CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[Chorley8]

I wonder if Audrey was ever into having photos of her dogs taken?

 

[Chorley8]

Dotr asked few pages ago if rural property towards SC I mentioned was a ranch. Not that I know of...could be....it is a large property as far as I can tell from the map have never been there. Old farms and lots of modern acreages people by up. Wish I drove too expensive for a taxi.

 

[roseofsharon]

I was thinking how AG was delaying PK's visit by five days ...

- outside funeral home, PK said he and AK were going to stop by AG's on xmas day, but that she hadn't been feeling well before xmas and so asked him to drop by on Thursday (paraphrasing)

- on Monday, AG emails PK, (subject line "Report") telling him she thinks she has a secondary infection (this would further delay a visit)

- in the same email, AG lets PK know she still wants to attend her coffee group on Wednesday (imo another day that would not be a good day for a visit)

IIRC, PK said AG was not feeling well before xmas, so quite a few days go by before AG wanted PK to stop by.

I wonder if Dr. DC was correct about the day AG picked up the vitamins for her dogs.

imo

 

[Chorley8]

Happy New Year Folks!

I agree, "I've a fever" is so odd! Sounds like an old Englisher to me, not an educated teacher.
By now LE would have finger prints from her keyboard, if not the perp could have had gloves on, if he/she were thinking.... If.... The emails were in fact sent by someone other than Audrey.

Best to you all in 2014!

Well she was a science teacher and possibly a kick- informal get to the point kind of teacher. Trouble is we just don't know how she spoke. This would have been an excellent question to ask P.K. here. Or if he ever wants to answer in future. It is really tough for us to know.

 

[roseofsharon]

Agree with everything you say. But just to make sure things stay as complicated as possible (LOL) I would have to leave the door open to the possibility of the email being from Audrey.....the goal being to keep everyone away and to make it seem she is taken care of. So she would be avoiding people for the most part but using the "sick" excuse was worried she would be tended to. The slightly "off" nature of the email might be because it is insincere and she is faking, just in the normal way people manage their affairs all the time.

Why? Idea would be she was meeting someone "special" (does not have to be romantic). This went awry or she was tricked into meeting her killer.

I remember there was a poster here that knew Audrey or at least knew of her old golf club and claimed there was someone Audrey did NOT want to see just before Christmas. Maybe we need to bring that back into things?

Also thinking of Rose Sharon's idea of her being followed. And thinking of their research of her going to the vet possibly AFTER LV's visit. She could have picked this person up for example in Ancaster or thereabouts and driven them herself into the garage.

Or awaited them of course. But her coat on....that has always been the problem and Rose Sharon's idea of her being followed (or I guess waiting for them outside in the cold) makes sense of this.

Do me know if weather conditions would have allowed LE to look for carprints other than Audrey's and P.K.'s?

If none then they have to be waiting for her or as per RS's excellent idea they have to follow her - or as I am suggesting she has to drive them to her house herself.

This is an interesting angle Chorley and since AG didn't even tell LV she had friends in the same neighbourhood as her friend LV, she would definitely keep meeting a new friend to herself imo.

Theory: AG may have met someone at the Lynden library, as she liked to go there once a week.

imo

 

[Chorley8]

I am pretty sure Collins was not sure of the date of the visit from Audrey.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

IIRC, Audrey took the dogs with her to pick up the vitamins. Camaros do have back seats, but they are very cramped back seats. The back seats are more like places to put your purse, a bag of groceries, etc. I've driven Camaros and getting one person in the 'back seat' is a chore. The person in the so-called back seat has to sit sideways in order to be comfortable.

So, it would make more sense IMO that someone followed Audrey home from the vet place. Having two dogs in the back seat and a passenger in the front seat would be very cramped. Camaros are race cars rather than family vehicles.

:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong direction. LE often says "Know your victim and you'll find your killer". Let's look at AG's world from within. Here's where we know she went:

- coffee group
- library
- Costco
- vet
- LV's house
- Mohawk College
- golfing
- bought a convection oven, TV, lawn mower
- bought a car


Am I missing any place?

:twocents:

 

[Sillybilly]

Well she was a science teacher and possibly a kick- informal get to the point kind of teacher. Trouble is we just don't know how she spoke. This would have been an excellent question to ask P.K. here. Or if he ever wants to answer in future. It is really tough for us to know.

In Audrey's last email to PK, it is interesting that she said she would make her Weds coffee group "come hell or high water", but there was no mention at all about the cake, or confirmation that it was to be delivered Thursday morning.

ETA: Do we know if the cake was referred to in the email Audrey sent to PK prior to Christmas when she indicated she was ill? If not, then the only mention of the cake at all is in PK's claim that he spoke with Audrey Christmas Day and re-scheduled the delivery to the following Thursday.

 

[colette]

Maybe we're looking at this from the wrong direction. LE often says "Know your victim and you'll find your killer". Let's look at AG's world from within. Here's where we know she went:

- coffee group
- library
- Costco
- vet
- LV's house
- Mohawk College
- golfing
- bought a convection oven, TV, lawn mower
- bought a car


Am I missing any place?

:twocents:

Her bank (and possible drive thru ATM for cash)

 

[Sillybilly]

There was that pic of Audrey taken at what appeared to be a fast-food place. I don't think we ever determined whether a McDs or Timmies, etc .. or where that was.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

IIRC, the only mention about the cake delivery is in PK's claim that he spoke with AG and they decided on a day and time for the delivery.

And I still want to know where the cake ended up. PK told us that LE took the bench; we saw LE taking the car. Where was the cake left or taken to?

:dunno:

 

[Sillybilly]

Thinking of Audrey in terms of victimology, a couple of things come to mind as it relates to whether or not she knew her attacker:

- she was not in sleep attire, so presumably she was not awakened by an intruder
- had she suspected an intruder, I'm sure she would have let her dogs loose
- she seemed to be aware of a potential danger to her as expressed by her "raped and murdered" comment and her expressed fear of going outside alone at night without her dogs

IMO, because Audrey already had her guard up wrt possible dangers, and was more than likely awake and alert when her killer attacked, and her guard dogs were confined elsewhere ... she was not blitz attacked by a stranger, but more than likely conned by someone known to her.

FWIW, I'm not convinced that Audrey was really that much of a "nighthawk". Her usual weekly coffee at LV's (as recently as Dec 26th) was said to be 9:30 am; her first email to PK on the 27th was there whenever he first opened his email that morning; her second email to PK was timed 10:46 am. Although older people typically get less sleep, I doubt that she stayed up that late if she was able to be up and about, getting herself together and sending emails and visiting at a reasonable time of the morning. IOW, I'm not convinced that Audrey was killed at night, but possibly during the daytime when she would have been less suspicious of a visitor.

Okay ... I think I'm rambling here

 

[SideKick]

Thinking of Audrey in terms of victimology, a couple of things come to mind as it relates to whether or not she knew her attacker:

- she was not in sleep attire, so presumably she was not awakened by an intruder
- had she suspected an intruder, I'm sure she would have let her dogs loose

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- she seemed to be aware of a potential danger to her as expressed by her "raped and murdered" comment and her expressed fear of going outside alone at night without her dogs

Sillybilly,
Off hand, who did A say that comment to? I do recall it, but am lazy ...:blushing:
Would it be a coincidence that the comment to whomever, and then it actually did happen to Aud....
I'd be saying whoa! My friend Aud commented on such a thing...and this is how she died!
Perhaps who she said it to, suddenly had idea's?

 

[Sillybilly]

Sillybilly,
Off hand, who did A say that comment to? I do recall it, but am lazy ...:blushing:
Would it be a coincidence that the comment to whomever, and then it actually did happen to Aud....
I'd be saying whoa! My friend Aud commented on such a thing...and this is how she died!
Perhaps who she said it to, suddenly had idea's?

The "raped and murdered" comment was to her BIL, DG ... IIRC (can't find it right now) her fear expressed re going outside without the dogs was to a neighbour about a month or so before she was killed.

ETA: found it ...

from:
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...y-gleave-s-murder-and-neighbours-are-anxious/

Ferguson said there was an e-mail about a month before her death in which Gleave described not wanting to go outside at night without her two big German shepherds.

 

[SideKick]

Where is the rape/murder comment to her BIL?

Living rural as A did, I understand her comment about not wanting to go outside without her dogs as a single woman.

 

[Sillybilly]

Where is the rape/murder comment to her BIL?

Living rural as A did, I understand her comment about not wanting to go outside without her dogs as a single woman.

It's in all the earlier threads

Audrey lived there for 30 some-odd years and 1 month before she is killed, she expresses that concern in an email to a neighbour that she hardly ever communicates with by email?

 

[SideKick]

It's in all the earlier threads

Audrey lived there for 30 some-odd years and 1 month before she is killed, she expresses that concern in an email to a neighbour that she hardly ever communicates with by email?

Thank you!
I find it very coincidental she would pass away the way she may have thought she would. Stranger things have happened in life to people but how many say it and live it? No pun intended...

 

[dotr]

Who was hanging around that area at night making Audrey uncomfortable without her dogs?
Who was going out of their way ( it would seem) to smash her mailbox, after all it is not like she lived downtown or near a bar or even a school ?
Why would someone who can manipulate and fix computer viruses be so concerned about her email when Audrey no doubt could block/fix or change her email?
Why was she adamant about being addressed as Baryon instead of Audrey,when probably everyone she knew was aware of her nickname?

 

[SideKick]

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Allen her x talks about A's paranoia..

Also, her mother DISAPPEARED after husband passed! I forgot that!