CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[Satchie]

His left arm does move. His right arm moves a lot more. Did he have a holster on his left side? Putin moves his non-dominant arm much more than his dominant arm, too.

I agree about the right arm:
I think it could be from a possible variety of causes: past damage, current damage, holding something, poor walking habits, or even onset of disease or aging...

Wouldn't it be great if the homeowner were open to some reconstruction: different sizes, genders, ages, physical conditions, gaits, all dressed in bulky coats and hats, walking briskly past the same camera...

JMO

 

[Sphinx]

I agree about the right arm:
I think it could be from a possible variety of causes: past damage, current damage, holding something, poor walking habits, or even onset of disease or aging...

Wouldn't it be great if the homeowner were open to some reconstruction: different sizes, genders, ages, physical conditions, gaits, all dressed in bulky coats and hats, walking briskly past the same camera...

JMO

When I saw the video of Pres. Putin walking with that gunslinger gait, I understood the night walker's gait a lot more. He may even have a gun, and maybe a very serious automatic weapon under that left arm. Perhaps if challenged, he would have open fired rather than be apprehended. IMO

 

[casesensitive]

The police are not medical professionals, they work together with the Provincial Coroner’s Office who is tasked with determining the cause and manner of death. Autopsy results are not merely shared verbally, as it’s the official autopsy report that is subpoenaed and then form an important part of a complete investigative file, which will go on to presumably support charges when a production takes place. The role of TPS is to investigate a murder case to determine who’s responsible, not to participate in autopsies and decide if a murder occurred.

We know that the police and the coroner's office have specific duties in death investigations. But police regularly attend autopsies (to find out any info ASAP) as did members of TPS (Gnomes and Price) for the Sherman's first autopsies.
Dr. Pickup recorded the cause of death (ligature neck compression) and he hadn't reached a conclusion on manner of death before the second autopsies were performed five days later by Dr. Chiasson.
The official autopsy report was not completed for a month after being done, so obviously, there was "verbal" sharing of some results with LE (and no need for a subpoena) at that time. TPS gave the cause of death in their press release on Dec. 17, one day after the autopsies were performed by Dr. Pickup.

Some of your statements on how police and coroners work together on possible homicides seem to be incorrect imo. I think you missed the point of my questioning why TPS declined to attend the Sherman's second autopsies. If they felt it necessary to attend the first ones, they should have felt it necessary to attend the second ones for the exact same reasons. jmo


Barry and Honey Sherman died of ligature neck compression: Police

Barry and Honey Sherman died of ligature neck compression: Police | CTV News - Toronto
Toronto police have released autopsy details from their investigation into the sudden death of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey Sherman.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
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Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder

Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder | The Star
Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder The Star’s Kevin Donovan’s new book The Billionaire Murders looks at the intriguing lives and mysterious deaths ...
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[juli99]

I agree about the right arm:
I think it could be from a possible variety of causes: past damage, current damage, holding something, poor walking habits, or even onset of disease or aging...

Wouldn't it be great if the homeowner were open to some reconstruction: different sizes, genders, ages, physical conditions, gaits, all dressed in bulky coats and hats, walking briskly past the same camera...

JMO

I've been thinking the same thing. They determined height by some calculations, but wouldn't it make more sense to have people of varying heights do the walk and compare? Or maybe they did?

As an aside, I was at the mall and saw a man walking with what I think was the foot drop gait. There is no way that person I saw could walk for multiple kilometers in the dead of winter. He was struggling with every step.

 

[MistyWaters]

We know that the police and the coroner's office have specific duties in death investigations. But police regularly attend autopsies (to find out any info ASAP) as did members of TPS (Gnomes and Price) for the Sherman's first autopsies.
Dr. Pickup recorded the cause of death (ligature neck compression) and he hadn't reached a conclusion on manner of death before the second autopsies were performed five days later by Dr. Chiasson.
The official autopsy report was not completed for a month after being done, so obviously, there was "verbal" sharing of some results with LE (and no need for a subpoena) at that time. TPS gave the cause of death in their press release on Dec. 17, one day after the autopsies were performed by Dr. Pickup.

Some of your statements on how police and coroners work together on possible homicides seem to be incorrect imo. I think you missed the point of my questioning why TPS declined to attend the Sherman's second autopsies. If they felt it necessary to attend the first ones, they should have felt it necessary to attend the second ones for the exact same reasons. jmo


Barry and Honey Sherman died of ligature neck compression: Police

Barry and Honey Sherman died of ligature neck compression: Police | CTV News - Toronto
Toronto police have released autopsy details from their investigation into the sudden death of Apotex founder Barry Sherman and his wife, Honey Sherman.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
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Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder

Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder | The Star
Barry and Honey Sherman: how the second autopsy revealed it was a double murder The Star’s Kevin Donovan’s new book The Billionaire Murders looks at the intriguing lives and mysterious deaths ...
www.thestar.com
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We really know nothing about the first autopsy. But IMO it would really unusual if the autopsy completed by the Ontario Coroners Office wasn’t able to conclude a double homicide took place, even though the skin was removed from the wrists indicating bindings, and so then another autopsy commissioned by the victims’ family was required to prove it did.

Imagine for a moment the embarrassing implications to a trial, if/when someone is charged. The Ontario Coroner and his pathologist are always important Crown witnesses but if they don’t know that a murder took place, that poses reasonable doubt the accused could’ve committed it. I’ve never believed KD’s (nonsensical) story that the 2nd autopsy was what caused TPS to suddenly hold a PC at the 11th hour announcing a double homicide but if that’s what you believe, I’m not here to change your mind. It annoys me that a writer of his standing doesn’t learn the process, instead he just writes whatever his sources tell him if it’s going to create scandal.

The reason the autopsy from the Ontario’s Coroner Office couldn’t be signed off/concluded IMO for six weeks is because I’m certain toxicology reports were ordered given Barry’s involvement in the generic drug industry. I believe that’s standard in almost every murder case.

JMO

 

[Sphinx]

I've been thinking the same thing. They determined height by some calculations, but wouldn't it make more sense to have people of varying heights do the walk and compare? Or maybe they did?

As an aside, I was at the mall and saw a man walking with what I think was the foot drop gait. There is no way that person I saw could walk for multiple kilometers in the dead of winter. He was struggling with every step.

I agree. I had a relative with this condition, and he walked slowly, as well as being unsteady on his feet at times. In his senior years he needed a cane. There is no way in his forties or fifties he had the kind of long, confident, fast moving stride that the night walker displayed. IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I've been thinking the same thing. They determined height by some calculations, but wouldn't it make more sense to have people of varying heights do the walk and compare? Or maybe they did?

As an aside, I was at the mall and saw a man walking with what I think was the foot drop gait. There is no way that person I saw could walk for multiple kilometers in the dead of winter. He was struggling with every step.

I agree, it’s not drop foot. Drop foot is caused by some type of nerve injury and the result is the foot doesn’t always cooperate with what the brain wants it to do. The suspect might have an uneven gait but at least it’s briskly consistent, not at all an indication of drop foot IMO.

 

[Warwick1991]

I don't think there's a gait deformity. I see a confident, firm stride. I think the sole design of the individual's footwear, and the slipperiness of the paving (snow over ice) may account for any gait disturbances. Tread pattern, tread wear and boot sole material can make a big difference on slippery surfaces, IMO.

 

[dotr]

It has been awhile since watching this re-enactment, gee, if they shoot an updated one, they could put a hat on the "BS'' actor and re-cast him as the "NW'' (Night Walker)!
imo.
Sherman lookalikes 'eerie' as camera crews roll into neighbourhood | Toronto Sun

Actor Peter Softly portrays Barry Sherman for an upcoming news program. Photo by Joe Warmington, Toronto Sun

The Mystery of the Sherman Murders - The Fifth Estate''
Feb 2, 2018

 

[dotr]

Dec 21 2021
HUNTER: Are cops hunting amputee in Sherman double murder? | Toronto Sun''
''Eventually, in 1967, Kimble caught up with the mysterious amputee in one of the most-watched episodes of any TV series.

Now, Toronto Police homicide detectives may be approximating a similar experience.

''Michael Arntfield, a University of Western Ontario criminology professor and cold case expert, told the Toronto Sun that homicide detectives could possibly be dealing with an amputee as the possible killer of the Shermans.''

“I received a phone call from at least one physiotherapist. In their experience, the subject observed in the video is an experienced amputee,” Arntfield said, adding he doesn’t have the expertise to determine the veracity of the tip but wanted to make sure it was passed on to police.

“This would explain what I said when I indicated that given the efforts by the offender to otherwise conceal their identification, knowing full well there is CCTV in the area, he is not hiding how he walks.”

''He added: “And the fact he has a distinct stride or gait… it is either an intentional misdirect or something the offender would be unable to conceal.”

You can cover your face, wear a balaclava, add glasses or a beard. It is difficult to hide the fact you’ve had a leg amputated.''

''Toronto homicide chief Det.-Insp. Hank Idsinga isn’t dismissing the possibility his detectives are hunting an amputee. But he’s not endorsing it, either.

“We’re open to all possibilities,” Idsinga said. “Unfortunately (short of Harrison Ford tackling the suspect) we wouldn’t be able to be definitive from the video alone.”
Dec 20 2021

 

[FromGermany1]

I don't think there's a gait deformity. I see a confident, firm stride. I think the sole design of the individual's footwear, and the slipperiness of the paving (snow over ice) may account for any gait disturbances. Tread pattern, tread wear and boot sole material can make a big difference on slippery surfaces, IMO.

NW night walker doesn't appear to be at all careful for not slipping on ice. IMO

 

[FromGermany1]

We really know nothing about the first autopsy. But IMO it would really unusual if the autopsy completed by the Ontario Coroners Office wasn’t able to conclude a double homicide took place, even though the skin was removed from the wrists indicating bindings, and so then another autopsy commissioned by the victims’ family was required to prove it did.

Imagine for a moment the embarrassing implications to a trial, if/when someone is charged. The Ontario Coroner and his pathologist are always important Crown witnesses but if they don’t know that a murder took place, that poses reasonable doubt the accused could’ve committed it. I’ve never believed KD’s (nonsensical) story that the 2nd autopsy was what caused TPS to suddenly hold a PC at the 11th hour announcing a double homicide but if that’s what you believe, I’m not here to change your mind. It annoys me that a writer of his standing doesn’t learn the process, instead he just writes whatever his sources tell him if it’s going to create scandal.

The reason the autopsy from the Ontario’s Coroner Office couldn’t be signed off/concluded IMO for six weeks is because I’m certain toxicology reports were ordered given Barry’s involvement in the generic drug industry. I believe that’s standard in almost every murder case.

JMO

I was wondering, what would have happened, if the second autopsy hadn't taken place.

 

[FromGermany1]

When I saw the video of Pres. Putin walking with that gunslinger gait, I understood the night walker's gait a lot more. He may even have a gun, and maybe a very serious automatic weapon under that left arm. Perhaps if challenged, he would have open fired rather than be apprehended. IMO

When I saw the night walker, I noticed the remarkable posture: shoulders back, rear part pushed forward. It reminded me of military parades somehow, and even the jagged step with one leg/foot higher up than the other one did fit. When the first member here mentioned soldiers, I almost had to laugh. Exactly that is, what I'm seeing. A russian military style (don't see it on german military).

 

[FromGermany1]

I would love to know if JS has ever had his hand time stamped before or after the night of the murder, and how the cryptocurrency trading is going these days, or has he retired from that.

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[dotr]

The picture when enlarged at the link (Cannot copy/paste pressreader) seems to show more face and if i am not imagining things (pareidolia)- it shows an older man, with longish light or grey hair (possibly a hoodie) and possibly with coat sleeves rolled up at the cuff.
Speculation, imo.
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[juli99]

The picture when enlarged at the link (Cannot copy/paste pressreader) seems to show more face and if i am not imagining things (pareidolia)- it shows an older man, with longish light or grey hair (possibly a hoodie) and possibly with coat sleeves rolled up at the cuff.
Speculation, imo.
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Definitely more face there and the hat seems to be clearly defined. I almost see a beard or is it a light-colored face covering?

 

[WINDSOR]

I would love to know if JS has ever had his hand time stamped before or after the night of the murder, and how the cryptocurrency trading is going these days, or has he retired from that.

'He shared a photo he had taken of his hand on his phone that night, which was dated and had a timestamp of 7:17 p.m. The report noted that the location of his home was also visible in the photo.'

Who does that? Taking that picture prior to the time your parents are murdered. What a coincidence.
I guess if JS took a photo of his hand with a time stamp everyday it could be considered normal behavior. I have a feeling he did not though.

Secondly if the time stamp was for 7:17pm, would he have enough time to drive to or near the Old Colony residence?

 

[WINDSOR]

Can a burner phone bought in a foreign country make international calls to another burner phone in Canada and evade a geofence warrant dragnet?

For enough money anything can be done.

 

[WINDSOR]

When studying the photos and the video of the suspect, you have to ask yourself, is this a professional or an amateur?
If he is a pro you are seeing what he wants you to see. Disguise, deception, obfuscation and subterfuge are all his stock and trade. Look for things that he does not want you to see.

Put yourself in his position. you know you have committed a ghastly crime. You now know you will be walking over a kilometer in a residential neighbourhood that is fairly well light and has cameras everywhere.

How would you proceed?
Would you do anything to make yourself less identifiable? Would you alter your gait from your normal style. Would you wear clothing that is not typical for you? What else would you do? Now realizing you are not a pro, one can imagine to what level the suspect took to make himself unidentifiable.

I am more curious to know where the suspect is going. I also believe he is known to various intelligence agencies, as I doubt this was his first job.
That what I believe the focus should be on.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Curious still about the crime scene and what we know about it.

We review the "staging" in many separate topics that delve into a specific room or item found but when I try to put it all together it makes little sense to figure out what the staging was to "tell".

It must be assumed that the pool room area had an inference that this could be a domestic situation and no outside influence.

Via sources within the home, we know that papers regarding new and old homes were found and the cell phone in the upstairs powder room area. These items were "moved " they both were picked up off the floor and placed on a counter/ledge.

Just these 2 things make it seem odd with the staged pool room scene. Why go to all the trouble of getting down to the pool room, an area that is seldom entered, and set up the bodies in this manner and then leave those items on the floor?

What else was cleaned up (footprints on marble floors) or moved by staff in the house before LE took over the scene?

To our knowledge, Sherman house staff did not question or consider panic about either of these items found on the floor, not to mention H car out front, no alarm set- and no B+H to be found. Everyone just got down to business to do the job they came to do that day.