Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1

[liz b.]

This, exactly. I've been reading things on here like "Barry would never do this" or "Barry seems like the kind of guy who would...", but really, you people know nothing about Barry, Honey, or what was going on in either of their minds. I understand how the family feel, my own brother killed himself a few years ago and I thought the same thing. When somebody does something like this, more often than not most people around them never saw it coming because they tend to hide their pain. Usually the only person that might have any clue is the spouse, and in this case the spouse is gone. With my brother, nobody saw it coming. Parents, children, siblings all thought he was the happiest most upbeat person they knew. So, to me anyway, its almost laughable when someone says "Barry wouldn't do that". You have no idea what you are talking about. The only people that have a grasp of what went on, who aren't biased by emotion, are the police, and they obviously see this as a suicide. This was NOT a mob hit. This was not a vendetta by estranged family. Lets take off our tinfoil hats and have some respect for these people. Kinda feels like some people are using this tragedy to play some sort of sick detective game. :maddening:

No. Not playing any games. This is mostly what we do here on this site, speculate about what we consider to be possibilities. It always leads to people expressing diverging ideas.This is a moderated site, and we have TOS which posters are required to adhere to. I can say from long experience that posters on WS often have personal experience of crime in their lives. They try hard to show respect for the deceased and their families.

 

[matou]

I'm not sure how I feel about the whole memorial thing being televised and prominent people there such as the Prime Minister of Canada. One of the dead is likely a murderer. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I clearly saw the knees bent and the upper torso bent forward (upward on the gurney).

I'm scouring other videos to see if I can find it elsewhere. I gasped when I saw it.

Image at link.

I noticed here that the body does not look flat/horizontal.

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/americas/1.829326

 

[Jasper52]

Screenshot of flat body. I'm guessing this to be Honey.

Source: https://www.cp24.com/news/pharma-gi...-barry-and-honey-sherman-found-dead-1.3723714

 

[liz b.]

Discussing Barry Sherman's cousins' lawsuit, Murray Rubin, a longtime friend of the couple, tells the CBC show As It Happens, "Barry told me ... he gave them millions, and they blew the money."

Rubin added that he had met the cousins — and that he doesn't believe they would "go to this length" over their dispute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...spicious-deaths-of-billionaire-toronto-couple

"I'll be honest with you: I have no idea who could do this. But obviously, somebody just hated him. Not only him — Honey, too," Rubin said.

When asked if he was certain that the couple had been murdered, Rubin said:

"Let me tell you, I am absolutely confident that he was murdered. Barry would not harm a fly. He wasn't physical. And Honey loved what she was doing. And Barry is quite open, he was open with me. He never told me that he had problems with Honey, that it would be a murder-suicide. I think it is completely out of character."

If this was a murder, it could have been done by someone who has sociopathic tendencies. Could be someone who had met both of them, possibly not someone in their immediate circle. The murders and the staging were based on some internal facet of the killer. jmo

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

so sad ... comments from Honey's sister. ... now comments from twin nephew & niece.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm not sure how I feel about the whole memorial thing being televised and prominent people there such as the Prime Minister of Canada. One of the dead is likely a murderer. JMO

We don't know if one was murderer or not. In any case, this is also Honey's memorial service, and she seems like she was beloved by many.

jmo

 

[deugirtni]

Discussing Barry Sherman's cousins' lawsuit, Murray Rubin, a longtime friend of the couple, tells the CBC show As It Happens, "Barry told me ... he gave them millions, and they blew the money."

Rubin added that he had met the cousins — and that he doesn't believe they would "go to this length" over their dispute.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...spicious-deaths-of-billionaire-toronto-couple

"I'll be honest with you: I have no idea who could do this. But obviously, somebody just hated him. Not only him — Honey, too," Rubin said.

When asked if he was certain that the couple had been murdered, Rubin said:

"Let me tell you, I am absolutely confident that he was murdered. Barry would not harm a fly. He wasn't physical. And Honey loved what she was doing. And Barry is quite open, he was open with me. He never told me that he had problems with Honey, that it would be a murder-suicide. I think it is completely out of character."

From the link above. I have to admit that when I first heard that their home was on the market, the first thing I thought of was a separation. I haven't read enough to know why the home was for sale or what the plans were, so may be way off base. I find it disturbing that so often it seems to be reported that there was no sign of forced entry. I'm hoping LE aren't basing any reasoning on that. jmo. It seems to be terrible terrible timing in regard to the cousins and the lawsuit and etc.

The couple died after listing their house for sale, part of a plan to move into a larger property; the Globe and Mail reports that a second Toronto house was recorded in Honey Sherman's name last year.
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Police have said that while the circumstances of the deaths of one of the wealthiest couples in Canada are "suspicious," the Shermans' house showed no sign of forced entry; they've said that they aren't looking for suspects.
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"A judge dismissed the case in September as an abuse of process, but court records show they filed an appeal a month later,"
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[Tillicum]

We don't know if one was murderer or not. In any case, this is also Honey's memorial service, and she seems like she was beloved by many.

jmo

You're right, we don't know yet but it would be horrible to learn later that the murderer was honored alongside his victim in a memorial service. I'm not saying he's a murderer just that it's a possibility at this time.

 

[Elley Mae]

From the link above. I have to admit that when I first heard that their home was on the market, the first thing I thought of was a separation. I haven't read enough to know why the home was for sale or what the plans were, so may be way off base. I find it disturbing that so often it seems to be reported that there was no sign of forced entry. I'm hoping LE aren't basing any reasoning on that. jmo. It seems to be terrible terrible timing in regard to the cousins and the lawsuit and etc.

With all the law suits against sherman & company seems smart to put home in her name.

 

[deugirtni]

When I first heard that they Shermans were found dead I immediately thought of the cousins. I thought the cousins may have something to do with it. However, I have just read all the posts on this thread and have changed my mind. I think it was a murder/suicide. Barry killing Honey, then himself. Family never want to believe it's suicide. It's easier for them to accept their love ones have been murdered.

On a side note, I'm aware of one of the Apotex lawsuits. IMO, Apotex were ruthless in their pursuit. The main parties on the other side of the lawsuit were forced into bankruptcy. When I have more time I'll try to find the case and post.

I'm having difficulty accepting the murder/suicide theory. I know that anyone, given the right set of circumstances for each, can lose it, no matter if they were that type, or always gentle, would never hurt a fly, etc. If it *were* murder/suicide, it surely would have been a 'crime of passion', done in the heat of a horrible moment.. and if so, then why go to the trouble of making it appear to be different than it was? ie I have read that it is suspected that H's body was moved. If B did this to H, and then played around for a day, thinking about what to do, how to hide it, what to make it look like, etc., before taking his own life.. I just can't see it.. anyone could have come over, dropped in, called, etc. I feel so badly for the family. What a tear jerker listening to their son speak at their funeral. I'm so glad that they have the means to hire an independent investigator. I wouldn't want to accept the preliminary results of the police investigation either. No matter what the circumstances, it's very sad.

 

[kemo]

I have a friend whose father died under “ suspicious circumstances”. The medical examiner ruled suicide and that ended any police investigation. My friend is convinced that his father would never have killed himself; he had too much to live for. He knows his father had enemies but he thinks the police didn’t bother to do a thorough investigation.

From what I can tell, It certainly could have been suicide but, I suppose someone could have killed him and staged it to look like like suicide. I haven’t read the report or anything so I really don’t know.

My friend has limited means so there is no way he can hire a big name lawyer or a first class detective agency to conduct a private investigation. He doesn’t trust the police so he is in a situation where he is sure he is right but can not prove it. I feel bad for him.

Hopefully the Sherman family will not be in that situation as they have the means to fully investigate and the political clout to make sure a proper investigation is done in the first place. We will have to see this through. Hopefully everyone concerned with be satisfied with the resolution.


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[deugirtni]

With all the law suits against sherman & company seems smart to put home in her name.

Yes absolutely. It's just how it hit me.. do we know anything about why the move, where they were moving, etc?

 

[Jasper52]

This screenshot doesn't show what I saw on TV today but it does show a body that is bent. This didn't make me gasp like the video I saw this morning.



Source: https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1286145

ETA: The video has been pulled so I got the ss just in time.

 

[Tortoise]

No. Not playing any games. This is mostly what we do here on this site, speculate about what we consider to be possibilities. It always leads to people expressing diverging ideas.This is a moderated site, and we have TOS which posters are required to adhere to. I can say from long experience that posters on WS often have personal experience of crime in their lives. They try hard to show respect for the deceased and their families.

Out of interest, has there ever been a case anyone can recall where the husband who murdered his wife staged her death as an identical suicide to his own?

It sounds as if they were restrained by their jackets in identical fashion, whereas if he did hers first his self-restraint might not end up being as easy to achieve as hers, with his arms behind him.

 

[Gardenista]

Jumping off my quote here. They've taken the video down. It was titled "Investigators remain at the Sherman residence" by CP24.com with today's date. If you click on the video, it goes to another video showing the Conference Centre.

the body is at the end of the video

 

[Dodsworthy]

I read in a brief the security camera in the pool area was disabled. I also get the impression they were quite litigious. Maybe some one got tired of being sued.

 

[Elley Mae]

Yes absolutely. It's just how it hit me.. do we know anything about why the move, where they were moving, etc?

Bigger house, closer to town.



The Toronto Star reported on Tuesday that the home was the subject of several lawsuits, with the couple suing its builders, managing to recoup $2-million in 2006, according to court documents. The Star also reported that the couple was planning to move into a bigger home, citing property records showing a house in Toronto’s downtown Forest Hill neighbourhood was transferred to Ms. Sherman in 2016.

https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/12/2...tawa-reacts-deaths-barry-honey-sherman/129368

 

[Tortoise]

I'm still :fence: but can anyone remember how old Douglas Garland was when he committed the murder, transportation and burial of 2 adults and a child (bless that family)?

54 yrs

 

[Jasper52]

the body is at the end of the video

That is the flat body we believe to be Honey. It's not the body I saw today.