. Her loyal German Shepherds locked away, unable to protect her. The scene screamed calculation, rage, and a killer who vanished without a trace.

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[No_Stone_Unturned]

From my post above, this one line stands out for me:

Yet, someone knew her well enough to strike with savage precision.

 

[Catmommy]

Thinking of you, Audrey, and hoping that your killer thinks of you every day with remorse and sees you in their sleep every night with terror. May you haunt them unmercifully until you're granted justice on this earth.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Do we know how long Audrey lived after/during this vicious assault? I hope death was quick because the thought of her suffering, alone and in the cold makes me very upset. I'm following the Nancy Guthrie news and I think of Audrey constantly.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I've just been reading back here to refresh my memory. Did Sonia's murder have "a sexual component" as Audrey's case has? Was a trophy taken from Sonia, as far as we've been told?

Also, to refresh our collective memories, there were at least TWO weapons used in Audrey's case.

All this is from the Jon Wells series.

 

[Claroon]

Have we ever had a full description of Shelley's crime scene? I'm wondering how bloody it might have been given that the attack was deemed "brutal" as Audrey's and Sonia's were.

We have seen photos of just how much blood was spilled in Sonia's home and surroundings. We also were told that Audrey's crime scene was one of the worst a seasoned police officer had ever seen.

I'm wondering if we actually do have the full picture of Audrey's crime scene. Could it be worse than we've been led to believe? And Shelley's as well.

Adding Shelley's thread from WS:

CANADA Thread 'Canada - Shelley Loder, 44, Mono, 7 Dec 2010'

Dec 20, 2010

12-15-2010, 09:53 AM
An update on Shelley's condition was posted Monday night on her FB page. As per the TOS I cannot copy and paste the post here. Apparently she had a medical procedure done (no mention of when) to decrease the pressure on her brain, and taken out of induced coma. By the time of that post, she hadn't woken up

No further updates since then; everyone is praying for her speedy and full recovery.

Prayers for Shelley and her family.

GOOD NEWS!!
Yesterday, Sunday...

• Hazel
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In studying criminal behaviour characteristics for the Eli Wood case (trans) I discovered hate crimes often result in violent brutal slashing of the victim's body. I just read in a closed post (2011) on Audrey Cleave that her 'orientation' was in question. When learning about hate crime brutality that often cuts off genital areas I recalled this Cleave case as I believe that is something that happend with her body and I recalled reading about it. Maybe this hate crime trait is discovered since her case way back.

I haven't read current posts here, just arrived when I saw her name was on the watched cases so don't know if anything like this has been discussed.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

In studying criminal behaviour characteristics for the Eli Wood case (trans) I discovered hate crimes often result in violent brutal slashing of the victim's body. I just read in a closed post (2011) on Audrey Cleave that her 'orientation' was in question. When learning about hate crime brutality that often cuts off genital areas I recalled this Cleave case as I believe that is something that happend with her body and I recalled reading about it. Maybe this hate crime trait is discovered since her case way back.

I haven't read current posts here, just arrived when I saw her name was on the watched cases so don't know if anything like this has been discussed.

Oh, I must have missed the post about Audrey and "orientation". Would you be kind enough to post the link here for us? Many thanks.

 

[Claroon]

Oh, I must have missed the post about Audrey and "orientation". Would you be kind enough to post the link here for us? Many thanks.

Too much work to find it, it was just a websleuther making a speculation. It is one of the last few posts in the former thread that was closed off. Something about her living with another woman?

I want to add, in criminology reading I read it is extremely difficult to dismember a body, so depending on what trophy was taken, may be someone skilled in surgery or specialized cutting tools. (speculating)

 

[FromGermany1]

Too much work to find it, it was just a websleuther making a speculation. It is one of the last few posts in the former thread that was closed off. Something about her living with another woman?

I want to add, in criminology reading I read it is extremely difficult to dismember a body, so depending on what trophy was taken, may be someone skilled in surgery or specialized cutting tools. (speculating)

I remember, that the 2 women, who signed Audrey's Last Will as witnesses, were living together as a pair, IMO.

Maybe, that we also thought of "orientation", when we learned of her close friendship with the woman, who inherited AG's house and assets (just forgot her name). MOO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thanks for the responses. Audrey spent a lot of time with her friend LV, and in small towns that could cause gossip. and thanks @FromGermany1 for remembering about the women who signed the will. Wow, we have collectively spent a LOT of time trying to solve this case, haven't we? Let's not give up now1

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

And a warm welcome to @Claroon. We need all the help we can get!

 

[FromGermany1]

Thanks for the responses. Audrey spent a lot of time with her friend LV, and in small towns that could cause gossip. and thanks @FromGermany1 for remembering about the women who signed the will. Wow, we have collectively spent a LOT of time trying to solve this case, haven't we? Let's not give up now1

LV - that was it, thank you.

 

[Claroon]

I just did a search and the Hamilton Police do not have a cold case squad.

I am investigating your statement's validity. I cannot open the article so I will post what Google has told me:

As recently as 2023, Hamilton Police confirmed that the Audrey Gleave homicide remains an open and active investigation. Detectives have specifically stated they do not classify it as a "cold case" because they continue to monitor "people of interest" and explore incoming tips.

The Hamilton Spectator +2

 

[Claroon]

And a warm welcome to @Claroon. We need all the help we can get!

thanks, pretty sure I was here for the case yrs ago.

 

[Claroon]

The case is still featured on the HPS website accessed through the search tool on their website. Audrey GLEAVE Homicide | Hamilton Police Service

 

[Claroon]

Been readingn a lot of criminology stuff lately. Do you mind if I share some thoughts?

According to the FBI’s Crime Classification Manual and studies on gerontocide (crimes against the elderly):

The "Overkill" Factor: Brutal, impulsive violence involving both a weapon (stabbing) and sexualized elements usually points to a disorganized offender. These individuals are statistically most likely to be in the 20 to 45 age range.

The physical stamina required for a "vicious" struggle with AG who was a strong woman to handle large dogs, AND the peak of paraphilic (sexual) aggression skew younger.

 

[Claroon]

My studies are a hypothetical sample and may not apply to this case, but they are worth noting:

Specifically noting LE's reference of a 'sexual component' in the AG case of which we do not know:
In the U.S., sexual homicides by older male offenders (55+) account for only 0.5% of all sexual homicides.

Most offenders in sexualized or overkill homicides are usually (but not always):
• Male
• Under 55
• Often 25–45
This is because:
• physical strength is required
• sexualized motives skew younger
• impulsive violence decreases with age
• offenders over 65 are statistically rare in violent homicide

Many resources:: Age and sexual recidivism) Statistics about sexual assault | INSPQ

(there is much more on this age theory and the sexualization is only one aspect of this case, so I find it helpful to post in snippets so each aspect can be evaluated on its own. I feel this will be a long journey as I don't want to look up all the old posts sleuths shared LOL. So details may have already been discussed.)