CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #3

[Canadian4]

Wow, that gun info is very interesting Nic. Considering Ms Gleave said she always thought she would be murdered in her own home I guess her getting a gun wouldn't be too out there.

 

[nicgumshoe]

Can somebody else help me out here ...

In the video Hazel just posted, at the 2:39 mark where the female officer is photographing outside the garage, it appears there is a blue tarp on the other side of the downspout. It seems she is aiming her camera directly at it. Is it some fluke within the video or ???

(that's actually at around 0:36...the video length is 2:39)

I does look like she's aiming at that or near that. (Can't see if it's actually a tarp on my crappy dull monitor.)

I think we can see the garage door keypad in this shot too. (see thumbnail below, from above-mentioned city tv video)

 

[Canadian4]

Something that strikes me as odd is LV and AG were good friends for 30 years. AG is brutally murdered in her own home, a place she should have been and felt the safest. LV inherits half a million bucks from this crime. Surely the most important thing on her mind is catching the person who did this to get some kind of justice for her friend and so he/she doesn't kill again and even so he/she doesn't come after her ( ok maybe her thinking the killer would come after her is not a rational thought but whose thinking rational when older women are killed in their own home). Why hasn't she offered a sizeable chunk of that inheritance as a reward?

 

[dotr]

Can somebody else help me out here ...

In the video Hazel just posted, at the 2:39 mark where the female officer is photographing outside the garage, it appears there is a blue tarp on the other side of the downspout. It seems she is aiming her camera directly at it. Is it some fluke within the video or ???

I was wondering about that too, somehow it seemed as if everything was focused near that corner up close to garage door and down.

Image blown up makes it look like tarp on the side of spout and although it may be distortion , the "tarp" if it is one seems to go up the ..oh dear I must say, up the water spout. I do not think I see the keypad, only a hydro meter.jmo (for now)

 

[nicgumshoe]

WOW, thanks to Hazel for the vid find! Thanks to nicgumshoe for the 'baryon' + gun site find! Great work, guys!! :tyou:

OK, A few comments:

1. The young, blonde woman says that whilst riding her bike the dogs "would run right out". Does she mean that the dogs were outdoors, roaming about when she rode by on her bike? Or, did the dogs merely come to the door barking loudly? Either way, it shows that AG let the dogs have the run of the house/yard when AG was at home.

2. I doubt the man (aged 50-60?) is a suspect. He's close but not young. Also, I imagine he's already had a polygraph and passed with flying colours! (I'm still going with the FBI guy on 'young and close').

3. Now about the 'baryon' person and the gun sites! First, really how many people would use a login name of "baryon"? And I noticed it's with a small "b" just as AG used in her email accounts! Yes, I know, email accounts are all done with small letters. That said, this "baryon" could have used the login name of "Baryon" IF it is not AG herself!

So much interesting stuff, people!!

Looks like the gun thing may actually be another Ontario baryon.

There's a 2011 post on this site from someone that is probably the same baryon as in the others:

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?/topic/28172-dead-trigger-bent-trigger-bar-or-sear-flutter/

Well....back to the drawing board!

 

[Hazel]

I was wondering about that too, somehow it seemed as if everything was focused near that corner up close to garage door and down.

Image blown up makes it look like tarp on the side of spout and although it may be distortion , the "tarp" if it is one seems to go up the ..oh dear I must say, up the water spout. I do not think I see the keypad, only a hydro meter.jmo (for now)

It is not a tarp it's nothing really, just those ghostly things, maybe a reflexion but seems more like what sillybilly said: a fluke within the video.

You could be right dotr, that could be the hydro meter - doesn't look like a keypad to me. There is another view that shows the male officer looking at something on the side of the door frame - my guess is that is where the keypad might be mounted.

Also, after seeing the female officer pointing her camera towards the right-hand-side garage door, it seems to me that might be the door where Audrey's body was found...don't know why i had been imagining her body lying close to her Camaro, on the other side ... maybe because that door would be closer to the door connecting to the house :waitasec:

When we see the Camaro being loaded onto that forensic van/trailer, we see the Camaro was parked on the left hand side, same side where IMHO the keypad could be mounted -- will make a screenshot of that view.

 

[Hazel]

This screen shot shows there is no tarp - just blue lines??

 

[Hazel]

- Arrows point at more blue lines reflexions.

- When watching the video again, it seems to me the male officer, lifts up something that could be the 'keypad lid' with his left hand, and has something on his right hand - maybe fingerprinting brush or something like that, all JMHO.

 

[dotr]

Thanks again Hazel, it goes to show you, looks can be deceiving.

 

[Hazel]

Found another old ("NEW" for us) VIDEO clip

Nick: :aktion: good find about that forum re the gun. If that baryon posting in that forum is Audrey, LE would surely know about it.

Which in turn has me wondering what 'items" (IF ANY) were taken from Audrey's home. I had long ago questioned if all four computers were accounted for in Audrey's home, and if her 2 main computers had been forensically checked.

This from following news Video clip -- I don't remember LE making an official statement corroborating what the reporter is saying, so it might not be 100% accurate:

( 01:24 mark )
Police are saying that items are missing from Gleave's home. They just aren't revealing what those items are right now

Could the 'items' be one or more computers? or the gun (in the event that poster was Audrey)?

I do remember PK telling us, LE asked him to go in the house with them to see if anything was missing (not his exact words).

link to CHCH VIDEO clip, dated Monday, January 03, 2011 = http://www.chch.com/index.php/home/item/1645-one-less-suspect-in-gleave-murder-mystery

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Been thinking about this all day long:

My thoughts (in random order as they come to me!:blushing

1. The blue thing in the vid does look like some sort of tarp to me.

2. The report of PK being innocent and ruled out was dated Jan. 2011 but PK also took another polygraph much later in the year and it "had discrepancies".

3. Why would AG get a gun? If her thoughts of being brutally killed were valid (and they were!) I'm wondering why she wouldn't go to LE!

4. Did LE find a gun at her house?

5. Did the killer get the gun and use it for the "sexual component" of the crime?

Now, on a side note - I was travelling around Ontario today and someone suggested I visit the local bakery in a very small town I was in. They had CHRISTMAS STOLLEN cakes there by the dozens. Most of them were baked in bundt pans while some were baked in log form!! Too coincidental, I thought!!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

This screen shot shows there is no tarp - just blue lines??

On another glance, I think this is a blue tarp which has been pulled up to possibly cover a window and/or to protect the crime scene.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Looks like the gun thing may actually be another Ontario baryon.

There's a 2011 post on this site from someone that is probably the same baryon as in the others:

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?/topic/28172-dead-trigger-bent-trigger-bar-or-sear-flutter/

Well....back to the drawing board!

OR, the killer stole AG's computer and is using her name 'baryon' in order to have the name as a trophy of sorts?

OR, the killer was aware of AG using the login name 'baryon' and is continuing to use the name - again as a trophy!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Found another old ("NEW" for us) VIDEO clip

Nick: :aktion: good find about that forum re the gun. If that baryon posting in that forum is Audrey, LE would surely know about it.

Which in turn has me wondering what 'items" (IF ANY) were taken from Audrey's home. I had long ago questioned if all four computers were accounted for in Audrey's home, and if her 2 main computers had been forensically checked.

This from following news Video clip -- I don't remember LE making an official statement corroborating what the reporter is saying, so it might not be 100% accurate:

Could the 'items' be one or more computers? or the gun (in the event that poster was Audrey)?

I do remember PK telling us, LE asked him to go in the house with them to see if anything was missing (not his exact words).

link to CHCH VIDEO clip, dated Monday, January 03, 2011 = http://www.chch.com/index.php/home/item/1645-one-less-suspect-in-gleave-murder-mystery

Oh, from this vid link did I hear it correctly? AG "met with FOUR MALE COLLEAGUES" at the coffee group? Weren't there any female colleagues at the coffee group?

Help required here - I'm not blaming the victim but:
1. Did I hear that correctly?

2. Does anyone here find that a bit odd, to say the least?

3. I wonder if these male colleagues have been polygraphed!

The mystery continues......:rollercoaster:

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Before I post the following, please let me make a few things clear:
a) I read books incessantly. (highly imaginative)
b) I am an activist for female rights/human rights. (lifelong)
c) I am not blaming the victim. (Buddhist Noble Truth - respect all sentient beings)

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That said, how's this for a pieced together theory:
1. We know AG liked men (was married 3 times).
2. We know AG enjoyed looking attractive ( red nails, high heels, etc.)
3. We know AG was *somewhat* of a loner (discussed by many)
4. We know AG was extremely intelligent.

What we don't know:
1. Did AG enjoy the company of men in non-traditional ways?
2. Did AG anger a man online or in person which would lead to a brutal, sexual killing?
3. Did AG have a double life - teacher by day; something else at night?
4. Did AG enjoy taunting men who were less intelligent than she?

I think you all know where I'm going here. So, I'll leave it at that and hopefully you'll lend your thoughts about my questions.

 

[nicgumshoe]

OR, the killer stole AG's computer and is using her name 'baryon' in order to have the name as a trophy of sorts?

OR, the killer was aware of AG using the login name 'baryon' and is continuing to use the name - again as a trophy!

Good points! Or he was using to it taunt AG then, and now LE. A serial killer's little joke.

Or maybe the dates on that last post are wrong. It's the only one after the murder that I've seen (I found a few more gun sites with that username, some appeared to be duplicate posts of the sites listed above).

 

[nicgumshoe]

Oh, from this vid link did I hear it correctly? AG "met with FOUR MALE COLLEAGUES" at the coffee group? Weren't there any female colleagues at the coffee group?

Help required here - I'm not blaming the victim but:
1. Did I hear that correctly?

2. Does anyone here find that a bit odd, to say the least?

3. I wonder if these male colleagues have been polygraphed!

The mystery continues......:rollercoaster:

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Before I post the following, please let me make a few things clear:
a) I read books incessantly. (highly imaginative)
b) I am an activist for female rights/human rights. (lifelong)
c) I am not blaming the victim. (Buddhist Noble Truth - respect all sentient beings)

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That said, how's this for a pieced together theory:
1. We know AG liked men (was married 3 times).
2. We know AG enjoyed looking attractive ( red nails, high heels, etc.)
3. We know AG was *somewhat* of a loner (discussed by many)
4. We know AG was extremely intelligent.

What we don't know:
1. Did AG enjoy the company of men in non-traditional ways?
2. Did AG anger a man online or in person which would lead to a brutal, sexual killing?
3. Did AG have a double life - teacher by day; something else at night?
4. Did AG enjoy taunting men who were less intelligent than she?

I think you all know where I'm going here. So, I'll leave it at that and hopefully you'll lend your thoughts about my questions.

Considering she kept the existence of some friendships a secret from others suggests somewhat of a double life also.

I really do think you're onto something with that...and to some extent, it was a factor in her murder.

 

[dotr]

I agree with everything above, including NSU's account of a lady who perhaps is a little different in ways that are awkward to suggest. Yes, I do believe the clip indicated that AG met with male friends for coffee.
I was surprised to learn that not only some gay men engage in s and m, at fetish parties and clubs, but that many females do as well. We have all heard of nasty tales of people engaging in that sort of thing and accidentally dying of strangulation.

 

[2soccermom]

this is my first "sleuthing" post. Thank you for your welcome, all.

IF the "baryon" looking to purchase a gun in 2007 was indeed Audrey, then we might ask what triggered that query at that particular time: was she dating someone that had gone wrong, or had argued withand been threatened by someone? I've always wondered at WHAT time (year, month) she told the brother-in-law she always feared she would be attacked and murdered in her home. Was this a long-time worry or specific to a time frame? 2007? I agree that it would be reasonable to expect Audrey will have dated men -- but as such a private individual, I bet there's little she shared even with those closest to her about her intimate life. The computers/her email account(s) would more likely warehouse those intimate details. Like some of you, I also have wondered if the computers were taken; if so, that itself would be a "speaking" piece of evidence for LE.

Here's an excerpt from a blog by John Hartig who took a night class on web design with Audrey; I'm sorry if someone has already posted it on websleuths or elsewhere:
http://johnhartig.info/12-headlines.html
"Audrey had an analytical mind. She was tenacious in her web design assignments and scored in the 90% range in all her exams. That for a retired lady in her late 60s (when I first met her) was a grand achievement. Many students in those night courses were youngsters and she did better than they. Audrey often stayed after class to quiz the profs on different forms of scripting, just to gain extra knowledge. She loved logic, math and sudokus. She spurned laziness and had no patience for people who seemed shallow or hypocritical. In fact, she thought that most people were just so, hypocritical and liars of some sort or other. Maybe that’s why she became a recluse. I judged she had a comfortable teacher’s pension, having been a high-school teacher, and I often wondered why she just didn’t go on holidays to the Caribbean or somewhere warm every year. Her choice was to stay in her little house in a back road with her two dogs. And now that pension, that brain and that human being are no more. I will miss baryon. I might have asked her what she thought of Stephen Hawking’s latest book: The Grand Design. Now, I’ll never know."
also at:
http://www.authonomy.com/books/34657/time-portal-book-ii-john-s-story-/read-book/?chapterid=329602

 

[puppyraiser]

Considering she kept the existence of some friendships a secret from others suggests somewhat of a double life also.

I really do think you're onto something with that...and to some extent, it was a factor in her murder.

I agree. Why did she keep friendships secret from the one person who had been her friend for so many years? And why such secrecy regarding her email address and real name? She was computer savvy and could dissect a virus so I don't think she was "worried" in the typical sense of getting a computer virus and wiping out her hard drive. Not to mention, she had a few hard drives at her home (according to PK) so I would imagine if she had data she didn't want to lose that she would be backing it up frequently. To me, it appeared she wanted her real life identity to be protected from others online. Why? What was she hiding, or who was she hiding from?

There has to be something, some secret or encounter from her past, that frightened her enough to make the statement that she feared she would be murdered in her home.

 

[LilyMacBloom]

Puppyraiser, I second this and Suzie would third it!

There has to be something, some secret or encounter from her past, that frightened her enough to make the statement that she feared she would be murdered in her home.[/QUOTE]