CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

[No_Stone_Unturned]

We've never been able to find out where she bought her vehicle. Her friends and Jon Wells might have that answer.

And isn’t this odd in and of itself?

 

[Gina20]

i googled the GM dealership on Lynden Road. They sell new Cadillacs and used Camaros. Was her car brand new when AG got it. Do we even know?

I can tell you who would know everything about her vehicle: Service Ontario, her insurance company and the police. I do hope the police assigned to Audrey's murder look up the vehicle abstract for her Camaro, in light of this theft ring.

Let me say it again. This theft ring could be responsible for Audrey's murder. I have no idea how long this group has been operating, but the police do. Which dealership sold the Camaro to Audrey? Where did they register it? Who was the agent who processed the registration, and are they linked to a group of car thieves?

 

[Gina20]

How do we wake up a dormant murder investigation?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

How do we wake up a dormant murder investigation?

Good question. Years ago, I contacted a Detective who had a TV show about Ontario murder cases, cold cases. But he never responded to my request.
I had never thought of these recent carjackings as being related to AG. But now, I can see it being possible. And the people involved are ruthless.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Another question - there once was a time when a person could make a note of a licence plate and learn the identity of the owner. Was that possible to do in the year AG was murdered?

 

[Gina20]

Good question. Years ago, I contacted a Detective who had a TV show about Ontario murder cases, cold cases. But he never responded to my request.
I had never thought of these recent carjackings as being related to AG. But now, I can see it being possible. And the people involved are ruthless.

Carjacking is violent. This is a whole other level, one step away from murder.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Another thought. Was the illegal street racing we’re seeing today prevalent in AG’s time?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Carjacking is violent. This is a whole other level, one step away from murder.

In a few cases, it did end in near murder. Extremely violent people.

 

[Gina20]

In a few cases, it did end in near murder. Extremely violent people.

Juveniles have been involved in the recent spate of highly-public carjackings. Experienced thieves know when to cut their losses in terms of potential jail time for a higher level of crime. Inexperienced juveniles, on the other hand, might be willing to take more risks due to the potential for fewer consequences as minors: young and more dangerous, IMO.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoting the FBI guy in AG’s case - « look young and look close ». Referring to the post above about juveniles.

 

[Gina20]

Another thought. Was the illegal street racing we’re seeing today prevalent in AG’s time?

Shelby hauled onto tow truck by cops in Brantford

Heard some sad news for a Shelby owner in Brantford today, was told by a colleague at work that during lunchtime on the 403 in Brantford they pulled a Shelby over and then ended up putting it on a tow truck and hauling it away. Speculating that maybe they got caught speeding in their radar traps...

www.fordgt500.com

 

[Gina20]

This unrelated historical murder was solved with DNA. Surely Audrey's case deserves attention.

Police use DNA to identify Mary Hammond's suspected abductor and killer

BRANTFORD – Brantford police say the 1983 disappearance of Mary Hammond has been solved thanks to DNA evidence and the man responsible is a deceased former…

simcoereformer.ca

 

[Gina20]

Quoting the FBI guy in AG’s case - « look young and look close ». Referring to the post above about juveniles.

Was street racing on Audrey's road the reason for the damaged mailboxes? Or was that just something the young and bored did for entertainment? Maybe antagonizing people is fun to juveniles with nothing else to occupy their time.

 

[Gina20]

Nowadays, Ancaster is a gathering place for street racing enthusiasts.

Street-racing group stages ‘mega meet’ in Hamilton amid COVID-19 restrictions | Globalnews.ca

Hamilton police say no fines were issued during the impromptu "mega meet" in the Cineplex Ancaster parking lot, but say an investigation is underway to identify the organizers of the event.

globalnews.ca

 

[musicaljoke]

And isn’t this odd in and of itself?

No, it is not odd that the general public doesn't know where the vehicle was purchased. Dealerships often put their sticker on the vehicle, so that would make the info public. If there are photos of the vehicle, you could scan them for such a sticker. Without the sticker, this information would be personal and private.

 

[Gina20]

Nowadays, Ancaster is a gathering place for street racing enthusiasts.

Street-racing group stages ‘mega meet’ in Hamilton amid COVID-19 restrictions | Globalnews.ca

Hamilton police say no fines were issued during the impromptu "mega meet" in the Cineplex Ancaster parking lot, but say an investigation is underway to identify the organizers of the event.

globalnews.ca

Popular locations for street racing in Hamilton are provided by people unhappy with the situation.

Hamilton residents fed up with drivers street racing - CHCH

Hamilton mountain residents are fed up with drivers "street racing" in their neighbourhoods, so they've taken it upon themselves to "call them out"

www.chch.com

 

[musicaljoke]

Another question - there once was a time when a person could make a note of a licence plate and learn the identity of the owner. Was that possible to do in the year AG was murdered?

You could request the record from the Ministry of Transportation. I believe this has been in place for several years, including the year that AG was murdered. The report does not give personal address information.

Report containing the most recent owner of a plate as of specific date. This information is retrieved using the plate number. Contains owners name, vehicle description, plate, validation sticker number, permit number including date of issue and status information. It does not contain any Personal Address Information. Plate Search - Recent Owner |Transportation Information Productions System (TIPS)

 

[Gina20]

No, it is not odd that the general public doesn't know where the vehicle was purchased. Dealerships often put their sticker on the vehicle, so that would make the info public. If there are photos of the vehicle, you could scan them for such a sticker. Without the sticker, this information would be personal and private.

It is odd that in this situation we don't know where Audrey bought her car. We know minutiae such as a vintage cake recipe from a vintage 1970s cookbook, and the domed-lid cake keeper it was stored in. We know so many things, but not the provenance of the vehicle, which could be an important piece of the puzzle in this murder. So none of Audrey's friends who brought soup and fruit bread -- sorry, cake in a domed-lid Tupperware cake keeper, would you like the recipe? -- know where she bought that Camaro. They can fill you in on the "purchase" of a replacement mailbox, though. Not even a reporter who followed Audrey's story for years thought to mention it. Now that's strange.

 

[Gina20]

It is odd that in this situation we don't know where Audrey bought her car. We know minutiae such as a vintage cake recipe from a vintage 1970s cookbook, and the domed-lid cake keeper it was stored in. We know so many things, but not the provenance of the vehicle, which could be an important piece of the puzzle in this murder. So none of Audrey's friends who brought soup and fruit bread -- sorry, cake in a domed-lid Tupperware cake keeper, would you like the recipe? -- know where she bought that Camaro. They can fill you in on the "purchase" of a replacement mailbox, though. Not even a reporter who followed Audrey's story for years thought to mention it. Now that's strange.

All I can think is that the provenance of the vehicle is so key to Audrey's murder that all parties were told by police not to mention it, or face legal action. Thoughts?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I also agree that NO ONE noted where the car was purchased is odd. And ALL dealerships put their name on the car - usually on the licence plate holder. So, now I’m wondering if Audrey DID buy it from a dealership OR privately like on Kijiji. In my opinion, Kijiji would be dangerous for a single woman to deal with.
Food for thought.