CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[No_Stone_Unturned]

And more:

IF Audrey had lost her passion for cooking - WHY did she recently buy a convection oven?

:cupcake:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From my post above, quoting kinsmapj where he explains about the cake:



An interesting question i have is why, when addressing the cake issue and the date of his phone call December 25 to rearrange delivery on the 30th, did he feel the need to toss in the December 27 visit to the vet that was unrelated to the cake issue?

Hey sillybilly - that's a good question! Maybe PK was just on a roll with dates and he tossed another date in? Who knows? :twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I'm concerned - there are fewer and fewer of us posting here. NOTHING from LE. The weather is getting chillier; please God.....let's not forget the murder of Audrey Gleave. Not ever.

lease:

 

[colette]

No one is forgetting Audrey, there is just nothing new to add right now.

 

[Chorley8]

I'm concerned - there are fewer and fewer of us posting here. NOTHING from LE. The weather is getting chillier; please God.....let's not forget the murder of Audrey Gleave. Not ever.

lease:

We should keep one eye on the possibility (even likelihood?) that despite our recent analysis of Audrey's close friends that there is some other aspect to the crime and it is not quite that simple and that explains why LE cannot bring charges. Just to 'bump' three that are at the time of my own list I mean apart from a sexual or financial motive by her compadres there is

1. Someone from her past. Possibly who promised her a visit. This person could be an old friend even a student. Not to mix fact with fiction well ok just for a second in regards to Audrey's case I am a bit haunted for some reason by the plot (sorry I know I said this once before) of Bertolucci's The Conformist there an old mediocre (that is important not a special student) phones a prof and says he would like to see him. The prof reluctantly agrees, invites him over. The old student is a lure and the prof is then assassinated. Political motive (in this case right wing against left wing). In Audrey's case the motive could be personal or political but they key thing might be that it is not anyone apparently who stand out - possibly someone you would never think would be smitten with love or hate for Audrey. Teachers can have an effect on students that the teacher isn't aware of.

If the motive is political-technological it is not impossible that one or more of her friends could play a witting or unwitting part.

2. We don't know what Audrey did on her computer exactly. She may have dug up some dirt on someone it is not out of the question she would find that satisfying. Could be someone she knows or someone she doesn't.

3. Sorry I am in a hurry so this is a bit messy. Not to get wild with speculation but it is not impossible that Audrey had some link still to Chalk River days and/or the little reactor in Hamilton which I think S.Billy here pointed out is so important to Chalk River. Although the FBI contractor who wrote a book claiming materials were stolen from there was sued by McMaster and had to retract his story that law case never had to get into whether the figures named by him were ever actually at Hamilton going to school or not as far as I can tell that is far from impossible. See Wiki article on Anas Al Liby for that story and just to repeat I believe the university sued the suggestion materials were stolen from the reactor there was no need for them to disprove or prove the presence of these figures in Hamilton. NOT to say there is any link to Audrey just to give some idea of the possible importance of Hamilton.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Regarding the "phoning a prof" scenario - was Audrey's phone number listed? Many teachers have unlisted numbers to avoid students from calling at all hours. Even once teachers are retired, some like to keep their phone numbers private.

Do we know - was AG's number unlisted?

And was she as adamant about keeping her phone number as private as she was about keeping her e-mails private?

 

[2soccermom]

Interesting suggestions, C8. It does seem rather striking, doesn't it, that AG apparently indicated she feared she would be sexually assaulted and murdered in her home. I know lots of women who have a generalized sense of fear (they are careful to lock their homes at night, may not prefer to walk alone after dark) but if it is true this was a particular fear for Audrey, its specificity is highly unusual. She was, by a few accounts, secretive about her past. She didn't let a lot of people get close. I think many of us assumed her reluctance to let people inside her house may have been related to her private nature or issues of hoarding. But maybe the refusal of entry was a strategy of self-protection related to this fear? She had two big, protective dogs. She loved them. But I am also thinking perhaps she felt she needed them -- I mean, beyond hope for general protection, but because of a deeply-entrenched fear?

We know she didn't allow her emails to be forwarded or for people to use her "real name" -- other than Bary or Baryon -- in communications with her (I think that was from the Jon Wells story?). She liked to work on viruses -- trying to debug them. Was she worried about someone who might trace her electronically?
When did she get the dogs -- both, at the same time?

Has the first hubby -- when she was 16 -- been located and questioned? Did the marriage dissolve because she was so young when she first married, or? Were there any issues in terms of her safety? What did/does he do for a living -- was it in science, technology or intelligence? Is he still alive? Does anyone know why she married so young in the first place -- was there something she was seeking "protection" from? (I know it ws more common for women to marry young in AG's day than now -- but still).

 

[Chorley8]

Regarding the "phoning a prof" scenario - was Audrey's phone number listed? Many teachers have unlisted numbers to avoid students from calling at all hours. Even once teachers are retired, some like to keep their phone numbers private.

Do we know - was AG's number unlisted?

And was she as adamant about keeping her phone number as private as she was about keeping her e-mails private?

I will check that out near future hopefully this weekend. You would expect her to have an unlisted number but we'll see. Of course if someone has a "hit" of whatever kind on Audrey it would be easy to get her number.

2 Soccer yes the first husband....that should be searchable too. I will be going to Hamilton for the day soon will try to fit that in.

 

[dotr]

Interesting science teacher, wonder if AG happened to know (of) him?
http://amymihaljevic.blogspot.ca/2012/06/breaking-dean-runkle-tied-to-nature.html

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I will check that out near future hopefully this weekend. You would expect her to have an unlisted number but we'll see. Of course if someone has a "hit" of whatever kind on Audrey it would be easy to get her number.

2 Soccer yes the first husband....that should be searchable too. I will be going to Hamilton for the day soon will try to fit that in.

:doh: Sorry Chorley but I'm unable to understand what you mean by the part I've bolded here! Do you mean that the first husband played soccer? Taught soccer? Loved soccer? Was a soccer coach? :doh:

 

[Sillybilly]

:doh: Sorry Chorley but I'm unable to understand what you mean by the part I've bolded here! Do you mean that the first husband played soccer? Taught soccer? Loved soccer? Was a soccer coach? :doh:

No, Chorley was responding to soccermum's post :floorlaugh::great:

You just gave me my second roflmao of the day ... the first was when i found myself in another thread, disagreeing with another poster ... and sticking my tongue out at their avatar in the process. Not the most mature moment of my adulthood.

Note to self: "Things to do Thursday: get a life"

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

OK, I get it now!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[61Montcalm]

Hi everyone, I have read this thread with great interest and it took me a while to read everything you've all posted. Great work!

One thing that sets off my hinkymeter is that Audrey had e-mailed her neighbor that she did not feel safe outside her home at night without her dogs. I wonder what sparked that feeling? Did she observe something from inside the house, or was she outside at some point before her murder and had to hurry inside to escape danger? I would think that if she observed someone she knew on her property (PK, the neighbours, their son etc...), she would not have felt scared in the least and would instead have demanded at once to know what they thought they were doing.

As for the Camaro, Audrey's car would have been one of the first on Canadian roads as the car only went into production a short while before GM got into financial trouble. So it would have certainly grabbed people's attention. They were quite diffcult to find initially (here in BC at least) as the supply was so limited. The car is more common now - I drive a 2010 Camaro SS and it still attracts attention. So perhaps someone was after the car? Maybe something scared them away so that is why it was not taken. But if they were prepared to brutally murder Audrey to get at the Camaro, couldn't an intruding neighbour have been dealt with in the same way? And how would the thief know that the dogs were not on the loose?

I find it interesting that Audrey dropped a highly promising career in physics to become a teacher and by that I mean no disrespect to teachers. Is it possible that she saw or found out about something at Chalk River that she shouldn't have? Did she maintain contact with anyone who worked there?

The other thing that I find quite strange are the mailboxes or letter boxes being smashed-up.

Was there someone from Audrey's past that thought she could be a potential threat - as in revealing potentially personally damaging information?

Lastly, some of you have stated that her anscestors came from the Baltics. I'm sure that is true, but MOO but her maiden name sounds like it originates in Eastern Ukraine rather than the Baltic states. But I could be wrong there. FWIW I spelled it as it woud be written in Russian Cyrillic and googled it - the name does occur in the Russian language and is spelled Довейко. This may be a trivial point though. I would not find it hard to beleive at all that Audrey's father was a naturalised Ukrainian, Byelorussian or Russian who left the Baltics in the 1930s, but I am wandering off topic.

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that Audrey was such an accomplished and talented woman, who worked hard for what she had and should have been able to enjoy a long and healthy retirement with her dogs, Camaro and beautiful home. Sadly, this was brutally taken away from her. I'd lilke to know who did that and see them punished to the full extent of the law.

MOO:moo:

61Montcalm

 

[dotr]

Hi everyone, I have read this thread with great interest and it took me a while to read everything you've all posted. Great work!

One thing that sets off my hinkymeter is that Audrey had e-mailed her neighbor that she did not feel safe outside her home at night without her dogs. I wonder what sparked that feeling? Did she observe something from inside the house, or was she outside at some point before her murder and had to hurry inside to escape danger? I would think that if she observed someone she knew on her property (PK, the neighbours, their son etc...), she would not have felt scared in the least and would instead have demanded at once to know what they thought they were doing.

As for the Camaro, Audrey's car would have been one of the first on Canadian roads as the car only went into production a short while before GM got into financial trouble. So it would have certainly grabbed people's attention. They were quite diffcult to find initially (here in BC at least) as the supply was so limited. The car is more common now - I drive a 2010 Camaro SS and it still attracts attention. So perhaps someone was after the car? Maybe something scared them away so that is why it was not taken. But if they were prepared to brutally murder Audrey to get at the Camaro, couldn't an intruding neighbour have been dealt with in the same way? And how would the thief know that the dogs were not on the loose?

I find it interesting that Audrey dropped a highly promising career in physics to become a teacher and by that I mean no disrespect to teachers. Is it possible that she saw or found out about something at Chalk River that she shouldn't have? Did she maintain contact with anyone who worked there?

The other thing that I find quite strange are the mailboxes or letter boxes being smashed-up.

Was there someone from Audrey's past that thought she could be a potential threat - as in revealing potentially personally damaging information?

Lastly, some of you have stated that her anscestors came from the Baltics. I'm sure that is true, but MOO but her maiden name sounds like it originates in Eastern Ukraine rather than the Baltic states. But I could be wrong there. FWIW I spelled it as it woud be written in Russian Cyrillic and googled it - the name does occur in the Russian language and is spelled Довейко. This may be a trivial point though. I would not find it hard to beleive at all that Audrey's father was a naturalised Ukrainian, Byelorussian or Russian who left the Baltics in the 1930s, but I am wandering off topic.

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that Audrey was such an accomplished and talented woman, who worked hard for what she had and should have been able to enjoy a long and healthy retirement with her dogs, Camaro and beautiful home. Sadly, this was brutally taken away from her. I'd lilke to know who did that and see them punished to the full extent of the law.

MOO:moo:

61Montcalm

Welcome to WS Montcalm and thanks for a great post!

 

[LilyMacBloom]

Welcome to WS Montcalm and thanks for a great post!

Ditto!!!!!!!!

 

[dotr]

Reposting from Jan. /11 So what happened tuesday and why take away the car?


http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...e-warn-public-after-horrific-killing-of-woman
"The last email Ferguson received from Gleave was on Monday night, when she passed on a link to a version of “Amazing Grace.”

That is the last time police believe anyone who knew Gleave had contact with her.

No neighbours reported seeing or hearing anything suspicious over the past few days. But the Fergusons’ dogs suddenly began barking wildly around 2:30 a.m. Wednesday.

On Friday, Hamilton police and OPP were searching Gleave’s property, which is surrounded by dense forest, with a cemetery on one side.

OPP loaded what neighbours said was Gleave’s white Camaro car onto a truck and took it away."

 

[Sillybilly]

One thing that sets off my hinkymeter is that Audrey had e-mailed her neighbor that she did not feel safe outside her home at night without her dogs. I wonder what sparked that feeling? Did she observe something from inside the house, or was she outside at some point before her murder and had to hurry inside to escape danger? I would think that if she observed someone she knew on her property (PK, the neighbours, their son etc...), she would not have felt scared in the least and would instead have demanded at once to know what they thought they were doing.

<rsbm>

Welcome Montcalm, and thanks for a great post

WRT the above, i'd like to know ... how recently AG said that to her neighbour, and how recently she told David G that she feared she would be raped and murdered in her own home, and how those two stated fears relate to each other timewise. To our knowledge, this is not something she shared with PK:

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/595858--who-is-audrey-gleave

Unlike his brother, David had been in touch with Audrey in recent years. He remembered something she once told him.

Audrey had said she feared she would one day be raped and murdered in her home.

Also, one doesn't casually drop this into a convo about the weather or about Christmas, etc ... surely she said something else to DG that bookended that ominous and foretelling remark?

 

[Sillybilly]

One thing that sets off my hinkymeter is that Audrey had e-mailed her neighbor that she did not feel safe outside her home at night without her dogs.

<rs&bbm>

So the flip side seems to be that she felt safe outside WITH her dogs. Given that her dogs were confined inside the home, this indicates that either she was outside with no sense of impending danger, or she was killed inside her home with the dogs confined for some reason.

IF AG had stepped outside for a smoke at any time, I doubt she would have had her furbabes confined inside the home, rather they would have been outside with her, or if inside, would have had the usual run of the house if AG was there alone.

IMO, the dogs were confined FOR SOME REASON !! and it wasn't that AG usually crated them at night or locked them in a separate room. For an elderly woman who lived alone in a large house in such a rural area, who had expressed fears about her safety at any time, her dogs were her ultimate safety net. IMO, they would NOT have been confined inside her home unless there was someone else in the home with her who didn't like dogs or who they did not like.

I still don't get the feeling that this horrendous crime was related to the theft of widgets (car, garage items, etc) ... from what we can glean, there was overkill which usually indicates a crime of passion, and property crimes, even those that went sideways, would not normally have a "sexual component" to them.

All MOO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

The post above by sillybilly touches on something I said and felt a long time ago! I think AG was killed inside her home and dragged out to where PK found her body. I also think the killer sent the videos. I think the killer was willingly allowed into Audrey's home and it all went very bad.
Premeditated? Probably.
:moo:

 

[Sillybilly]

The post above by sillybilly touches on something I said and felt a long time ago! I think AG was killed inside her home and dragged out to where PK found her body. I also think the killer sent the videos. I think the killer was willingly allowed into Audrey's home and it all went very bad.
Premeditated? Probably.
:moo:

I also strongly feel that AG was killed inside her home, but can't explain why she would be found in the garage with her coat on.

Re the email vids .. if PK received his email on the morning of the 27th, then it is very likely AG sent it because we know she was alive later that day (LV brought soup and AG and dogs went to the vet). Again, it is possible that AG sent it to PK and LF at the same time, and Lyn didn't open her email until that evening. I find it strange however that AG did not send that same email to her coffee clatch friends, LV, John H, et al.

Also, PK received emails regularly from AG and he indicated he last spoke with her on Christmas Day. Knowing she had not been well, i have to wonder why he hadn't tried to contact her to see how she was in the days before he found her body. When he received the email on the 27th, any return emails, i.e."hey bary, thanks for the email ... how are you feeling ... are we still on for Thursday ..."?