CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[FromGermany1]

Much speculation about Big Pharma being involved. IMO not likely.

Businesses know that Corporations continue to exist even without their top executives. The death of Barry could not be expected to lead to the demise of Apotex, and in fact 4 years later Apotex is still a very viable company.
Corporate leaders, get sick, resign, or die from natural or unnatural causes regularly. The Corporate entities go on just fine.

Definitely the trial addict and leader of the internal "law firm" would have disappeared. Maybe Honey was suspected of trying to replace him, after his death.

 

[dotr]

Unrelated, but maybe worth noting here, fwiw. rbbm.
Police looking to identify suspect who obtained over $5M in mortgages after posing as private mortgage broker in GTA

Toronto police are looking to identify a man wanted in a mortgage fraud investigation. (TPS Handout)

“Investigators are advising the public – especially those in the mortgage and legal professions – to scrutinize all identification and be vigilant in confirming the identities of individuals in real estate transactions,” police wrote.''

 

[WINDSOR]

I would bet my life that they haven’t; because they can’t. To approach some dozen plus airlines that fly in and out of Pearson and ask for passengers lists covering some three or four days, you need one crucial thing: probable cause. Without PC, no judge is going to sign-off on something as invasive as combing through the personal information of hundreds, if not thousands of travellers on the grounds that a guy in a grainy video walks like Putin<modsnip> or because a billionaire and his wife were murdered and theres maybe an international cover-up involving a death squad/hitmen? <modsnip>

Toronto Police would need to show proof, backed up with enough hard evidence to warrant something as all-consuming as this. Burden of proof is everything.

You do not ask the airlines for their lists. You ask the RCMP to check Canada Customs passport data base. Everyone's passport is scanned when you come in and leave Canada. I am not sure a search warrant would be required, however with the evidence the TPS already has, a judge would probably allow the further search into passport records. IMO

 

[CAMBRIAN]

The person seen walking in the video proves only one thing: that a person walked in front of a camera at that particular spot. IMO, KGB walks, strange gait, age of walker, etc., are pure speculations at this stage. Unless LE are keeping other cards close to their chest, it lacks any relation to the deaths of BS and HS. Which brings me back to my own version: M/S. Just my opinion !

 

[Gina20]

The person seen walking in the video proves only one thing: that a person walked in front of a camera at that particular spot. IMO, KGB walks, strange gait, age of walker, etc., are pure speculations at this stage. Unless LE are keeping other cards close to their chest, it lacks any relation to the deaths of BS and HS. Which brings me back to my own version: M/S. Just my opinion !

The police put this video into the public domain, asking the public to make note of the strange gait. Obviously they think the gait is important enough to put forward after four years, and they want us to think about it. They called this person a "suspect", not a "person of interest".

 

[William_60]

Season’s Greetings, to everyone.

Been awhile, too long, actually.

So long that, I have to admit I found it tough to find what heading this discussion is filed under, Crimes in the News, or maybe Crimes That Should be in the News?

Fair bit of catching up to, and will begin from the point where the video of the suspect is made public. Finally!

Have to ask: Do we know how much time passed between the video suspect’s appearance and his re-appearance?

Anyway, it’s good to be back. Some quick scanning shows dedicated posters giving this case the scrutiny it deserves. This will make for some great reading.

Peace, everyone.

 

[dotr]

Season’s Greetings, to everyone.

Been awhile, too long, actually.

So long that, I have to admit I found it tough to find what heading this discussion is filed under, Crimes in the News, or maybe Crimes That Should be in the News?

Fair bit of catching up to, and will begin from the point where the video of the suspect is made public. Finally!

Have to ask: Do we know how much time passed between the video suspect’s appearance and his re-appearance?

Anyway, it’s good to be back. Some quick scanning shows dedicated posters giving this case the scrutiny it deserves. This will make for some great reading.

Peace, everyone.

Welcome back @William_60, missed your presence here - and yes, lots to catch up on!

 

[BaffleMe]

Season’s Greetings, to everyone.

Been awhile, too long, actually.

So long that, I have to admit I found it tough to find what heading this discussion is filed under, Crimes in the News, or maybe Crimes That Should be in the News?

Fair bit of catching up to, and will begin from the point where the video of the suspect is made public. Finally!

Have to ask: Do we know how much time passed between the video suspect’s appearance and his re-appearance?

Anyway, it’s good to be back. Some quick scanning shows dedicated posters giving this case the scrutiny it deserves. This will make for some great reading.

Peace, everyone.

Maybe that is where LE for the thought that the Sherman's were killed between 9 and midnight that Wednesday. Perhaps it was based on this person on video disappearing for a suspicious amount of time. MOO

 

[dotr]

You do not ask the airlines for their lists. You ask the RCMP to check Canada Customs passport data base. Everyone's passport is scanned when you come in and leave Canada. I am not sure a search warrant would be required, however with the evidence the TPS already has, a judge would probably allow the further search into passport records. IMO

Cannot access article atm, but believe it references LE checking out frequent flyer points etc. fwiw.
Sherman investigation initially focused only on Barry’s wife Honey as a murder victim
''Mar 16, 2018 — Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered, private investigators claim ... loyalty programs such as Airmiles, in the case of LoyaltyOne Co''

 

[branmuffin]

bbm
Then Honey could have spent to charity here and charity there or for another large palace or similar, without leaving money to their 4 children?? Or how is it to be understood?

The bolded area is my thoughts, not part of the article I quoted. However, if BS's instructions were to allow HS unfettered access to the funds outside of the quarterly payments, it sounds like any requests she may make, regardless what is was, was to be considered. Instructions to the trustees (JS, BK, Jack Kay and Alex Glasenberg) The number of trustees were reduced in March 2017.

 

[Satchie]

Two suspected Russian hit men were tracked coming and going from Heathrow airport, one of the top-ten busiest airports in the world.

(Previously posted by dotr):

In the Sherman case we don’t know if a car or airplane was involved.

The video is grainy, but my guess is that it’s very meaningful to a few people who know him or her. It might just take one phone call.

With regards to that nerve agent attack on a former Russian mole, IMO it was not British police that lead that investigation, but the UK spy agency MI6.

Similar to how the Twin Towers investigation wasn't NYPD, but the CIA.

Those cases were obviously related to international terrorism, Canada has CSIS to investigate those things, which they do even more covertly than police. I think if there were any suggestion of foreign organizations sending agents to assassinate Canadian citizens, the case wouldn't be in the hands of TPS.

 

[Satchie]

And yet the TPS still indicates that they responded at 12.46 pm to the emergency call

I wonder whether that was homicide division?

 

[Satchie]

Much speculation about Big Pharma being involved. IMO not likely.

Businesses know that Corporations continue to exist even without their top executives. The death of Barry could not be expected to lead to the demise of Apotex, and in fact 4 years later Apotex is still a very viable company.
Corporate leaders, get sick, resign, or die from natural or unnatural causes regularly. The Corporate entities go on just fine.

Besides which, pharmacy corporations are in intense competition with each other, so colluding is not the modus operandi, plus, the big money is in international name brands, not Canadian generics.

I suppose one could look at whomever was in direct competition for the Canadian generics market, but as you say, murdering both Shermans hasn't changed Apotex at all.

And, that would be 'very small pharma'!
JMO

 

[Satchie]

Does sound a little odd. I know when I opened a crypto account, I had to send a photo of myself holding a piece of ID. So it's definitely something that he might have had to do. But, the choice of timing of when he did it was likely up to him.

Thanks for that.

If he was seriously into trading crypto, maybe he had a lot of accounts, and was doing it regularly.

ETA, also recalling that he was screenshotting his key, something he might do quite alot to keep accounts fresh. Like frequently changing your password.

JMO

 

[Gina20]

A fire here:

CTV Toronto: Fire destroys North York home

A fire there:

CityNews

Has the suspect in the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman been seen in any other footage before or since?

 

[BaffleMe]

Thanks for that.

If he was seriously into trading crypto, maybe he had a lot of accounts, and was doing it regularly.

ETA, also recalling that he was screenshotting his key, something he might do quite alot to keep accounts fresh. Like frequently changing your password.

JMO

I got lost here. "Trading cryto" What is that? "Screenshotting (shooting?) his key" What key? How do we know this?

 

[BaffleMe]

A fire here:

CTV Toronto: Fire destroys North York home

A fire there:

CityNews

Has the suspect in the murders of Honey and Barry Sherman been seen in any other footage before or since?

I am guessing that the police have not said. Correct me if I am wrong. This is the first we have heard of this suspect.

 

[Sphinx]

Besides which, pharmacy corporations are in intense competition with each other, so colluding is not the modus operandi, plus, the big money is in international name brands, not Canadian generics.

I suppose one could look at whomever was in direct competition for the Canadian generics market, but as you say, murdering both Shermans hasn't changed Apotex at all.

And, that would be 'very small pharma'!
JMO

It is well known that Barry was a genius, literally a rocket scientist before he got into pharmaceuticals. Before his death, I read on the internet, sorry I cannot remember where, that he was working on a synthetic version of Cannabis. I assume that could be patentable, with epic financial consequences. Whether or not this would have had anything to do with his death, and Honey's I do not know, but if anyone, or any company, or even any country planned to steal it, or wanted to eliminate the competition, it might have been a motive. Just speculating. IMO

 

[BaffleMe]

It is well known that Barry was a genius, literally a rocket scientist before he got into pharmaceuticals. Before his death, I read on the internet, sorry I cannot remember where, that he was working on a synthetic version of Cannabis. I assume that could be patentable, with epic financial consequences. Whether or not this would have had anything to do with his death, and Honey's I do not know, but if anyone, or any company, or even any country planned to steal it, or wanted to eliminate the competition, it might have been a motive. Just speculating. IMO

 

[BaffleMe]

I don't know. Apotex would still exist, and the work might continue!??