CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[Sphinx]

Definitely more face there and the hat seems to be clearly defined. I almost see a beard or is it a light-colored face covering?

I agree. Even though it is blurry, one sure can see a lot more. I also see fairly high cheek bones, and glasses, probably wire frame. The long hair could be a wig, maybe just attached to the hat. The glasses could be part of a disguise too. He could even be wearing one of those very realistic face masks that I have seen on some crime shows on tv. I expect the police would have software that could sharpen that image, but maybe they will find out it is a mask. Perhaps that face or mask might be somewhere in an intelligence data base.

IMO

 

[dotr]

When studying the photos and the video of the suspect, you have to ask yourself, is this a professional or an amateur?
If he is a pro you are seeing what he wants you to see. Disguise, deception, obfuscation and subterfuge are all his stock and trade. Look for things that he does not want you to see.

Put yourself in his position. you know you have committed a ghastly crime. You now know you will be walking over a kilometer in a residential neighbourhood that is fairly well light and has cameras everywhere.

How would you proceed?
Would you do anything to make yourself less identifiable? Would you alter your gait from your normal style. Would you wear clothing that is not typical for you? What else would you do? Now realizing you are not a pro, one can imagine to what level the suspect took to make himself unidentifiable.

I am more curious to know where the suspect is going. I also believe he is known to various intelligence agencies, as I doubt this was his first job.
That what I believe the focus should be on.

All great points!
Re what a pro killer wants and does not want people to see, versus an amateur's possible attempts at disguise.

A politician let 3 'doctors' wearing full PPE into her home to treat her sick husband. In fact, they were assassins who'd come to kill her.
Aug 2021

• ''Carolina Echeverría let three people into her home, as they were disguised as doctors.
• She believed they had come to care for her husband, but they attacked him and shot her in the head.
• No arrests have been made, and it is not clear what was the motive for the killing.''
• 
  
• July 2021
• Gunmen disguised as US DEA agents assassinated Haitian President, ambassador says

Sept 2021
Assassin disguised as Hasidic Jew EXECUTES victim in lawless NYC
Horror moment assassin disguised as Hasidic Jew EXECUTES victim in broad daylight in lawless NYC''
Horrifying moment former gangster executed on New York street caught on video

The unknown gunman waited for Jermaine Dixon to return to his SUV then shot him in the head. Credit: NYPD

Very interesting imo, fwiw
"A Study of Assassination"-Transcription
DEFINITION''
Assassination is a term thought to be derived from "Hashish", a drug similar to marijuana, said to have been used by Hasan-Dan-Sabah to induce motivation in his followers, who were assigned to carry out political and other murders, usually at the cost of their lives.

It is here used to describe the planned killing of a person who is not under the legal jurisdiction of the killer, who is not physically in the hands of the killer, who has been selected by a resistance organization for death, and who has been sele cted by a resistance organization for death, and whose death provides positive advantages to that organization.''
''Decision and instructions should be confined to an absolute minimum of persons. Ideally, only one person will be involved. No report may be made, but usually the act will be pr operly covered by normal news services, whose output is available to all concerned''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

FDA gives his analysis on the ‘suspect’ video.

 

[MistyWaters]

What’s very different here from a professional hit and unlike an assassination is typically fast, ruthless, usually intended to intimidate, send shock and fear - instead it was staged to be just the opposite, a M/S which reflects negatively back only onto the victim and no one else. Why would professionals agree to stage bodies, their contract is only to kill and dead is dead regardless of how the bodies are found. The staging is why I think there is a personal connection between the killer/s and the victims, and the killer’s motive was seated in hatred and revenge. JMO

 

[Window21]

Why would professionals agree to stage bodies, their contract is only to kill and dead is dead regardless of how the bodies are found.

Hit men will do what ever is asked of them. All assassins have their price. Nothing is off limits. For example...they may get paid 5 million to do a double hit like BS and HS. Then if the contract is for torture, staging etc they will charge another 1 million for that. They are ruthless and don't care. They will do what ever is asked of them for a price. Everything can be "bought". Their price is determined by what the job entails. More work costs more money.

edit: I'm just throwing those numbers out there...JMO...

 

[branmuffin]

Dec 21 2021
HUNTER: Are cops hunting amputee in Sherman double murder? | Toronto Sun''
''Eventually, in 1967, Kimble caught up with the mysterious amputee in one of the most-watched episodes of any TV series.

Now, Toronto Police homicide detectives may be approximating a similar experience.

''Michael Arntfield, a University of Western Ontario criminology professor and cold case expert, told the Toronto Sun that homicide detectives could possibly be dealing with an amputee as the possible killer of the Shermans.''

“I received a phone call from at least one physiotherapist. In their experience, the subject observed in the video is an experienced amputee,” Arntfield said, adding he doesn’t have the expertise to determine the veracity of the tip but wanted to make sure it was passed on to police.

“This would explain what I said when I indicated that given the efforts by the offender to otherwise conceal their identification, knowing full well there is CCTV in the area, he is not hiding how he walks.”

''He added: “And the fact he has a distinct stride or gait… it is either an intentional misdirect or something the offender would be unable to conceal.”

You can cover your face, wear a balaclava, add glasses or a beard. It is difficult to hide the fact you’ve had a leg amputated.''

''Toronto homicide chief Det.-Insp. Hank Idsinga isn’t dismissing the possibility his detectives are hunting an amputee. But he’s not endorsing it, either.

“We’re open to all possibilities,” Idsinga said. “Unfortunately (short of Harrison Ford tackling the suspect) we wouldn’t be able to be definitive from the video alone.”
Dec 20 2021

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the gait. I'm actually surprised other doctors didn't pick up on that. The drop foot suggestion never resonated with me since it is neurological and the person either drags their foot or consciously lifts it up. That wasn't happening here.

 

[Satchie]

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the gait. I'm actually surprised other doctors didn't pick up on that. The drop foot suggestion never resonated with me since it is neurological and the person either drags their foot or consciously lifts it up. That wasn't happening here.

I don't know what it is or isn't, but I recall the British actor John Thaw in the Morse series walked with a slightly odd gait, I only noticed it in reruns when I wasn't so involved in the plot. I looked it up, it was foot drop, from a broken ankle when young. I noticed only an odd pointing of the toes on one foot, not exactly like this one, but a similar very minor issue. He'd retrained himself to walk effectively and briskly for decades, it wasn't degenerative.

I really think it depends on the circumstances, we notice the severe cases but not the minor ones, etc. Maybe, even among experts there's no consensus, since they can't get a close up look or the person's medical history.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh yes, I think many of us remember “the one armed man”. Was that show only on for four years?

HUNTER: Are cops hunting amputee in Sherman double murder? | Toronto Sun

“For four long seasons, Dr. Richard Kimble hunted a one-armed man he claimed murdered his wife.

The good doctor — played by David Janssen in the 1960s TV show The Fugitive and later Harrison Ford in the movie — was relentlessly chased by cops who were certain he was the killer.

Eventually, in 1967, Kimble caught up with the mysterious amputee in one of the most-watched episodes of any TV series.

Now, Toronto Police homicide detectives may be approximating a similar experience.…..

……Michael Arntfield, a University of Western Ontario criminology professor and cold case expert, told the Toronto Sun that homicide detectives could possibly be dealing with an amputee as the possible killer of the Shermans.

I received a phone call from at least one physiotherapist. In their experience, the subject observed in the video is an experienced amputee,” Arntfield said, adding he doesn’t have the expertise to determine the veracity of the tip but wanted to make sure it was passed on to police.…”

 

[branmuffin]

'He shared a photo he had taken of his hand on his phone that night, which was dated and had a timestamp of 7:17 p.m. The report noted that the location of his home was also visible in the photo.'

Who does that? Taking that picture prior to the time your parents are murdered. What a coincidence.
I guess if JS took a photo of his hand with a time stamp everyday it could be considered normal behavior. I have a feeling he did not though.

Secondly if the time stamp was for 7:17pm, would he have enough time to drive to or near the Old Colony residence?

Yes, he would have time.

 

[Satchie]

Hit men will do what ever is asked of them. All assassins have their price. Nothing is off limits. For example...they may get paid 5 million to do a double hit like BS and HS. Then if the contract is for torture, staging etc they will charge another 1 million for that. They are ruthless and don't care. They will do what ever is asked of them for a price. Everything can be "bought". Their price is determined by what the job entails. More work costs more money.

edit: I'm just throwing those numbers out there...JMO...

The hitmen I've read about: Mexican cartel sicaros, organized crime hitmen, the killers of Dan Markel (organized by wife's family for child custody), Theresa Sievers (organized by husband for insurance policy), Maurizio Guicci (organized by wife he was divorcing) were all pathetic, desperate guys, living in poverty or in deep debt, willing to do it for very little, and too stupid to realize the cost if they got caught.

I disagree that you can get someone to do anything for enough money. No matter how much money you pay them, people are people, they make mistakes, things go wrong, especially if you want them to do something unusual, rather than just shoot someone in a parked car.

As well, if you gave someone a down payment on $5 million, wouldn't they just disappear? And the days when you could conceal transactions of that size, are long gone.

IMO, if someone was trustworthy enough, and confident enough to claim they could pull off such a thing, then they're smart enough know there's equally profitable and safer lines of work, like smuggling drugs, or breaking into luxury homes to steal stuff.

JMO

 

[deugirtni]

Would be interesting to know if LE has pored through passenger lists of all incoming flights on Dec 12th and 13th and departing on Dec 14th, (or possibly even very late on Dec 13th?) from which countries, etc.

 

[branmuffin]

What’s very different here from a professional hit and unlike an assassination is typically fast, ruthless, usually intended to intimidate, send shock and fear - instead it was staged to be just the opposite, a M/S which reflects negatively back only onto the victim and no one else. Why would professionals agree to stage bodies, their contract is only to kill and dead is dead regardless of how the bodies are found. The staging is why I think there is a personal connection between the killer/s and the victims, and the killer’s motive was seated in hatred and revenge. JMO

I think it's even possible that the person who wanted the Sherman's dead was present during the murder, not to actually get their hands dirty but to choreograph the circumstances they were subjected too.

I envision a scene where someone was already in the home when Honey arrived. She may have been surprised but not shocked they were there because there was a relationship there.

I don't think they did the actual killing but they choreographed events that led up to them being in the pool area and posed like those unusual sculptures.

 

[JayFriend]

The hitmen I've read about: Mexican cartel sicaros, organized crime hitmen, the killers of Dan Markel (organized by wife's family for child custody), Theresa Sievers (organized by husband for insurance policy), Maurizio Guicci (organized by wife he was divorcing) were all pathetic, desperate guys, living in poverty or in deep debt, willing to do it for very little, and too stupid to realize the cost if they got caught.

I disagree that you can get someone to do anything for enough money. No matter how much money you pay them, people are people, they make mistakes, things go wrong, especially if you want them to do something unusual, rather than just shoot someone in a parked car.

As well, if you gave someone a down payment on $5 million, wouldn't they just disappear? And the days when you could conceal transactions of that size, are long gone.

IMO, if someone was trustworthy enough, and confident enough to claim they could pull off such a thing, they're smart enough know there's equally profitable and safer lines of work, like smuggling drugs, or breaking into luxury homes to steal stuff.

JMO

I don't think the killers were "pathetic, desperate guys". In view of the fact the victims were multi-millionaires, in control of an international pharma corporation, and that the TPS has still not solved the case, it sure looks like an international hit. If you haven't figured it out yet, Big Pharma is now the most profitable sector in the world due to the <modsnip> Virus (along with the vendors, like Amazon). Not suggesting that whoever ordered the killings knew Covid was coming, but Big Pharma is a powerful player, not to be ignored. In this context, if the killings where orchestrated by an irate, disenfranchised family member, TPS should have solved it by now. However, I wonder if it's a high priority. They seem to be more preoccupied with banning legal, guns.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

I remember reading in I think KD's book that Honey, like Barry, was found in the sitting position after being hung, and that blood was found underneath her. It was her blood, and it was speculated that perhaps she bled from the face/nose when her body was lying down, and then her body was raised, and it was underneath her.

Perhaps the killer punched her in the nose when she struggled, or perhaps as she lost consciousness from neck compression, she fell onto the marble floor in the foyer, face first, and that caused a nose bleed, which continued while the body was being dragged, and afterwards when she was lying on the floor near the pool. Police may have found blood upstairs, and near the drag marks, but withheld that information.

I thought that perhaps the marks to her face may have happened when her body was dragged down the stairs from the first floor, near the powder room and front door, to the basement pool area. I read, I think in a newspaper article, that police found drag marks in the carpet upstairs.
IMO

Would be interesting to know if LE has pored through passenger lists of all incoming flights on Dec 12th and 13th and departing on Dec 14th, (or possibly even very late on Dec 13th?) from which countries, etc.

Hello, I am new on this website. Yes, it would be interesting to see what the police have done as far as investigating airline passenger lists. I had not heard the theory yet that HS possibly was murdered upstairs. And why was her earring found near a driveway gutter. And have the police investigated all of the real estate clients especially the two that KD had been told by an agent that they were “odd ducks”? And have the police searched every video which they have obtained because if there were other killers they should’ve been seen maybe going in the back of the property which is possibly watch the alleged killer on the video did because he was not seen going in the front. So many questions…

 

[Window21]

, it sure looks like an international hit. If you haven't figured it out yet, Big Pharma is now the most profitable sector in the world due to the <modsnip> Virus (along with the vendors, like Amazon). Not suggesting that whoever ordered the killings knew Covid was coming, but Big Pharma is a powerful player, not to be ignored.[/QUOTE

Thant's exactly how I feel. Apotex had dealings all over the world and mob usually runs through big money like pharmaceuticals one way or another. I feel this was business and not personal. JMO

 

[Satchie]

I don't think the killers were "pathetic, desperate guys". In view of the fact the victims were multi-millionaires, in control of an international pharma corporation, and that the TPS has still not solved the case, it sure looks like an international hit. If you haven't figured it out yet, Big Pharma is now the most profitable sector in the world due to the <modsnip> Virus (along with the vendors, like Amazon). Not suggesting that whoever ordered the killings knew Covid was coming, but Big Pharma is a powerful player, not to be ignored. In this context, if the killings where orchestrated by an irate, disenfranchised family member, TPS should have solved it by now. However, I wonder if it's a high priority. They seem to be more preoccupied with banning legal, guns.

There are, unfortunately, a lot of unsolved murder cases: 3500 threads about them on this branch of websleuths alone.

 

[Gina20]

For enough money anything can be done.

A simple Faraday cage for your phone can be bought on Amazon. Some work, some don't, but the ones that work do a very effective job of blocking all signals.

 

[Gina20]

Back in the beginning, people were talking about "incaprettamento". Is this no longer under consideration?

 

[MistyWaters]

Thant's exactly how I feel. Apotex had dealings all over the world and mob usually runs through big money like pharmaceuticals one way or another. I feel this was business and not personal. JMO

For this theory to be likely, we’d have to determine something unique about Apotex at the time Barry and his wife were murdered that placed him at risk of Big Pharma, more than other key principles other generic Pharmaceutical. It can’t be lawsuits over patents because that’s a matter of survival for the entire generic drug industry.

While it’d make for a good movie, there’s no proof the mob runs big money through pharmaceuticals. In fact I’d doubt it, there’s enough profit in the industry without the need to risk that type of illegal involvement.

 

[dotr]

Back in the beginning, people were talking about "incaprettamento". Is this no longer under consideration?

Learning fun new words everyday, lol! rbbm.
Incaprettamento: An Unusual Homicide by Ligature Strangulation | Office of Justice Programs
"The victim was found hogtied and hanged by a cord that was suspended from an iron staff situated between two concrete electrical poles. This method of killing is known as "incaprettemento." It is an unusual type of strangulation whereby a rope is passed around the victim's wrists, ankles, and throat causing suffocation. This results in a very slow and painful death. Typically, it is a method employed by Italian organized crime groups, but it has also been used in the execution of war crimes. This means of killing is meant to impart a particularly degrading and humiliating revenge on the victim. It may also serve as sign of intimidation and a warning to others. There is very little written about incaprettamento in the literature, but it has, nonetheless, important psychological, anthropological, and cultural implications in the field of criminology''