CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #6

[Woodland]

I agree 100% with you sillybilly - AG's Trustee had all her financial matters in hand lickety split and filed accordingly.

 

[Woodland]

Is the mailbox and the associated 'story' a distraction? Ie look here, not over there? What was the point in advising the media about that when a brutal murderer needed to be found?

 

[roseofsharon]

Regarding A's mailbox and (according to PK), A obtained the part she needed through theft (stolen) :what: and imo, PK relaying this story is demeaning.

It wasn't necessary to even repeat this story. What purpose did it serve ..... only to make people who knew A maybe change their opinion of her, which to me, hits below the belt.

The poor woman was brutally murdered, so why take the focus off of that fact.

IMO

WL, your post was fresh in my mind and I agree with all you said!!

 

[roseofsharon]

It would be interesting to know from autopsy report the contents of A's stomach, i.e. last meal eaten?

 

[Sillybilly]

Woman's torso found in Kitchener garbage bin:

Woman's torso found in Kitchener Ont. Canada garbage bin - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Woodland]

Re-posting this article from the Simcoe Reformer dated 4 Jan 2011 as a reminder that initial reports were, LE believed AG was killed 3 days before her body was found.

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2011/01/04/police-mum-on-homeless-mans-arrest-2

Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Re-posting this article from the Simcoe Reformer dated 4 Jan 2011 as a reminder that initial reports were, LE believed AG was killed 3 days before her body was found.

http://www.simcoereformer.ca/2011/01/04/police-mum-on-homeless-mans-arrest-2

Police believe she was murdered three days earlier, and have ruled out as a suspect the man who discovered her body.

Of course LE "ruled out the man who found her" because they firmly had their sights set on DLS! :waitasec:

However, the part I do believe is that Audrey was killed days before the handyman found her dead body.

 

[Woodland]

Found something to clarify a few points that have come up recently. Thread #1, page 5, post #114.

Someone is quoting 'Suzie' (not her real name), a friend of LV and acquaintance of AG -

'The dogs were very mean and were barracked in the kitchen. Suzie said that when Lynn visited A. would use a fly swatter to keep them at bay...'

'On Dec 23 Suzie was invited as well as another lady to Lynn's. Suzie was certain that A. would be a no show because A. had not seen Suzie or this other lady for about the last 7 years and was not at all surprised A. said she was ill. Suzie believed A. would have been been uncomfortable not having kept up.'

'A. carried all her important papers in her purse. Her purse was still in the house, undisturbed.'

'A. wouldn't hurt a fly.'

There are other points there, found the above most interesting.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sorry for another in a row, but I'm thinking here (always a dangerous thing for me to do!).

So......IF Audrey was killed three days before 30th December, that puts her death/brutal murder at 27th December.

I think we do need the soup recipe! :blushing:

And......back to the timeline we go..............

 

[Woodland]

Was AG guarding her cyber identity (using baryon, no forwarding with her address etc) due to a child possibly coming forward after all these years?

Children that have been adopted often want to locate a bio parent when they become adults. Maybe AG feared she could not handle that situation if it happened?

If so, I don't think AG would have put the 'child' clause(s) in her Will. I do think if someone made the Will for her and knew of a child from the past, that person might be inclined to add it in to 'cover off' that point. Jmo.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Was AG guarding her cyber identity (using baryon, no forwarding with her address etc) due to a child possibly coming forward after all these years?

Children that have been adopted often want to locate a bio parent when they become adults. Maybe AG feared she could not handle that situation if it happened?

If so, I don't think AG would have put the 'child' clause(s) in her Will. I do think if someone made the Will for her and knew of a child from the past, that person might be inclined to add it in to 'cover off' that point. Jmo.

Let's go with the theory that Audrey did have a child when she was a teenager herself.

QUESTIONS:

1. How would having had a child as a teen be associated with her brutal murder?

2. Audrey held bad feelings towards her own mother. Could the mother have been the person who (in a fit of rage/despair) said to a young Audrey - Getting pregnant.....you deserve to be raped and murdered for this!

3. Or, was the child the product of a rape? And near murder?

4. How would all of this add up to Audrey being brutally killed at age 73?

5. Who would have known about a child of Audrey's?

:twocents:

 

[roseofsharon]

That is very interesting that LE believe AG had been dead three days prior to being found. How long does it take a human corpse to emit decomposition odour. When PK opened the garage door, was there any odour?

AG's eyes were apparently open and dark. I read that when a person dies, their eyes go whiteish and blue.

 

[Woodland]

Would be surprised a possible teen pregnancy had anything to do with this.

If there was a child that AG had distanced herself from, the only people to know are those AG mentioned it to.

I wonder if the first married name shown recently was from an actual marriage. Married and living with your parents as a student but the husband is not listed at that address?
Am in the process of creating a family tree - skeletons everywhere. Unregistered marriages, unregistered births, 11 and 12 year-olds suddenly showing up on a census unaccounted for 10 years prior, one unregistered death - all dating back to 1869 when records became mandatory. Stuff happens.

 

[LeftCoaster]

That is very interesting that LE believe AG had been dead three days prior to being found. How long does it take a human corpse to emit decomposition odour. When PK opened the garage door, was there any odour?

AG's eyes were apparently open and dark. I read that when a person dies, their eyes go whiteish and blue.

ITA, ROS! Granted it was chilly at the time around there (I can personally vouch, since I lived <20 km west of the house on Indian Trail then), but had Audrey died three days prior to discovery, it would be reasonable to think PK would have clued in to her being quite deceased without approaching her body, never mind looking for a pulse. (There's also that nagging item about the sexual component being instantly obvious from the way the body was contorted, per PK description). And the description of "dark eyes," unless that's JW using a bit of poetic licence, bothers me for the same reason. Dark and clouded?

Back a bit, someone suggested a setup of PK where Audrey had been killed and staged with the intent that it would seem PK was caught red-handed. Really, that's about the only way dark, piercing eyes would be a possibility, isn't it? I'm going to go with the neighbours' dogs going nuts in the wee hours of the 29th until LE finds out otherwise. JMO, as always.:twocents:

 

[Hazel]

ITA, ROS! Granted it was chilly at the time around there (I can personally vouch, since I lived <20 km west of the house on Indian Trail then), but had Audrey died three days prior to discovery, it would be reasonable to think PK would have clued in to her being quite deceased without approaching her body, never mind looking for a pulse. (There's also that nagging item about the sexual component being instantly obvious from the way the body was contorted, per PK description). And the description of "dark eyes," unless that's JW using a bit of poetic licence, bothers me for the same reason. Dark and clouded?

Back a bit, someone suggested a setup of PK where Audrey had been killed and staged with the intent that it would seem PK was caught red-handed. Really, that's about the only way dark, piercing eyes would be a possibility, isn't it? I'm going to go with the neighbours' dogs going nuts in the wee hours of the 29th until LE finds out otherwise. JMO, as always.:twocents:

Anyone has a link to PK's mention of "the way the body was contorted"?

When I first read his posting, I remember thinking he meant contortion cause by "rigor mortis". I would like to read again what he wrote. Hopefully, the 3 threads will be back soon.
<<snipped>>

A few hours after a person or animal dies, the joints of the body stiffen and become locked in place. This stiffening is called rigor mortis. Depending on temperature and other conditions, rigor mortis lasts approximately 72 hours. The phenomenon is caused by the skeletal muscles partially contracting. The muscles are unable to relax, so the joints become fixed in place.

Rigor mortis can be used to help estimate time of death. The onset of rigor mortis may range from 10 minutes to several hours, depending on factors including temperature (rapid cooling of a body can inhibit rigor mortis, but it occurs upon thawing). Maximum stiffness is reached around 12-24 hours post mortem. Facial muscles are affected first, with the rigor then spreading to other parts of the body. The joints are stiff for 1-3 days, but after this time general tissue decay and leaking of lysosomal intracellular digestive enzymes will cause the muscles to relax.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/biochemistry/a/aa061903a.htm

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Wouldn't LE be able to tell the time of death (within a window of about 12 hours) from the lividity of the dead body?

Lividity is the way blood pools in a downward manner once death has happened.

 

[LeftCoaster]

Anyone has a link to PK's mention of "the way the body was contorted"?

When I first read his posting, I remember thinking he meant contortion cause by "rigor mortis". I would like to read again what he wrote. Hopefully, the 3 threads will be back soon.
<<snipped>>

Your wish is my command, Hazel! Here's the link to PK's account of the scene:
Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2 - Page 17 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[LeftCoaster]

Oh, and this is the post where (near the end), PK tells us the 'sexual component' of the scene was readily apparent:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130816&page=11

Thank you so much shadowraiths for this post. Regarding the sexual component, suffice it to say that it was visually obvious by observing the crime scene. AG never mentioned visiting any websites other than those you've mentioned. Finally, regarding the tidying, AG never gave me the slightest impression that it was for any other reason than simply recognizing she was getting older and wanting to purge some of her things. I believe I've mentioned before that in her last year, AG and I talked a few times about what would happen after she was gone.

bbm

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

^^^^^^ This is such a contradiction by the handyman. He 'thought Audrey slipped on some ice' and, oh by the way, she was sexually assaulted! :waitasec:

And what exactly did the handyman and Audrey talk about regarding "after she was gone"?

This is absurd.....are we truly expected to believe it all?

 

[Woodland]

Equally perplexing is post # 582, page 24 of thread #2.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

'... Why did she email me to tell me she was going??'

PK is referring to the discrepancy in AG telling him she was going to the coffee group 'come hell or high water' and emailing the coffee group to say she wasn't coming.

PK's post that outlines AG's e-mail to him regarding going to the coffee group has been deleted. PK has 19 posts, but I can only find 18. If you delete one of your posts, are your posts then re-numbered to reflect how many you have made?

See post #507 - seems that deleted post had been copied there at one time.