CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[No_Stone_Unturned]

That is SO very sad, but those of us on WS remembering AG daily!

I'm stunned, yet not surprised, as I thought this would be the case.

Hmmmm???

imo

:justice:

 

[Valleyboy]

Went out to our bin and pulled out the Expositor. There was no mention of AG's passing one year ago.

I don't find this so strange at all.

My family for one have had several deaths over the years but we don't
put anything in the papers on the anniversary of their deaths.

I know many other people who do the same.

 

[roseofsharon]

Quoted from Valleyboy:

"The person who killed Audrey was a person who was known to her."


So now we're back to close and perhaps young!

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ETA: I'm wondering what "known to her" really means. In my opinion, 'known to anyone' would NOT include the following types of people:
- mail delivery person
- paper delivery person
- passersby who might wave at you
- one's grocery store clerk, any clerk in any store
- anyone who doesn't have your email address nor your phone number with regular contact on a continual basis
- anyone who didn't visit your home from time to time for personal/relaxing reasons
- anyone in whom you didn't confide personal details ( ie: the name Baryon, the one who was in your will, people who shared time with AG in the garage or in her home)

Can you guys think of other people who would NOT be considered "known to her"?

I agree NS -- I think LE means "known to her" as in AG's tighter inner circle -- someone she knew VERY well. Someone who was nervous around her dogs, someone who visited her often, someone she was in the company of often and as far as motive, I still feel that AG withdrew large sums of cash from the TCU and kept it in her home, rather than investing it and this, I believe, was the motive. I think she told the person she thought was a friend about this. As far as the sexual component to the crime, I think this was staged to make it look like a sexually motivated crime. All just IMO

An added thought -- I think whoever the perp is was well aware of DLS in their community and knew LE would put all their eggs in one basket initially. Again IMO

 

[roseofsharon]

I don't find this so strange at all.

My family for one have had several deaths over the years but we don't
put anything in the papers on the anniversary of their deaths.

I know many other people who do the same.

Under the circumstances, I think it would have been appropriate -- as SL's family has thanked everyone for their prayers and support on a few occasions, I just think remembering a friend, who thought very highly of you, enough to make you sole beneficiary of their estate, yeah -- it would have been a nice thing to do, but that is just my opinion and not to mention, it would have been very respectful as well.

I respect your opinion, however, conversely, some people put memoriums in the paper yearly until they themselves have passed.

This would have been for a lady whom met a horrific death, it just would have been nice to remember her publicly.

Just IMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Valleyboy:

"We have gone over many of the exhibits with them. Exhibits are still being tested by CFS and by other private agencies inside and outside Canada."


I love my country, but I wonder if the FBI is working on AG's case. They helped with the Bernardo case and many others. In my opinion, the FBI is very good at solving difficult cases.

This one simply HAS to be solved......... :justice:

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Quoted from roseofsharon:

An added thought -- I think whoever the perp is was well aware of DLS in their community and knew LE would put all their eggs in one basket initially. Again IMO


Good thinking! DLS was an obvious fall-guy! So the perp is smart and knew DLS would be the first to be picked up. And that gave the real perp time to adjust alibis, etc.

Hmmmmmm......... the killer is therefore extremely familiar with AG's area and the people who frequent the area.

This is narrowing it down quite a bit, I'd say.:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Tomorrow, I must make a trip to Niagara-On-The-Lake. So, I'll be passing over the Hamilton bridge area and no doubt, thinking even more of Audrey.

This morning I was trying to think of who was close to Audrey (as per the article posted by Valleyboy).

Here's who I came up with:

- LV
- PK
- the neighbours to whom AG sent the "Amazing Grace" vid/tune
- the coffee group people
- possibly, the vet (but I'm tending to dismiss people with whom AG did business.....don't know why)
- possibly all of PK's family because they lived so close as shown in one of the maps PK posted
- possibly all of LV's family

Does this make sense? Did I miss anyone OR did I add someone who shouldn't be considered "close"?

hdear:

 

[roseofsharon]

Tomorrow, I must make a trip to Niagara-On-The-Lake. So, I'll be passing over the Hamilton bridge area and no doubt, thinking even more of Audrey.

This morning I was trying to think of who was close to Audrey (as per the article posted by Valleyboy).

Here's who I came up with:

- LV
- PK
- the neighbours to whom AG sent the "Amazing Grace" vid/tune
- the coffee group people
- possibly, the vet (but I'm tending to dismiss people with whom AG did business.....don't know why)
- possibly all of PK's family because they lived so close as shown in one of the maps PK posted
- possibly all of LV's family

Does this make sense? Did I miss anyone OR did I add someone who shouldn't be considered "close"?

hdear:

JH -- the photographer or was he part of the coffee group? I remember reading they met at a night school computer course. I think they were good friends and exchanged emails.

 

[dotr]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1110538--caledon-becoming-a-dumping-ground-for-murderers
Dark areas and murder, this article pertains to the "Caledon dumping ground", but may apply here... as for reactive murder, does that fit in AG's case?


"It’s not completely clear why Caledon has become de facto dumping territory, but police and local residents have developed similar theories.

In many of the cases, it’s believed the victims were killed and abducted from surrounding areas: Brampton, Orangeville and Bradford West Gwillimbury.

That means most killers are driving into Caledon — a region close 700 square kilometres in size — to hide the deed.

“They go to the first place that is dark,” Leon said. “It’s not a bright as the city lights are.”

One resident likened Caledon to the “wild west” — the beginning of the countryside where streetlights end"





Dax Urbszat, acting director for the forensic science program at the University of Toronto at Mississauga, said these cases are likely the result of reactive violence, where someone the victim knew acted out emotionally in the heat of an argument or otherwise.

That appears to be true in several of Caledon’s solved cases, where a husband, acquaintance or housemate has been arrested and charged.

Urbszat said reactive violence is unplanned, so when “stark amateurs” are faced with the consequences of their crime, they can panic.

“Most will be in a state of semi-shock,” he said. “Many will develop post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of this reactive violence.”
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[dotr]

JH -- the photographer or was he part of the coffee group? I remember reading they met at a night school computer course. I think they were good friends and exchanged emails.

He is a good writer too..
http://johnhartig.info/12-headlines.html

 

[Sillybilly]

He is a good writer too..
http://johnhartig.info/12-headlines.html

When we combine JH’s comment:

“Probably her biggest passion was cooking. She’d try anything,” Allan added.”

With our knowledge that AG had recently had a convection oven installed, it just doesn’t seem to jive with PK’s comment:

because, as she often lamented, she was too lazy to make it herself

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On one hand PK seems to denote that his relationship with AG was so very special, but OTOH, various comments seem designed to demean her to some degree (i.e. stealing, lazy). JMO, but not words, comments, or stories i would use to describe my dearly departed friend.

For some odd reason i couldn't seem to bring myself to post wrt the 1 year anniversary of AG's passing, but she was certainly in my thoughts all that week. We sooo need justice for this very lovely lady. What monster could have done this?

 

[Hazel]

I'm also curious to know if there were any "in memory of" in the Brantford or Hamilton newspapers for AG.

IMHO, if someone willed me half a million dollars, I would be sure to remember them, especially on the one-year anniversary of their untimely passing.

Did any one of the very close friends of AG remember her publicly in a newspaper?

And perhaps part with just a little bit of that inheritance to set up a reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction of the person(s) responsible for the murder of AG.

A three decades long -- good, loyal, kind, generous, friend!!!!

IMO

That is SO very sad, but those of us on WS remembering AG daily!

I'm stunned, yet not surprised, as I thought this would be the case.

Hmmmm??? imo

:heartbeat: Bless your soul roseofsharon :blowkiss:​

 

[Hazel]

Under the circumstances, I think it would have been appropriate -- as SL's family has thanked everyone for their prayers and support on a few occasions, I just think remembering a friend, who thought very highly of you, enough to make you sole beneficiary of their estate, yeah -- it would have been a nice thing to do, but that is just my opinion and not to mention, it would have been very respectful as well.

I respect your opinion, however, conversely, some people put memoriums in the paper yearly until they themselves have passed.

This would have been for a lady whom met a horrific death, it just would have been nice to remember her publicly.

Just IMO

wholeheartedly agree, and IMO it would have also been nice because she has no family to grief for her.

You're such a lovely person Rose, and I'm sure you are a wonderful friend :beats:​

 

[Hazel]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/1110538--caledon-becoming-a-dumping-ground-for-murderers
Dark areas and murder, this article pertains to the "Caledon dumping ground", but may apply here... as for reactive murder, does that fit in AG's case?

Dax Urbszat, acting director for the forensic science program at the University of Toronto at Mississauga, said these cases are likely the result of reactive violence, where someone the victim knew acted out emotionally in the heat of an argument or otherwise.

That appears to be true in several of Caledon’s solved cases, where a husband, acquaintance or housemate has been arrested and charged.

Urbszat said reactive violence is unplanned, so when “stark amateurs” are faced with the consequences of their crime, they can panic.

“Most will be in a state of semi-shock,” he said. “Many will develop post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of this reactive violence.”
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Thank you dotr for that article, very interesting and gives me food for thought. I have bolded what I find most interesting.

Could you please post it as well on the thread where we were discussing Caledon? I believe it was Kera's thread, perhaps also on SV thead? Thank You! Let me know if you prefer me to post it there

What I'm understanding LE is saying is:

cases of "Reactive Violence" are not planned, it's acted out emotionally in the heat of an argument, etc., so the "acquaintance" panics, and is likely to take the body and dump it in a dark area, away from the crime scene.​

Did I get it right? So, since Audrey was found in what appears to be the 'crime scene' (the exact same place where she was murdered), and LE has already established it was someone that was known to her,
:waitasec: could this mean her murder was planned and not on the heat of the moment? Maybe even thinking of DSL to be blamed?

Is that a logical conclusion? Of course there are always exceptions to the rules, and perhaps her murder might have also been "reactive violence", but in her case the perp didn't take her body away.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

:heartbeat: Bless your soul roseofsharon :blowkiss:​

Totally agree here. roseofsharon has to be one of the kindest posters I've ever known online. And......smart, articulate and perhaps most importantly here..... is determined to find justice for Audrey!

:justice:

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ETA: I KNOW roseofsharon won't take offense at this....... I think that ALL of us are kindly and compassionate since we are devoted to finding 'the monster' who murdered Audrey Gleave. (Stealing a line from sillybilly's post!)

:goldstar::applause::goldstar:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from sillybilly:

For some odd reason i couldn't seem to bring myself to post wrt the 1 year anniversary of AG's passing, but she was certainly in my thoughts all that week. We sooo need justice for this very lovely lady. What monster could have done this?


Indeed......... :justice:

 

[Hazel]

Audrey Gleave murder remains mystery one year later

http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/...-murder-one-year-111230/20111230/?hub=SWOHome

The police have not gone public with any new leads in the recent months, but insist it is not a cold case.


Hamilton Police Det.-Sgt. Ian Matthews says the force was reviewing evidence as recently as this month with Ontario's Centre of Forensic Sciences (CFS).


"We have gone over many of the exhibits with them. Exhibits are still being tested by CFS and by other private agencies inside and outside Canada."


Police won't comment on the type of evidence being reviewed, but will confirm that the case has been labelled a priority.


While the motive remains a mystery, as do Gleave's movements in the days before her death, Matthews says it was not a random attack.


"The person who killed Audrey was a person who was known to her."


And while the case has not yet been solved, police say it has also not been forgotten.

Thank you Valleyboy for not only posting this great article, but thanks for taking the time in highlighting the information that gives us lots of hope Audrey's case will be solved.

It's not a cold case, and they have reviewed what appears to be forensic evidence as recently as this month! Exhibits are still being tested, not only by CSI but also private agencies inside and outside Canada !! And the case has been labelled "priority" !!
!! awesome news !!

I am wondering if the private agencies outside Canada could be the FBI. Just recently they announced the SL attack was NOT committed by the same perp who murdered Audrey, and IIRC, there was a 'summit' where the OPP and FBI got together to discuss SL and SV cases (will have to find a link to support that),

Would it be a stretch to assume, the FBI could also be looking at Audrey's case? *fingers crossed*

Seems they still need "motive" and establish a good "timeline" for her last days

When they say "not random" I'm not sure if that just means "not a stranger" since they have already determined it was someone she knew,
or if "not random" could also mean that it was not out of the blue, like in pre-meditated....I'm trying to put together that they need a "motive" and "not random"
Sorry guys, I'm thinking out loud here......
f it was "reactive violence" and not planned, but in the heat of an argument, will LE still need 'motive'?
I think I'm getting myself confused, and it probably just means "not random" "no motive determined yet" "she knew her attacker"

ETA article link: FBI, OPP & RCMP work on profile of Sonia Varaschin’s killer"

I was mistaken, it was only for SV, not SL

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Hazel:

Would it be a stretch to assume, the FBI could also be looking at Audrey's case? *fingers crossed*


A few posts back I mentioned the same thing - hoping the FBI is on Audrey's case/killer/finding the monster.

We must be thinking alike!

 

[Snoopster]

Audrey Gleave murder remains mystery one year later

http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/...-murder-one-year-111230/20111230/?hub=SWOHome

The police have not gone public with any new leads in the recent months, but insist it is not a cold case.


Hamilton Police Det.-Sgt. Ian Matthews says the force was reviewing evidence as recently as this month with Ontario's Centre of Forensic Sciences (CFS).


"We have gone over many of the exhibits with them. Exhibits are still being tested by CFS and by other private agencies inside and outside Canada."


Police won't comment on the type of evidence being reviewed, but will confirm that the case has been labelled a priority.


While the motive remains a mystery, as do Gleave's movements in the days before her death, Matthews says it was not a random attack.


"The person who killed Audrey was a person who was known to her."

And while the case has not yet been solved, police say it has also not been forgotten.

I may have missed it, but do we know how LE knows that the perpetrator was known to Audrey?

I still can't believe that this case hasn't been solved yet! Hopefully LE knows who did it and are just putting a load of solid evidence in place to make sure that there is a conviction. I believe that the noose is tightening!

 

[Hazel]

I may have missed it, but do we know how LE knows that the perpetrator was known to Audrey?

I still can't believe that this case hasn't been solved yet! Hopefully LE knows who did it and are just putting a load of solid evidence in place to make sure that there is a conviction. I believe that the noose is tightening!

The first time we heard that the perpetrator was known to Audrey was in the Togy and Schatze article dated 31 Oct 2011.

Together with the new article, it would appear that LE knows the identity, no? I too was wondering how can they determine it was not random, unless they already know the who

- who (maybe - DNA?)
- where (yes)
- when (hopefully - autopsy results?)
- how (most probably - autopsy results? weapon?)
- why (still needed)

One thing detectives have said is that the homicide was not, as police originally speculated, a random attack. That had been the reason police initially urged Audrey’s neighbours to be “vigilant.”
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/617241--if-audrey-gleave-s-dogs-could-speak

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Snoopster:

LE knows who did it and are just putting a load of solid evidence in place to make sure that there is a conviction. I believe that the noose is tightening!


This is exactly what I've been thinking. I believe that LE knows who, where he is, what he's been doing, is following his every move, why he did it, how he did it, his method of getting AG into the garage, etc but LE is waiting to have the tightest case possible so they don't end up with egg on their faces like they did with DLS.

I hope I'm correct in thinking all of this.......:twocents:

ETA: Regarding who and when I'm thinking that LE have phone and/or email records that tell them that AG had agreed to meet the killer in the garage on that ungodly day/night. Or some type of clue as to who and when and maybe even why she met the killer. Now, IF this killer is intellectually smart, he'd have TRIED to erase all mention of the meeting. Hopefully, he missed just one, little thing!