CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #10

[Parsnip]

Check out her media thread. I updated it with copies of articles from newspapers.com. I didn’t complete it, but there are lots there!

Thread 'Canada - Audrey Gleave, Ancaster, Dec. 2010 *** MEDIA/TIMELINES *** NO DISCUSSION ***'

Feb 2, 2013

1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co

1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother

1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart

1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary

1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh...

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[No_Stone_Unturned]

@Parsnip Yes, L is LV a very close friend of Audrey’s.

 

[Parsnip]

It’s my first time here and I recall this case and how shocking it was. It’s sad to see AD’s killer(s) have not been identified.

Did LE look into her computer and online activity? With AD spending more time online and with computers (no more golf club or bridge games) she may have been targeted that way. She used an alias but admins of forums can trace IPs as can determined hackers.

She had knowledge of building computers, coding and computer viruses. That’s a male dominated field so it’s possible someone didn’t take well to a 73 year old woman having those skills.

Hopefully LE looked into this.

It makes me wonder what items were taken from her home. Did they look into her computer?

Just my thoughts as I continue catching up on all the posts from all the threads. And reading articles too.

I hope so, too. The last message I believe she sent was an Amazing Grace video to her handyman. A song about redemption. However, the same link was sent to another person subsequently. I’m not so certain that she was the one who sent that link. Moo.

 

[Parsnip]

What made you put together that scenario?

I discovered this case a couple of years ago, and it haunts me. I spent many hours reading through every post here, every news article I could find, all other media, and I even had myself verified for this forum as an expert so that I could perform some psychological and linguistic analyses for the purpose of seeing Audrey’s killer come to justice. Since TOS for this site prevent me from laying out too many specifics, I can’t fully answer your question. I truly wish I could. I’m super happy for your interest, and I feel secure in saying that those still following this case are, as well! I didn’t follow it from the beginning, but there are many here who did. Justice for Audrey is a long time coming!!

 

[Claroon]

Check out her media thread. I updated it with copies of articles from newspapers.com. I didn’t complete it, but there are lots there!

Thread 'Canada - Audrey Gleave, Ancaster, Dec. 2010 *** MEDIA/TIMELINES *** NO DISCUSSION ***'

Feb 2, 2013

1937 Feb 3 Audrey was born Otte Wilma Doveika to Antanas (Tony) and Marie (Mary?) Doveika. Tony was an engineer at Greening Wire Co

1950s Audrey changed her name as a teenager (date n/a). She did not get along with her mother

1953 Audrey (16 y.o.) married her first husband, surname Bohnart

1958 Hamilton voters list for 11 Beulah Avenue shows Mrs. Audrey Bohnart, student / Doveika, Anthony, machinist / Doveika, Mrs. Mary

1957 – 1964 Sometime during these years, in her 20s, Audrey married her second husband, Larry Blake who worked at Stelco. They lived on Fairleigh...

• Sillybilly
• Replies: 9
• Forum: Cold Case Media Links and Timeline Threads

• 

ETA: link

you worked hard on that!

 

[Parsnip]

you worked hard on that!

Lots of others did, as well! I was just trying to memorialize the articles others posted.

 

[Parsnip]

It’s my first time here and I recall this case and how shocking it was. It’s sad to see AD’s killer(s) have not been identified.

Did LE look into her computer and online activity? With AD spending more time online and with computers (no more golf club or bridge games) she may have been targeted that way. She used an alias but admins of forums can trace IPs as can determined hackers.

She had knowledge of building computers, coding and computer viruses. That’s a male dominated field so it’s possible someone didn’t take well to a 73 year old woman having those skills.

Hopefully LE looked into this.

It makes me wonder what items were taken from her home. Did they look into her computer?

Just my thoughts as I continue catching up on all the posts from all the threads. And reading articles too.

Welcome! Let’s bring her justice !

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I missed this article at the time but thankfully I'm not the one and only to try to link our three victims in Ontario:

One less suspect in Gleave murder mystery - CHCH

One man has been ruled out as a suspect in Audrey Gleave’s murder. He’s the one neighbours say did odd jobs around the retired schoolteacher’s house. He’s also the same person who found the 73 year old on Thursday morning. As Amanda Blitz reports, police now seem to be targeting their...

www.chch.com

 

[Canadian4]

The one case I want solved. My sister was her neighbour.

 

[Claroon]

Just added about her legs for frame of reference, i.e. maybe walking to the end of driveway to get mail even was a chore...(speculating)

Found in MSM article again about her legs. "She mostly kept to herself in the class. Hartig noted how she seemed to be in pain when she walked, he wondered if it was because she struggled with her weight and her knees were hurting."

So weak from having a cold and struggled with walking at times it seems.

I want to remind you of the fact, that AG reserved a portion of her assets for one child/children, who might potentially inherit them. There's an extra-page in the LastWill, where this provision is mentioned. No name, no gender, no age, no place of residence, no specific amount (I think). The executor would have had to pay attention to this advice.

We don't know, if AG ever gave birth. But after all she married very early (16yo) and twice more after her first marriage.

If she didn't get the job at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River after 2 summers of work, because it was supposedly not a healthy environment for women/pregnant women, she herself may have been pregnant at the time. We don't know.

Years and years ago, we found a forum, where adoptive children were able to find their bio parents or vice versa. One user had the name "Aud", if I remember right, and PK named his friend Audrey also "Aud". It seemed to be an odd coincidence. Of course, all users are anonyme, and we can't find out, who "Aud" was or the participant (a girl) of the conversation.

My idea is, that a child, given away after birth, could have had ie. anger issues with the bio parents/bio mother in their later years.

Beside this, my suspect always remains the same.

All MOO.

This article may be where you got the Chalk River info. It says, if she were to become...as many young married women did in that era.
(3/4 down in article)
"Her career as a nuclear physicist did not pan out, either by choice or necessity. One family member said she was denied a permanent job at Chalk River because of concerns about the consequences of working in a nuclear energy environment if she were to become pregnant."

Article also says: "Audrey talked about having kids, but never did."

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I just googled why killers take trophies. Here's what I got:


Serial killers take trophies—such as personal items or body parts—as psychological, sexual, or symbolic rewards to assert absolute domination, control, and skill over their victims
. These items act as physical proof of their "conquest" and allow them to relive the thrill of the murder and maintain a state of sexual fantasy.

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• Symbol of Domination: Trophies serve as a visual reminder of the offender's power and skill in overcoming the victim.
• Sexual/Psychological Stimulation: Items are used to trigger memories and fantasies, often providing sexual arousal or gratification.
• Reverie and Reliving: Trophies allow the killer to "re-experience" the crime and maintain a connection to their fantasy life.
• Proof of Success: Similar to a hunter, the killer keeps these items as proof of their success in their "hunt".
  
  
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[Claroon]

Did anyone check out AG's new wife?

AG was 6 yrs younger than AG, and this woman would be younger still since she was described as a "younger woman".

"Allan had met a younger woman at his karate class." Audrey Gleave had a premonition her life would end violently. Then she was brutally murdered in her home

"Allan left Audrey but, on occasion, dropped by Indian Trail to help with things."
"Allan moved 400 kilometres away with the woman he had met in karate class and married."

"In the divorce settlement, Allan signed the house over to Audrey. The house was important to both of them and he didn’t want anyone else to live there.
“I’ll never sell it,” she told him.
Audrey remained on Indian Trail, alone."

 

[Parsnip]

I just googled why killers take trophies. Here's what I got:


Serial killers take trophies—such as personal items or body parts—as psychological, sexual, or symbolic rewards to assert absolute domination, control, and skill over their victims
. These items act as physical proof of their "conquest" and allow them to relive the thrill of the murder and maintain a state of sexual fantasy.
View attachment 646742Wiley Online Library +1

• Symbol of Domination: Trophies serve as a visual reminder of the offender's power and skill in overcoming the victim.
• Sexual/Psychological Stimulation: Items are used to trigger memories and fantasies, often providing sexual arousal or gratification.
• Reverie and Reliving: Trophies allow the killer to "re-experience" the crime and maintain a connection to their fantasy life.
• Proof of Success: Similar to a hunter, the killer keeps these items as proof of their success in their "hunt".
  View attachment 646743Wiley Online Library +1

I think this is a non sequitur: I can’t look up a link atm, but the trophy notion was debunked, afair. In fact, the sexual element turned out to be torn pants. Adding a moo here, as I can’t provide a link. Ultimately, le felt the scene was staged to suggest a sexual element, but they didn’t think there truly was one.

 

[Sillybilly]

I missed this article at the time but thankfully I'm not the one and only to try to link our three victims in Ontario:

One less suspect in Gleave murder mystery - CHCH​

One man has been ruled out as a suspect in Audrey Gleave’s murder. He’s the one neighbours say did odd jobs around the retired schoolteacher’s house. He’s also the same person who found the 73 year old on Thursday morning. As Amanda Blitz reports, police now seem to be targeting their...

www.chch.com

That CHCH article is very strange, very short, with no indication what the updated info is between Jan 3 2011 and 2024. Talk about David Sc***, the homeless person, is from back in the day and he was ruled out.

PK himself was a member here after Jan 3 2011, and told us he was a suspect. There doesn't seem to be any other MSM that picked up on anyone being ruled out. If it's him that's ruled out, that's the most low key, biggest news on Audrey's case in a very long time.

from The Hamilton Spectator article by Jon Wells, August 22 2015 : Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Early in the investigation, a detective told reporters Kinsman had “absolutely” been ruled out as a suspect, but to Kinsman’s eyes that changed.

Really not sure what the update in that CHCH article relates to and I find it totally confusing.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

It must be earlier on. See the dates.

• Posted:January 3, 2011 | 11:42 PM
• By: CHCH

• Updated: June 12, 2024 | 8:01 PM

 

[Parsnip]

That CHCH article is very strange, very short, with no indication what the updated info is between Jan 3 2011 and 2024. Talk about David Sc***, the homeless person, is from back in the day and he was ruled out.

PK himself was a member here after Jan 3 2011, and told us he was a suspect. There doesn't seem to be any other MSM that picked up on anyone being ruled out. If it's him that's ruled out, that's the most low key, biggest news on Audrey's case in a very long time.

from The Hamilton Spectator article by Jon Wells, August 22 2015 : Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Early in the investigation, a detective told reporters Kinsman had “absolutely” been ruled out as a suspect, but to Kinsman’s eyes that changed.

Really not sure what the update in that CHCH article relates to and I find it totally confusing.

@Sillybilly , can we then treat PK as a POI in this thread, or should we not?

 

[Sillybilly]

@Sillybilly , can we then treat PK as a POI in this thread, or should we not?

No because, although it came from PK as a member, it did not come from LE. We did allow questions and some back and forth discussion but we aren't going to raise it again. I believe there were some issues with him having info "out there" related to potential employment.

We just need to somehow clarify whether or not that CHCH article contains current, correct information.

 

[Parsnip]

No because, although it came from PK as a member, it did not come from LE. We did allow questions and some back and forth discussion but we aren't going to raise it again. I believe there were some issues with him having info "out there" related to potential employment.

We just need to somehow clarify whether or not that CHCH article contains current, correct information.

I’m on it and will report back.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hmm ... totally weird. When I read that CHCH article, I'm pretty sure it contained the name of the reporter, Amanda Blitz (because I didn't come up with that name out of the blue and did a quick Google search). Now that same article just has "by: CHCH"

Am I going loopy? Don't answer that ... could be

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hmm ... totally weird. When I read that CHCH article, I'm pretty sure it contained the name of the reporter, Amanda Blitz (because I didn't come up with that name out of the blue and did a quick Google search). Now that same article just has "by: CHCH"

Am I going loopy? Don't answer that ... could be

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