CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

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  • #441
AG's dogs were found crated in the house - there has to be a reason for crating them in the first place. We know from LV and PK through MSM and postings here that they were both wary of the dogs.

We don't know if JV was ever at AG's, if he was there over that holiday and or if he was wary of AG's dogs.

Letting someone in that was wary of the dogs would be one reason to crate the dogs. Surprising someone in the garage seems to defeat having German Sheppards - crated.

It follows that AG let the perp(s) in - expecting the visit and crated the dogs accordingly. Imo.

I've had German Shepard's in the past and they are very, very protective. I had small children at the time and the dog would not let anyone near them. It was almost like he was on duty.
 
  • #442
There is one bit of info that would be worth having imo - available through public record but likely hard to find. Not impossible though.

The person arrested for this crime and released (no need imo to refer to his name at this point) was seen in the men's room of a bank with a knife tucked into his pants (waistband?) prior to AG being discovered in her garage. He was arrested and jailed for having a concealed weapon in a public place, then charged for AG's murder. He also happened to be staying in a barn close to AG's property. He had issues and was known around Brantford and beyond.

No DNA was found linking him to AG's crime, according to his lawyer. He didn't leave DNA at the scene and AG's DNA could not have been found on his knife.

That was so coincidental and convenient imo. Who reported seeing him in the men's room of the bank with a knife?
 
  • #443
AG was found in her garage - rain etc would have no bearing on the scene.

That is where footprints should have been found if a stabbing (especially if it was 12 times) occurred. According to PK, he saw nothing in the way of prints. How can one walk away, if they were up close and personal, leaving no trace if blood was present?

Not doable imo.

Unlike PK, I would like an answer to that question. To clarify - PK stated he did not need an answer to what happened to AG, only his memory of her.

Sound like the stabbing was post mortem?
 
  • #444
There is one bit of info that would be worth having imo - available through public record but likely hard to find. Not impossible though.

The person arrested for this crime and released (no need imo to refer to his name at this point) was seen in the men's room of a bank with a knife tucked into his pants (waistband?) prior to AG being discovered in her garage. He was arrested and jailed for having a concealed weapon in a public place, then charged for AG's murder. He also happened to be staying in a barn close to AG's property. He had issues and was known around Brantford and beyond.

No DNA was found linking him to AG's crime, according to his lawyer. He didn't leave DNA at the scene and AG's DNA could not have been found on his knife.

That was so coincidental and convenient imo. Who reported seeing him in the men's room of the bank with a knife?

I always felt that the murderer knew of this man and knew LE would zero right in on him. I think AG may have discussed this person with the murderer, therefore, providing the perfect scapegoat in the muderer's mind. imo
 
  • #445
I'm still not that familiar with this case but could the killer/killers have been after her car? Is it possible that she surprised someone in the garage and after she was killed the dogs caused such a ruckus that they left???

Highly unlikely because:

- there was no forced entry to the garage
- only AG and one other person knew the garage code
- please read way back where I describe how difficult (read impossible) these cars are to steal.
 
  • #446
I agree completely with ROS and this kind of answers Woodland's question - I highly suspect the killer(s) reported seeing this gentleman with the knife.

The man with the knife (I believe) was planned to be the scapegoat for the killer(s). He's the perfect fit - a tad odd, has had his problems, carried a knife.....so BINGO, he must have killed her.

There's a huge prejudice out there against those who don't march to our drummer and there's also a huge prejudice out there in favour of those who are seemingly 'respectable, intelligent, married, have good jobs'....... on and on.

:twocents:
 
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I agree completely with ROS and this kind of answers Woodland's question - I highly suspect the killer(s) reported seeing this gentleman with the knife.

The man with the knife (I believe) was planned to be the scapegoat for the killer(s). He's the perfect fit - a tad odd, has had his problems, carried a knife.....so BINGO, he must have killed her.

There's a huge prejudice out there against those who don't march to our drummer and there's also a huge prejudice out there in favour of those who are seemingly 'respectable, intelligent, married, have good jobs'....... on and on.

:twocents:

DLS seemed like a pretty good Patsy, didn't he?

I would like to know if LE has proof that DLS received the knife from his Dad for Christmas, or did someone send it to DLS indicating it was from his Dad?

Would also like to know what friend or neighbour reported that DLS used to ride his bike past Audrey's place, and yes ... who reported DLS with the knife in his waistband at the bank.
 
  • #449
Pondering victimology, and reading this article:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/profiling/victimology/2.html

This stood out to me:

The offender was dubbed the "Granny Rapist" by the media, for reasons which should be obvious ...

In examining the victimology in this case, the victims' ages and current living arrangements meant that the odds of this occurring by chance were very slim indeed, suggesting that the victims had been pre-selected. It was felt that older victims had been selected because they were more easily controlled and were less likely to have visitors at those early morning hours. Also, the fact that he had stolen a set of keys, duplicated, then returned them signalled his intention to return at a later date ...
<bbm>

Bear with me ... I recently had occasion to call LE about a person who arrived at my home. I had not heard a knock or heard the doorbell, but my big male shepherd was barking loudly. I got to the door within about 30 seconds, and there was a fellow outside the gate (which is about 15 feet from the door). As this stranger started to enter the gate, I put my hand up in a "stop" signal (maybe even said "don't come in"), but he entered anyway (he knew I had closed the door and the dog was inside). First thing he said "I see you have an alarm .. is it working"? Long story, but we had words, and i sent him on his merry way, then called LE about a suspicious character.

I know the officer who arrived, and my dogs did not bark when he opened the gate, but did as soon as he rang the bell. We concluded that suspicious dude had come in the gate, knocked once or rang the bell ... and took off outside the gate AS SOON AS HE HEARD A BIG DOG.

Audrey's neighbours dogs were heard barking. Why did nobody hear Audrey's dogs barking wildly at a stranger, let alone as she was being attacked? IMO, Audrey's dogs would have barked loudly at a stranger -- and a stranger would have left. This example reaffirms to me that Audrey and her dogs knew her attacker. Maybe the dogs barked somewhat until they recognized the vistor or Audrey told them it was okay ... just good ol' whozit.

In order to target or "pre-select", you have to know something about your target. I believe Audrey's attacker knew she lived alone, knew she would not have company, knew she had dogs, knew she would get the dogs under control, etc. and I don't think Audrey's case was a crime of opportunity.

PS: My vehicle, parked in the driveway outside the gate, was stolen a few days later. Not a peep from the dogs who were in the bedroom at the back of the house. It was recovered, trashed, dude arrested when he came back to the trashed vehicle, LOL ... dummy. I don't know yet if it is the same guy who was at my house.
 
  • #450
You guys are back! WooHoo! :seeya:
 
  • #451
Hey bessie - cool avatar! :seeya:
 
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  • #453
Quoted from SB's post:

In order to target or "pre-select", you have to know something about your target. I believe Audrey's attacker knew she lived alone, knew she would not have company, knew she had dogs, knew she would get the dogs under control, etc. and I don't think Audrey's case was a crime of opportunity.



Agree wholeheartedly.
 
  • #454
Condolences to the family of Staff Sergeant Ian Matthews.

A tragic loss for the community.
 
  • #455
Such a tragedy, may he rest in peace.

My condolences to his family, friends, and colleagues.
 
  • #456
Aww, RIP Mr. Matthews.

Condolences to his family.
 
  • #457
There is one bit of info that would be worth having imo - available through public record but likely hard to find. Not impossible though.

The person arrested for this crime and released (no need imo to refer to his name at this point) was seen in the men's room of a bank with a knife tucked into his pants (waistband?) prior to AG being discovered in her garage. He was arrested and jailed for having a concealed weapon in a public place, then charged for AG's murder. He also happened to be staying in a barn close to AG's property. He had issues and was known around Brantford and beyond.

No DNA was found linking him to AG's crime, according to his lawyer. He didn't leave DNA at the scene and AG's DNA could not have been found on his knife.

That was so coincidental and convenient imo. Who reported seeing him in the men's room of the bank with a knife?

This older news link with good video, was probably posted a long time ago, but not that I recall seeing. Also a bit about the man who was cleared.. plus, " Gleave's reclusive lifestyle supports the idea that the killing was random"

http://www.chch.com/one-less-suspect-in-gleave-murder-mystery/

"One man has been ruled out as a suspect in Audrey Gleave&#8217;s murder.

He&#8217;s the one neighbours say did odd jobs around the retired schoolteacher&#8217;s house. He&#8217;s also the same person who found the 73 year old on Thursday morning. As Amanda Blitz reports, police now seem to be targeting their investigation at a homeless man who was spotted in the area.

There is an all too familiar scenario here. In the last four months, three women have been viciously attacked in their own homes drawing striking similarities."
 
  • #458
Not sure how this post will fly - I don't get the following quote from the video above -

Paraphrasing - 'AG's reclusive lifestyle supports the notion that a stranger caused her harm or death.'

I'm not a trained psych, but please don't ask me to follow or believe that. There is no quote from an 'expert' regarding that statement, so I feel free to give my own opinion based on other cases I have read about.

Whoever did this knew very well what AG's lifestyle was - inside and out. AG was conned, imo, into what she did - crating her protective dogs and letting someone she knew into her home.

We can't just look at the circumstances leading up to the crime, we have to look at the aftermath as well. Who benefited from what appears to be a no forensic evidence crime?

Would prefer to hear where the reporter above got her info.

Are we faced with a case that could be solved with more resources but those resources have been refused due to things like $700 mil in a cancelled gas plant and other ridiculous wasted money in Ontario that lined the pockets of Ontario politicians?

I'm an athiest, but God bless SS IM. I hope his family will find peace someday. I choose to think he saw the bigger picture.
 
  • #459
Maybe they thought since she was living alone in an isolated home she might have made more of a target. Especially if someone followed her home, drawn by that beautiful car.
 
  • #460
So 'they' knew AG lived alone .... how?

And the dogs were crated because .....?

AG was going to the coffee group then cancelled because .....?

Imo, whoever got away with this so far, knew the situation with no ???? This in not the case because ......? Every scenario needs a how the crime was accomplished - not just speculation with ????. With all due respect of course.
 
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