CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[Sillybilly]

billy having to eat a lot of humble pie today (billy prefers pumpkin ) >

from:
http://news.ca.msn.com/ontario/hamilton/audrey’s-story-continues

Phil was polite and radiated an earnest, eager-to-please vibe. A practising Christian, he met his fiancée, Alex, a petite, attractive woman, at church. When they married in June 2010, he convinced Audrey to attend the wedding.

<bbm>

 

[Sillybilly]

Can't recall if we knew this before, but it seems that Sunny***ge addy for BCM / MK is not only for parents but (at some point in time) for maternal gparents as well.

 

[roseofsharon]

It has been written that PK met AG when he was 18 and working at WPE in Dundas and that AG went in frequently and let it be known she was looking for help around her home (paraphrasing).

Up until the time AG met PK, was there another handyman doing chores around the home for A or was she doing the work herself.

Did AG keep her tools/lawn equipment, etc., in her garage. I don't recall seeing a shed or out building on her property.

AG met PK in 2006. Has anything ever been written about neighbours seeing AG on a riding lawnmower, gardening, shovelling snow, etc., etc.

What year did AG's arthritis make it difficult for her to do her own work. I would think it must have been before she met PK.

IMO

 

[Chorley8]

Chorley, Chorley ... I have to apologize re the "missing" as it relates to AG's body. Just stumbled across this as I was searching for something else ... SS Hrab made reference to it as follows:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/595858--who-is-audrey-gleave

Hi and thanks SB yes that is the reference I had in mind BUT don't surrender just yet - it is through the prism of the Spec writer so we don't know for sure the wording is a bit vague. That may be what is meant it seems to be but I am not 100% sure at all.

 

[Sillybilly]

We simply don't KNOW what happened with the cake other than what kinsmapj has told us, but here's a little refresher on how Allan G and PK seem to differ in their interpretation of AG's passion for cooking:

According to Allan Gleave at:
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/307949--vicious-homicide-leaves-retired-teacher-dead

" ... Probably her biggest passion was cooking. She&#8217;d try anything,&#8221; Allan added.

According to PK at:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

So as early as the beginning of November, she told me she didn't want me to purchase anything for her for Christmas, but only to make this cake for her (because, as she often lamented, she was too lazy to make it herself).

 

[Chorley8]

Can't recall if we knew this before, but it seems that Sunny***ge addy for BCM / MK is not only for parents but (at some point in time) for maternal gparents as well.

Umm sorry I (for one) can't understand this not sure if you can add (?)

 

[Sillybilly]

I recall PK saying that AG took some pics of him working around the yard. Just a bit unusual for a senior lady to be taking pics of a handyman at work. Was AG also into photography?

 

[Sillybilly]

Umm sorry I (for one) can't understand this not sure if you can add (?)

The BCM addy was shown on FB:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bad-Company-Motors/149910728393657?sk=info

 

[2soccermom]

We simply don't KNOW what happened with the cake other than what kinsmapj has told us, but here's a little refresher on how Allan G and PK seem to differ in their interpretation of AG's passion for cooking:

According to Allan Gleave at:
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/307949--vicious-homicide-leaves-retired-teacher-dead



According to PK at:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

OK, I see how these things look contradictory. But if you think about them in context: Audrey and Allan had been separated for many years. People often speak about losing motivation to "cook for one" -- for oneself, alone. PK's comment still suggests Audrey had a passion for food, but I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine she would have preferred someone else to bake a cake for her than she for herself ... for Christmas.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

OK, I see how these things look contradictory. But if you think about them in context: Audrey and Allan had been separated for many years. People often speak about losing motivation to "cook for one" -- for oneself, alone. PK's comment still suggests Audrey had a passion for food, but I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine she would have preferred someone else to bake a cake for her than she for herself ... for Christmas.

AG simply could have gone to a high quality baking store and BUY one if she didn't feel like baking one herself. These cakes are EVERYWHERE during the Christmas season!! Or she could have REQUESTED a nice bakeshop to make one especially for her - on the day/time she wanted the cake. A good quality bakeshop would even DELIVER the cake if requested to do so!

:cupcake:

 

[dotr]

Someone so ill that they are brought soup, would not imo, request cake- unless- perhaps, they were expecting a visit from someone for whom it would be a special treat for old times sake...

 

[Sillybilly]

Someone so ill that they are brought soup, would not imo, request cake- unless- perhaps, they were expecting a visit from someone for whom it would be a special treat for old times sake...

Apparently AG had requested it sometime in November, so she would not have been ill then.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I STILL have no idea why the cake had to be from PK/his wife! Surely there are lovely pastry shops in/near Ancaster.

:cupcake: :bang: :nevermind:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Apparently AG had requested it sometime in November, so she would not have been ill then.

But wait - didn't he say that he KNEW AG was feeling unwell at that time?

:nevermind:

 

[flipflop]

I STILL have no idea why the cake had to be from PK/his wife! Surely there are lovely pastry shops in/near Ancaster.

:cupcake: :bang: :nevermind:

I thought I read somewhere that AG said she did not want PK to buy a Xmas gift, but wanted them to bake that certain cake for a gift.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I thought I read somewhere that AG said she did not want PK to buy a Xmas gift, but wanted them to bake that certain cake for a gift.

Yes, that rings a bell. And I THINK we were told that by PK. Apparently his wife is a chef so AG wanted the wife (and him????????) to bake the cake.

My big question is this - IF the wife is a chef and if the wife baked the cake.....why didn't the wife take the cake to AG? Yeah, I know, the wife had to work so............

:nevermind:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

More questions:

- did Audrey usually exchange Christmas gifts with PK?

- or did PK just give AG a gift at Christmas?

- if not, WHY would AG tell PK that this (2010) particular year she'd prefer a cake as a gift?

:christmastree: :gift: :christmastree: :nevermind:

 

[Sillybilly]

But wait - didn't he say that he KNEW AG was feeling unwell at that time?

:nevermind:

In fairness to PK, he did address that in one of his posts:

from:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

This hopefully also addresses my bringing the cake despite the fact that she was sick. Because it was such a long-planned thing, it didn't even register with me that she wouldn't be able to eat it until she was better.

In another post re the cake, PK said something that just now stood out to me:

from:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

Some quick info about the scheduling of time to drop off the cake. I had originally planned to visit AG on Christmas day but she had emailed me a day or two prior to call it off because she was so sick. So, on Christmas day I called her to check in and that's when we set the definite time to get together around 10am on Thursday for me to drop it off. I do find the timing of the vet visit to be an interesting open question&#8230;

<bbm>

I'm not sure the vet visit is an issue, given that we don't know whether AG went directly home from there, but we do know that an email was subsequently sent to Linda F that evening (or at least was read by her that evening). Thinking back to the vet visit, it was also said that AG let the dogs have a run while there. Seems she was comfortable allowing the dogs to run in the presence of the vet (mind you, maybe the vet is used to being bitten? )

ETA: I think we have to conclude that the email received by LF was SENT that evening and not with the email that was sent earlier to PK ... otherwise I doubt LE would have indicated that any last known contact with AG was the evening of the 27th.

 

[Sillybilly]

Actually, I'm not so sure that LE addressed a first and second email with the Amazing Grace link, other than:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/307803--reclusive-lynden-woman-killed-in-vicious-attack

She sent an email to a neighbour last Monday, and that this was the last contact anyone had with her, police said. The electronic message contained a link to an audio or video clip of the song Amazing Grace, according to police.

I could not find any MSM link where LE addressed specifics re the recipient or timing of the emails, other than the rather general reference to their being an email on that date. I trust their forensic dudes / dudettes are on top of investigating that little matter.

 

[Sillybilly]

From my post above, quoting kinsmapj where he explains about the cake:

I do find the timing of the vet visit to be an interesting open question&#8230;

An interesting question i have is why, when addressing the cake issue and the date of his phone call December 25 to rearrange delivery on the 30th, did he feel the need to toss in the December 27 visit to the vet that was unrelated to the cake issue?