Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[Tighthead]

I thought it was a male, but I don't remember why I thought so.

Another point made was that nobody was asked to hold a copy of Honey's will on her behalf. If true, no lawyer was involved in making a will for her, or as required, has never reported having a copy.

Only the original will matters. A lawyer may well have a copy, but when the original can’t be located the general legal presumption is that the testator revoked it by destruction.

 

[dotr]

This article was posted on another thread, seems appropriate to bring it here.
A Shocking Number of Killers Murder Their Co-workers
Rene Chun October 2018 Issue
"In “Red Collar Crime,” published in the International Journal of Psychological Studies in 2015, Perri describes a few dozen fraud-related homicides and attempted homicides that he researched in detail. Consider Aaron Hand, the former president of American Financial Group who plotted a $100 million mortgage fraud. After he was jailed, Hand tried to hire hit men to silence an informer. His quotes read like dialogue from a Scorsese movie (“I wish I was there to watch him suffer”)."

"How many office psychopaths turn violent is less clear: The FBI doesn’t track red-collar crime, nor does osha. Richard G. Brody, another CFE and an accounting professor at the University of New Mexico, sometimes trawls the web for murder trials involving white-collar defendants, and has become convinced that red-collar crime is more prevalent than most people suspect. Detectives don’t always spot such homicides, he told me, so crime scenes may be contaminated and murders may pass for suicide. “Whenever I read about high-profile executives who are found dead, I immediately think red-collar crime,” he said. “Lots of people are getting away with murder.”
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[casesensitive]

Only the original will matters. A lawyer may well have a copy, but when the original can’t be located the general legal presumption is that the testator revoked it by destruction.

Excerpt:
"However, it sometimes happens that the Deceased (or some other person) has lost the original Will. In that case, a copy of the Will may be accepted; however, validating such a copy will require an application to the Court. "

Legal Matters–Missing the original copy of a Will? How to proceed

 

[ldlager]

Near the end of the above posted video, @ 10:50 approx. one thing caught my attention and wondering if it is accurate..
The person who apparently was promised money from HS. was stated in the video to be a female. Granted, this is a cartoon, but the information generally is consistent with what is believed to be "known".
Unless i missed it, cannot seem to recall the gender of the person stated elsewhere.
fwiw, speculation.

I recall it being a female, with speculation that it was either barrys sister or honeys sister

 

[MistyWaters]

According to the Judge it appears by July 31, 2017 both wills were located. Because if Honey’s Will was missing there’d be no known bequests left to beneficiaries. I believe the Judge. But if Donovan had chose to consider what’s written in this legal decision to seal the estate files, I suppose he’d have no scandalous story to write months later, during the long dark days of Dec, 2017.

“36] I have carefully reviewed the two estate files with an eye to determining whether there are parts of them that could be disclosed without revealing, directly or indirectly, the names, addresses or bequests left to beneficiaries of either estate or the names and addresses of the trustees. I have come to the conclusion that there is simply no meaningful part of either file that could be disclosed after making the number of redactions necessary to satisfy those conditions.”
CanLII - 2018 ONSC 4706 (CanLII)

 

[Tighthead]

According to the Judge it appears by July 31, 2017 both wills were located. Because if Honey’s Will was missing there’d be no known bequests left to beneficiaries. I believe the Judge. But if Donovan had chose to consider what’s written in this legal decision to seal the estate files, I suppose he’d have no scandalous story to write months later, during the long dark days of Dec, 2017.

“36] I have carefully reviewed the two estate files with an eye to determining whether there are parts of them that could be disclosed without revealing, directly or indirectly, the names, addresses or bequests left to beneficiaries of either estate or the names and addresses of the trustees. I have come to the conclusion that there is simply no meaningful part of either file that could be disclosed after making the number of redactions necessary to satisfy those conditions.”
CanLII - 2018 ONSC 4706 (CanLII)

I don’t think that confirms there is a will. Judges use exhaustive language, often using the same verbiage as statutory or common law authority. The judge would write that without wanting to reveal if there is even a will in existence.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don’t think that confirms there is a will. Judges use exhaustive language, often using the same verbiage as statutory or common law authority. The judge would write that without wanting to reveal if there is even a will in existence.

Judges have no reason to use exhaustive language to circumvent the truth.

“In the weeks following the discovery of Honey and Barry Sherman’s bodies last December, there was a vigorous search for an important document — Honey Sherman’s will.”
Where is Honey Sherman’s will? | The Star

The above article was published December, 2018, a year after the deaths. It might be correct “in the weeks following the discovery” no Will was found but what of a year later? Time does not stand still.

 

[Tighthead]

Judges have no reason to use exhaustive language to circumvent the truth.

“In the weeks following the discovery of Honey and Barry Sherman’s bodies last December, there was a vigorous search for an important document — Honey Sherman’s will.”
Where is Honey Sherman’s will? | The Star

The above article was published December, 2018, a year after the deaths. It might be correct “in the weeks following the discovery” no Will was found but what of a year later? Time does not stand still.

They do have reasons to be exhaustive. To mirror statutes and caselaw, to cover future contingencies, and for precedential value. No truth is being circumvented. That’s a massive assumption. Furthermore, Barry left a valid will, so the word bequest is appropriate to his estate.

I recall you were the poster who imagined a lawyer showing up in court, with no client and no instructions, acting for the estate. You offered it as a possibility but said you had no clue how it could actually happen. So I’m going to ignore your speculation on estate matters.

To determine that their is a valid, probated because of the non specific use of bequest doesn’t hold up to scrutiny if you read the judgement as a whole.

The article you cite in support of your positionsays that a lawyer told the court there was no will for Honey. This is in the proceeding to seal the probate files, which this judgment you cite flows from.

So in your opinion, there is a will, because time marches on. This means that the lawyer was lying to the Court, and the judge supported this lie and you have caught them all because of the word bequest.

Explain in detail why the lawyer would lie about the existence of the will. What advantages are gained?

 

[MistyWaters]

They do have reasons to be exhaustive. To mirror statutes and caselaw, to cover future contingencies, and for precedential value. No truth is being circumvented. That’s a massive assumption. Furthermore, Barry left a valid will, so the word bequest is appropriate to his estate.

I recall you were the poster who imagined a lawyer showing up in court, with no client and no instructions, acting for the estate. You offered it as a possibility but said you had no clue how it could actually happen. So I’m going to ignore your speculation on estate matters.

To determine that their is a valid, probated because of the non specific use of bequest doesn’t hold up to scrutiny if you read the judgement as a whole.

The article you cite in support of your positionsays that a lawyer told the court there was no will for Honey. This is in the proceeding to seal the probate files, which this judgment you cite flows from.

So in your opinion, there is a will, because time marches on. This means that the lawyer was lying to the Court, and the judge supported this lie and you have caught them all because of the word bequest.

Explain in detail why the lawyer would lie about the existence of the will. What advantages are gained?

Over my speculation on estate matters, you’ve written a rather lengthy ignore!

On the topic of Donovan’s report, there’s at least 3 points that stand out about his article which raise questions.
1. It was written 6 months after the alleged “proof”.
2. The “proof” is not supported by the original source.
“(In an email interview this week, Youdan said he was referring in court only “to the facts as known in the public sphere.” He said he was not revealing details about the order of death, the status of wills, or whether or not an individual had a will. He did not elaborate.).
3. The title concludes with a question mark. That Honey had no Will is not a statement of fact, it’s only a conclusion a reader may choose. Furthermore its obvious even Donovan doesn’t know the answer to his question and he wouldn’t as the estate file was sealed by the Judge in June of 2018.
Where is Honey Sherman’s will? | The Star

 

[dotr]

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[MistyWaters]

Apotex heir: A drug titan’s son steps in at a company in transition

The above link is subscriber only, unfortunately so the best I can do is to briefly summarize what I’ve read, based on my opinion. The date is also Dec/18 and it indicated 90% of Apotex is owned by a trust controlled by the four Sherman children. (The other 10% is held by employees). Apotex is being run by a four-person Board, one of who is JS who has stepped forward to honour his father’s wishes.

In the past JK recalls he and Barry spoke about the reality of the company being sold in the future but the difficulty faced is preservation of the approximately 2,000 domestic manufacturing jobs, mostly in Ontario. The reality that one cannot rule from the grave is noted.

No sensationalism, scandal or controversy mentioned by the Globe and Mail whatsoever —- a totally opposite slant than reports published by The Star.

 

[casesensitive]

Apotex heir: A drug titan’s son steps in at a company in transition

The above link is subscriber only, unfortunately so the best I can do is to briefly summarize what I’ve read, based on my opinion. The date is also Dec/18 and it indicated 90% of Apotex is owned by a trust controlled by the four Sherman children. (The other 10% is held by employees). Apotex is being run by a four-person Board, one of who is JS who has stepped forward to honour his father’s wishes.

In the past JK recalls he and Barry spoke about the reality of the company being sold in the future but the difficulty faced is preservation of the approximately 2,000 domestic manufacturing jobs, mostly in Ontario. The reality that one cannot rule from the grave is noted.

No sensationalism, scandal or controversy mentioned by the Globe and Mail whatsoever —- a totally opposite slant than reports published by The Star.

Thanks for your summary. It sounds like a pretty straightforward article about Barry's son's involvement in Apotex and an update on what is happening at the company, and what Barry's vision was for Apotex's future. I don't imagine that this Globe and Mail reporter has been investigating the Sherman murders, so I wouldn't expect any murder reporting. There is little opportunity for sensationalism, scandal or controversy in a basically business article.

 

[JayFriend]

Canadian Drugmaker Apotex Weighs Sale Amid Interest

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

What is Apotex doing with the more than 1500 ongoing court processes in case of a sale?

 

[MistyWaters]

What is Apotex doing with the more than 1500 ongoing court processes in case of a sale?

What’s the source of 1,500 ongoing court processes? That’s a gigantic number as their website indicates the company produces only about 300 generic pharmaceuticals.

 

[casesensitive]

I don’t know either but considering Apotex had 10,000 employees, as President and CEO I think it would’ve been many years since Barry last worked in the lab.

rsbm

Excerpt:
"Although Barry Sherman had stepped down from his chief executive role at Apotex in 2012, he remained the company’s chief formulation officer up until his death, according to Berman. ‘He was in the office six or seven days a week, but actively involved in a specific role,’ Berman states."
Apotex chief executive steps down amid tumult at generics firm

 

[Satchie]

What exactly are you thinking? I have a hard time believing that an experienced team like Greenspan's would say that the video is too grainy to make an identification, yet TPS seems to have done just that. Greenspans team would undoubtedly have access to anyone that would have had any business at that house. So either, Greenspan is playing stupid and knows exactly who that person is, or Saunders is being untruthful when he says that TPS had identified and spoken to the person.

Coming late to this issue, but I think police most likely identified this person through the real estate lock box code they would have had to use in order to open the front door.

Edited to add, or the person simply came forward to police as soon as the bodies were discovered.

It could have been HS's personal trainer come to do a training session, not sure why propose an affair. Who ever it was wouldn't wait in the home, but call out and text, then wait in the car in case she had slept late or was in the bathroom showering, etc. Just being respectful.

 

[Satchie]

"Although Barry Sherman had stepped down from his chief executive role at Apotex in 2012, he remained the company’s chief formulation officer up until his death’ Berman states."
Apotex chief executive steps down amid tumult at generics firm

Rsbm

This article from a few years ago describes Barry's role as 'Chief Formulations Officer. At that time he was reviewing old formulas: he may not have been up on the newer techniques and formulations like someone recently coming out of university.

"the Founder and Chairman of Apotex, Dr. Barry Sherman, is also our ‘Chief Formulation Officer’! He has more or less designed every solid dose formulation that Apotex has brought to market in the past 43 years of our business. Today, over 80 percent of his time is still focused on designing new formulations. He is a true scientist and we are very fortunate to have him as an asset. A key priority is looking at older formulations – which were developed based on suboptimal manufacturing processes – to simplify them for more cost-efficient manufacturing."
https://pharmaboardroom.com/interviews/interview-jeremy-b-desai-ceo-president-apotex-canada/

 

[ldlager]

Coming late to this issue, but I think police most likely identified this person through the real estate lock box code they would have had to use in order to open the front door.

Edited to add, or the person simply came forward to police as soon as the bodies were discovered.

It could have been HS's personal trainer come to do a training session, not sure why propose an affair. Who ever it was wouldn't wait in the home, but call out and text, then wait in the car in case she had slept late or was in the bathroom showering, etc. Just being respectful.

I think there would have been a single lock box code, not a code for each potential user/visitor. I have seen many single code boxes before. So I don't think the lockbox code would be a unique identifier for any visitor.

 

[MistyWaters]

rsbm

Excerpt:
"Although Barry Sherman had stepped down from his chief executive role at Apotex in 2012, he remained the company’s chief formulation officer up until his death, according to Berman. ‘He was in the office six or seven days a week, but actively involved in a specific role,’ Berman states."
Apotex chief executive steps down amid tumult at generics firm

I’m not sure if the above reply is intended to support Barry working in the Apotex lab? I don’t think so as it mentions he was in “the office” actively involved in a specific role. What that role was, we don’t know but prior to his official role was Chairman of the Board.