CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[FromGermany1]

Great work @FromGermany1 !!!

Thanks! I remembered it well.

 

[Sphinx]

WARMINGTON: Investigators should 'follow the money' to ...
https://torontosun.com › local-news
04.12.2020 — In this Oct. 15, 2017 photo, Barry and Honey Sherman pose for a photo in ... an exciting new synthetic cannabis medication to treat anxiety.
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Barry Sherman was helping to develop 'pot pill' for medical ...
https://www.thestar.com › news › gta
25.03.2018 — A year before his murder, the Apotex founder had agreed to work with CannTrust to produce a slow-release medical marijuana pill that would ...
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HTH (Sometimes I can't open it myself.)

Great Sleuthing, From Germany ! Thank you for finding those references in news media.

 

[juli99]

Except the person doing the staging did a terrible job. It looked like someone doing a murder suicide trying to make it look like a double homicide. Unless, the murderer deliberately made it look like an inept attempt by the murder suicide to make it look like a double murder!!

You mean BS attempted to make a M/S look like a double murder?

I still think they tried to half-heartedly make it look confusing enough that TPS would not immediately be hot on the heels of a hired killer. How different would things have gone if BS and HS had been shot and there were signs of forced entry? Even now, people are not 100% in agreement there was a killer. That has to make the investigation harder. Makes me think of JonBenet.

 

[Sphinx]

Unless, the murderer deliberately made it look like an inept attempt by the murder suicide to make it look like a double murder!!

I think you may really be on to something here. If the murders were carried out by experienced professionals, likely with military training, who watched and followed the targets for a month or more, it is highly unlikely they would mess up the staging by leaving evidence on the floor, a phone, and papers, where both Honey and Barry were first attacked. It just may be that criminal professionals did the hit, got away clean, collected their millions (?) in crypto payment, but for some reason double crossed the person or persons that hired them so that a homicide investigation would ensue. I do not know why they would do that, unless some geopolitical issues were involved, that could cause people at very high levels of power to also give orders to the hitmen, and their bosses.

It is all speculation on my part, and like clues to clues, but the evidence suggests there is something very fishy about that "professional staging". The killer(s) did not leave any zip ties, or other physical evidence that we know of, that would lead back to them. If you follow the money, who benefits most ? It would seem to be family who inherited billions. but it could also be big pharma or another government who wanted the patent on synthetic cannabis that Barry was working on. The other high level administrators and lawyers at Apotex itself were not co-operating with the police immediately after the murders, and did not want to let them examine computers etc. saying that proprietary information involving the company could not be revealed. It seems even a Judge was not being reasonable about giving the police access to cellphone records. IMO

 

[Window21]

I have always thought the murders were to do with business. I could be totally wrong, but hiring a hit man, following them around for a month or more does not make me think JS or KW. Maybe BS did make someone very close to him angry, but for some reason I still think it was business related. I'm thinking they killed HS in front of BS as a way to torture him and make him talk.
Have they ever released a time that they think HS was killed? Can the experts tell if HS was killed 1 or 2 hrs before BS? I am interested in that time frame and if it's even possible to tell such a thing.
Also, I don't think the scene was ever staged m/s. I think it was a mistake to even announce that, and I think it was pure incompetence on the TPD to let the media roll with that story. Even the Gardner or housekeeper announced they were murdered as soon as they discovered the bodies as was mentioned in one of the articles. I think the murderer just caught a break with them screwing up and announcing M/S.
JMO

 

[Sphinx]

I have always thought the murders were to do with business. I could be totally wrong, but hiring a hit man, following them around for a month or more does not make me think JS or KW. Maybe BS did make someone very close to him angry, but for some reason I still think it was business related. I'm thinking they killed HS in front of BS as a way to torture him and make him talk.
Have they ever released a time that they think HS was killed? Can the experts tell if HS was killed 1 or 2 hrs before BS? I am interested in that time frame and if it's even possible to tell such a thing.
Also, I don't think the scene was ever staged m/s. I think it was a mistake to even announce that, and I think it was pure incompetence on the TPD to let the media roll with that story. Even the Gardner or housekeeper announced they were murdered as soon as they discovered the bodies as was mentioned in one of the articles. I think the murderer just caught a break with them screwing up and announcing M/S.
JMO

It is possible Honey was killed quite awhile before Barry. I remember looking at pictures in the news of paramedics taking body bags on gurneys out the front door of 50 Colony St. sometime after the bodies were discovered. It seemed to me that one body, enclosed within the black zippered body bag , was in a semi sitting position, while the other also in a black zippered body bag was laying flat. I could not tell which one was Barry, and which one was Honey. That could indicate more rigor mortis in one body than the other, but I am not sure. IMO

 

[ldlager]

I wonder whether that was homicide division?

Perhaps, but I recall something recently that said that homicide wasn’t involved until several days after the bodies were discovered. But going from memory, which right now is somewhat negatively impacted by too much holiday food and cheer!

 

[ldlager]

I have always thought the murders were to do with business. I could be totally wrong, but hiring a hit man, following them around for a month or more does not make me think JS or KW. Maybe BS did make someone very close to him angry, but for some reason I still think it was business related. I'm thinking they killed HS in front of BS as a way to torture him and make him talk.
Have they ever released a time that they think HS was killed? Can the experts tell if HS was killed 1 or 2 hrs before BS? I am interested in that time frame and if it's even possible to tell such a thing.
Also, I don't think the scene was ever staged m/s. I think it was a mistake to even announce that, and I think it was pure incompetence on the TPD to let the media roll with that story. Even the Gardner or housekeeper announced they were murdered as soon as they discovered the bodies as was mentioned in one of the articles. I think the murderer just caught a break with them screwing up and announcing M/S.
JMO

I have never understood if the murder of BS was related to his business, why kill HS? Why not just have BS shot in his car leaving work, etc?

 

[ldlager]

It is possible Honey was killed quite awhile before Barry. I remember looking at pictures in the news of paramedics taking body bags on gurneys out the front door of 50 Colony St. sometime after the bodies were discovered. It seemed to me that one body, enclosed within the black zippered body bag , was in a semi sitting position, while the other also in a black zippered body bag was laying flat. I could not tell which one was Barry, and which one was Honey. That could indicate more rigor mortis in one body than the other, but I am not sure. IMO

But I think rigor mortis would have completely dissipated in both after 2 days. This was the subject of much discussion here many threads ago I recall.

 

[Sphinx]

I have never understood if the murder of BS was related to his business, why kill HS? Why not just have BS shot in his car leaving work, etc?

Maybe because even if the motive was business, they could not let Honey inherit, and maybe they wanted it to look like a murder suicide. It could be that powerful people were working at cross purposes. The plan for a staged murder suicide was changed to look like a rather incompetent double murder with bad staging that would fall apart later. I don't know, but there are many inconsistencies that will only be cleared up if this is solved, and much more evidence revealed.
IMO

 

[Sphinx]

But I think rigor mortis would have completely dissipated in both after 2 days. This was the subject of much discussion here many threads ago I recall.

I think you are right. Thank you.

Perhaps one body, maybe Honey's was elevated somehow in the body bag to preserve blood evidence found on her clothes underneath her. IMO

 

[BaffleMe]

I think you are right. Thank you.

Perhaps one body, maybe Honey's was elevated somehow in the body bag to preserve blood evidence found on her clothes underneath her. IMO

I just don't understand the staging of their bodies. And I don't see how there can only have been one killer

 

[Window21]

I just don't understand the staging of their bodies. And I don't see how there can only have been one killer

I can see only 1 killer very easily doing this, but someone hired him and there may of been a mini team involved in the whole plan. As for staging the bodies it is a way of mocking and belittling BS and HS. Also, he could be sending a message to someone?

Apparently the police had a list of 35 people of interest. We need to try to make a list and see how many people we can come up with. They know a lot more than we do and I just hope they solve this soon. 4 years has been way to long for this family to get some justice.

 

[SUSAN ANN]

May be a stupid question but I am not a criminal so I cannot think like one. If there was staging how many of you think there was blood on the floor that was cleaned up? Are we supposed to think this killer went and found cleaning supplies within the home and cleaned up any evidence and put those cleaning supplies back in the closet? Or was Barry not murdered till closer to midnight and the killer just left? Was Honey murdered pretty much at 8 PM when she arrived home?

 

[casesensitive]

I just don't understand the staging of their bodies. And I don't see how there can only have been one killer

I now believe the staging of their bodies was a serious attempt to make it look like a M/S (Honey with facial bleeding and Barry with none, and him posed with no sign of injury or assault, and especially including him still wearing his eye glasses, and seemingly relaxed in his mission of suicide). Later reference to the metal statues resembling their similar, but different death poses is just coincidental imo.

It seems that TPS bought into a M/S immediately at the crime scene, and were confident enough to say that night that no suspects were being sought. Based on police savvy (and homicide cops were reported to be at the scene) I think the killer actually did a good job initially making their deaths look like a M/S.

One killer with a gun can accomplish total control over a victim. But one killer would have a hard time to control two victims at the same time, and strangle both of them, regardless of their wrists being tied. Maybe their wrists were tied together--it was never clear about that. Maybe the killer was a pro who knew how to get the job done.

I believed Greenspan's theory that multiple killers were on the scene. Now that we know that only one person has been seen on video surveillance who they call a "suspect", I believe that this person killed the Shermans, and there is little doubt in mind that he was a professional hit man. jmo

 

[William_60]

What street is the NW strolling in the video?

Not critical or particularly helpful for us to know, but using Google Maps, I’m trying (determined) to peg that location.

Not sure why this detail is not shared with the public, to help w/ recall. Kevin Donovan says it’s 1.3 K to the east from the Sherman home, but so far that clue hasn’t helped me find it.

 

[Window21]

What street is the NW strolling in the video?

Not critical or particularly helpful for us to know, but using Google Maps, I’m trying (determined) to peg that location.

Are you talking about the suspect in the video?
It was determined a few threads back it is 59 Bannatyne.

 

[dotr]

Are you talking about the suspect in the video?
It was determined a few threads back it is 59 Bannatyne.

Otto posted map.... Post# 854
CANADA - Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #16

 

[WINDSOR]

May be a stupid question but I am not a criminal so I cannot think like one. If there was staging how many of you think there was blood on the floor that was cleaned up? Are we supposed to think this killer went and found cleaning supplies within the home and cleaned up any evidence and put those cleaning supplies back in the closet? Or was Barry not murdered till closer to midnight and the killer just left? Was Honey murdered pretty much at 8 PM when she arrived home?

Not much blood at the scene, only a little from Honey's facial injury, and it was not cleaned up, as the TPS identified it. I doubt the killer(s) did any cleaning with items in the home. If they did any cleaning, they brought their own supplies and left with them. Too much risk of leaving evidence otherwise.

 

[WINDSOR]

To clear something up in my mind,...................
Did the TPS ever officially and publicly declare the Sherman's death as a Murder/Suicide?
Or was it a reporter (KD) quoting an anonymous police source?