CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #3

[Woodland]

Rose/sharon - I also wonder what AG would have discussed with PK regarding what would happen when she was gone. Why did she discuss this with PK if he was not executor? What life's experience did PK have for AG involve him in such an undertaking?

Did PK believe himself to be in AG's will? According to PK he was not.

Speaking for myself, I find it hard to fathom LV being sole beneficiary. Surely AG wanted some if not most of the assets she worked so hard for to go to one or more pet projects she was passionate about. Can't wait to find this out someday.

 

[nicgumshoe]

I know this came up before, but I'd really like to know just when a neighbor saw some guy with a backpack walking down AG's drive. It's mentioned as "suspicious activity" is this video:

http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/home/item/1624-police-search-continues-for-audrey-gleave-killer

That backpack could very well have been used to carry in a change of clothes.

Sounds to me like a prime POI.

There was also mention a while back (on one of the other AG threads) about some guy going around that area on a bicycle (in winter), who said he was heading out west to visit family, and folks were supposedly letting him camp on their lawns (I think one guy let him stay in his van and gave him a beer). It had a bit of an urban legend ring to it, and I've never heard more about him.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Here's a thought. It seems that all of AG, SL, and SV involved a garage in some way.
AG was found and probably murdered in her garage, SV's killer at least drove her car out of her garage (thought I read that), and maybe he entered that way too. SL was attacked in her garage studio, I believe.

We've asked before how it's possible to get into a garage, and have mentioned those code busters. But there are also devices like this, which can clone an opener:

[video=youtube;Xra4joXyK7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xra4joXyK7A[/video]

Many people leave their door openers in the car when they have auto service done. Is it possible, a killer in the auto service biz copied some or all of these victim's door openers at some point? (Or someone from some other biz that may have access to your opener)

 

[roseofsharon]

Here's a thought. It seems that all of AG, SL, and SV involved a garage in some way.
AG was found and probably murdered in her garage, SV's killer at least drove her car out of her garage (thought I read that), and maybe he entered that way too. SL was attacked in her garage studio, I believe.

We've asked before how it's possible to get into a garage, and have mentioned those code busters. But there are also devices like this, which can clone an opener:

CLONING (COPY) REMOTE CONTROL TRANSMITTER, GATE & GARAGE DOOR OPENER - YouTube

Many people leave their door openers in the car when they have auto service done. Is it possible, a killer in the auto service biz copied some or all of these victim's door openers at some point? (Or someone from some other biz that may have access to your opener)

Nic -- I really think you could be on to something with this theory!!!

 

[Hazel]

Hazel - I really like the shots of AG's home and glad you re-posted them.

This is not the guy though that I was wondering about, but now I wonder who this guy is.

The other guy (with a large red bin in the background) was not this tall - he wasn't much taller than LV. To the best of my recollection, he was wearing blue jeans and medium blue ski jacket.

Wonder if AG knew both of these gentlemen?

Are you sure Woodland that wasn't the video? Do you by any chance remember what LV was wearing? sorry but those details help me.

Did you see the guy at the 01:23 mark? ------> http://www.chchnews.ca/index.php/home/item/1669
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Someone was asking if LV was married...not according to following link -- she does have two married brothers though

http://hamiltonobituaries.com/2010/July1.html (scroll down one third of the way)

 

[nicgumshoe]

re: the garage again. The other possibility would be a garage door installer, who may then copy the "installee's" code, or have some sort of universal opener.

 

[Hazel]

:waitasec: Why did Audrey's killer close the garage door when he/she left the garage? I can't imagine the killer wanting to 'preserve' the crime scene/body, so

- was the killer trying to delay Audrey's body from being found?

- was the killer trying to protect the Camaro from the elements/thieves?

- any other ideas?

 

[nicgumshoe]

:waitasec: Why did Audrey's killer close the garage door when he/she left the garage? I can't imagine the killer wanting to 'preserve' the crime scene/body, so

- was the killer trying to delay Audrey's body from being found?

- was the killer trying to protect the Camaro from the elements/thieves?

- any other ideas?

I think he'd want to delay discovery for as long as possible...so he could get as far as possible from the scene.

Also...how did he close the garage? Would that outside panel work with just a button...or would he have to enter a code? If the code, then he quite possibly had an opener with him (maybe from her car)...or one he made (cloned). You can normally hit a button in a garage to close it, but if you try to run out there's usually a light beam that stops motion once you cross it. In that case the door wouldn't fully close.

 

[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/a...ber-loose-might-want-to-lose-the-ipodDanielle Wong
Sun Nov 13 2011

With random stabber loose, might want to lose the iPod


Police hunt suspect randomly stabbing people
Two similar stabbings in four days in lower city. Hooded attacker passed victims on street, then turned and...


.

Hamilton police are asking residents and business owners for video footage that may help them catch a hooded man who stabbed two people apparently chosen at random last week.

Detectives have looked at some surveillance clips from the two neighbourhoods, but have not been able to review footage from businesses closed over the weekend, Detective Constable Cathy Lockley said Sunday, adding homeowners who have their own surveillance cameras may also have recorded evidence.

And police now say they believe there was a witness to the first attack at Sanford Avenue North and King Street East. The man who was stabbed several times in the back Nov. 7 reported seeing a minivan with its lights on backed in between the Catholic Children’s Aid Society and Cathedral High School, Lockley said

 

[dotr]

:waitasec: Why did Audrey's killer close the garage door when he/she left the garage? I can't imagine the killer wanting to 'preserve' the crime scene/body, so

- was the killer trying to delay Audrey's body from being found?

- was the killer trying to protect the Camaro from the elements/thieves?

- any other ideas?

I don't know, but I am beginning to wonder if maybe the garage was not the point of entry, maybe it was those windows/patio doors with plastic and tinfoil on them.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Regarding the garage door opener - we just had a garage door opener installed in our new home and I asked about 'code grabbers'. The alarm company knew all about them and assured us that the NEW alarms now shut off (for lack of the correct wording) once the cars are safely inside the garage and also when one is not home.

So, how old was AG's garage code thing? If it was reasonably new, it would have disengaged itself once AG locked the garage.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Regarding the garage door opener - we just had a garage door opener installed in our new home and I asked about 'code grabbers'. The alarm company knew all about them and assured us that the NEW alarms now shut off (for lack of the correct wording) once the cars are safely inside the garage and also when one is not home.

So, how old was AG's garage code thing? If it was reasonably new, it would have disengaged itself once AG locked the garage.

That sounds like it might be a system that generates a new code every time you press your remote opener. (Supposedly there are 100 billion possible codes, so code breakers have a slim chance of working)

That she had a keypad on the outside, indicates to me she had a constant code, that could be grabbed or copied onto another remote.

(Our place is about 8 years old, and has the old constant code system.)

Regardless, I'd still want a kill switch in the garage for when I was home....
for when the crooks catch up to the latest technology, and can bypass the 100 billion code issue.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

You're right nic, ours doesn't have a code box outside. We open the garage doors with our remote controls which are left in the cars.

But I still have questions:
1. Did the killer of AG really enter through the garage? How are we to know?

2. Who was/were the people/person AG knew who lived in LV's neighbourhood?

3. Have these people been checked out by LE?

4. Did the perp have a thing for women in white cars? SV had a white car; AG had a white car. Do we know what colour vehicle SL had?

5. It's getting very dark now in Southern Ontario. Did AG (and SL) tend to have the house well lit up inside by about 3 pm? (I do!)

6. Has PK been asked to take another polygraph since the last one?

7. Did Mrs.PK take a polygraph?

Many questions......:innocent:

 

[nicgumshoe]

Great Q's NSU!

I'd also like to add:

8. What kind of car did AG have b4 the Camaro ?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Great Q's NSU!

I'd also like to add:

8. What kind of car did AG have b4 the Camaro ?

That's been on my mind as well!! I've had nothing but 'Vettes all of my life and I'm wondering if AG was the same with her Camaros.

Also:
9. If AG wasn't a lifetime Camaro/GM owner - what kind of cars did she own previously?

10. Was AG always a GM person?

11. If so, did AG always use the same GM dealership?

12. And how/why did AG decide to purchase the 2010 Camaro? A friend said GM was having a sale? Was it custom-ordered? Did the dealership just happen to have many white ones? Did AG order one in white? :crazy:

 

[LilyMacBloom]

A couple of days ago we were talking about MEMBERS logged in and reading our forum and the number of GUESTS reading the forum.

I believe you will find the GUESTS at the following link as our posts are being shared on the following without being quoted as to where they are getting their information. In particular the information I have shared as well as PKs posts.

Folks, you can belong to more than one forum. I belong to your forum I just don't post there, but I'm gonna start. That way you won't have to send me a private message asking me to ask Suzie something to post on your site. :seeya:

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php

 

[Hazel]

I think he'd want to delay discovery for as long as possible...so he could get as far as possible from the scene.

Also...how did he close the garage? Would that outside panel work with just a button...or would he have to enter a code? If the code, then he quite possibly had an opener with him (maybe from her car)...or one he made (cloned). You can normally hit a button in a garage to close it, but if you try to run out there's usually a light beam that stops motion once you cross it. In that case the door wouldn't fully close.

I imagine it works pretty much like a front door openers. You just press the center button to lick the door.
Here is an image I found on the internet, just to give an idea of the 'center button' - - this one is not for garage though, just as a reference:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

A couple of days ago we were talking about MEMBERS logged in and reading our forum and the number of GUESTS reading the forum.

I believe you will find the GUESTS at the following link as our posts are being shared on the following without being quoted as to where they are getting their information. In particular the information I have shared as well as PKs posts.

Folks, you can belong to more than one forum. I belong to your forum I just don't post there, but I'm gonna start. That way you won't have to send me a private message asking me to ask Suzie something to post on your site. :seeya:

http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php

Well that's pretty uncool. But if you guys are watching this site, I might as well say :cow:!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'm still sort of thinking that SL, SV and AG are related - this just came up on Twitter:

CTVBarrieNews CTV News Barrie

POLICE INVESTIGATING after 4-year-old boy found wandering alone along Highway 10 south of #Orangeville this morning.


I hope our Orangeville & Mono guy(s) aren't at it again!!:furious:

 

[Valleyboy]

That's been on my mind as well!! I've had nothing but 'Vettes all of my life and I'm wondering if AG was the same with her Camaros.

Also:
9. If AG wasn't a lifetime Camaro/GM owner - what kind of cars did she own previously?

10. Was AG always a GM person?

11. If so, did AG always use the same GM dealership?

12. And how/why did AG decide to purchase the 2010 Camaro? A friend said GM was having a sale? Was it custom-ordered? Did the dealership just happen to have many white ones? Did AG order one in white? :crazy:

Most car dealers have a sale in the fall of the year when the new models come out and you can get several thousand dollars off last years models even though they are still brand new with no milage on them,