CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #17

[Window21]

I know this makes no sense even as I am typing this but I have always wondered if whom ever is behind these murders had a bit of a conscience and phoned 911 so the police could discover the bodies but somehow the house # was wrong?

 

[ldlager]

Still wondering if the killers found a way to temporarily mess around with cell and/or landline phone activity in the area, speculation, imo.
May. 31, 2019
Barry and Honey Sherman’s neighbours cite mysterious 911 call, visitor on day before billionaires found dead
''Toronto police were investigating a mysterious 911 call down the street from Barry and Honey Sherman’s home at the same time as the Apotex founder and his wife lay dead or dying, a Star investigation reveals.

The Shermans lived at 50 Old Colony Rd. They were last seen alive on the evening of Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017. Their bodies were discovered two days later. No official time of death has been released but sources close to the case have said it is believed the Shermans died late on Wednesday or early Thursday morning. Police are investigating the case as a targeted double homicide.

On the Thursday morning at 9:45 a.m., a full day before the Sherman bodies were discovered, homeowners down the road from the Shermans answered a knock on their door. The Star has agreed not to identify the homeowners or their exact address. They live roughly 10 houses away on Old Colony, near Bayview Ave. and Hwy. 401''
On the Thursday morning at 9:45 a.m., a full day before the Sherman bodies were discovered, homeowners down the road from the Shermans answered a knock on their door. The Star has agreed not to identify the homeowners or their exact address. They live roughly 10 houses away on Old Colony, near Bayview Ave. and Hwy. 401.

The man at the door was a uniformed police officer asking if someone in their home had made a 911 call. The homeowners said no. The officer shared few details, but said police believed it came from the homeowners’ house, but did not say if the call had come from a cellular phone or a landline. The officer did not say what time the call came in.''

Strange. I live in the GTA and occasionally have pocket dialed 911 in error. The police call back to see if the call is real or not, they have NEVER sent a police resource to my house to confirm this. It seems strange that a police man/woman would have been personally sent to check this out.

 

[dotr]

Noting fwiw..
Bell Canada alerts customers after data breach | CBC News
2019
Global phone networks attacked by hackers - BBC News
''Hackers targeted mobile phone networks around the world to snoop on specific users, according to a report.
The level of access they gained to the networks meant they could have shut them down had they wanted to.''
Hackers May Have Had Access to Billions of Texts for Years, Global Telecom Company Admits (newsweek.com)
2017
For $500, this site promises the power to track a phone and intercept its texts - The Verge
Chinese Hackers Compromised Telecom Firms, Researchers Say - Bloomberg
''Chinese state-backed hacking groups compromised at least five global telecommunications companies and stole phone records and location data, according to cybersecurity researchers.''

The hacking groups waged a campaign across Southeast Asia from 2017 to 2021, in some cases exploiting security vulnerabilities in Microsoft Corp.’s Exchange servers to gain access to telecommunication companies’ internal systems, according to a new report published Tuesday by U.S.-based security firm Cybereason Inc.
Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police (Published 2019)
'Geofence': Google Has Become A Dragnet For The Police (technocracy.news)
APRIL 17, 2019
''If you are close to a crime being committed, the chances are good that you could be wrapped up in the police investigation and you can only hope that they interpret the data correctly, otherwise you could be arrested based on data alone… ⁃ TN Editor''

''When detectives in a Phoenix suburb arrested a warehouse worker in a murder investigation last December, they credited a new technique with breaking open the case after other leads went cold.

The police told the suspect, Jorge Molina, they had data tracking his phone to the site where a man was shot nine months earlier. They had made the discovery after obtaining a search warrant that required Google to provide information on all devices it recorded near the killing, potentially capturing the whereabouts of anyone in the area.''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Strange. I live in the GTA and occasionally have pocket dialed 911 in error. The police call back to see if the call is real or not, they have NEVER sent a police resource to my house to confirm this. It seems strange that a police man/woman would have been personally sent to check this out.

I think if they call back and you can explain it was a mistake they can dismiss the call. That doesn’t seem to have happened in this case. I’m not sure why the officer didn’t call the number as he was talking to the neighbour to double-check.

 

[branmuffin]

I know this makes no sense even as I am typing this but I have always wondered if whom ever is behind these murders had a bit of a conscience and phoned 911 so the police could discover the bodies but somehow the house # was wrong?

Maybe not because they had a conscience but because finding them earlier would have given someone an alibi.

 

[branmuffin]

Strange. I live in the GTA and occasionally have pocket dialed 911 in error. The police call back to see if the call is real or not, they have NEVER sent a police resource to my house to confirm this. It seems strange that a police man/woman would have been personally sent to check this out.

Maybe the postal code was the motivating factor.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think if they call back and you can explain it was a mistake they can dismiss the call. That doesn’t seem to have happened in this case. I’m not sure why the officer didn’t call the number as he was talking to the neighbour to double-check.

My understanding it’s required protocol for police to attend a residence of a hang up 911 call. I don’t know if they try to call back but assuming a 911 call is presumed to be for a legitimate emergency purpose, there’s always the possibility the caller may be in distress and was only able to dial the phone once for that brief moment.

 

[FromGermany1]

A lot of us, like the TPS had hoped the tower dump would be fruitful. On the TV shows it always seems to work.
Can one now assume either.
a) The 300 cellphone numbers the TPS used to compare, were not one of the ones the killers used.
b) There was strict communication protocols on the part of the killers, such as, they did not use traceable devices.

I don't know, how LE knew, the Shermans were shadowed for a month before the killings, if it wasn't via the cellphones?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

My understanding it’s required protocol for police to attend a residence of a hang up 911 call. I don’t know if they try to call back but assuming a 911 call is presumed to be for a legitimate emergency purpose, there’s always the possibility the caller may be in distress and was only able to dial the phone once for that brief moment.

For some reason when I set up my new cell phone it called 911 twice, and as fast as I tried to cancel it, both calls went through (I didn’t hear the calls connect) and they called me back and I explained. No police came to my home. If I hadn’t answered, they would have tried to track the call and respond.
What happens when someone calls 911 by mistake?

Unless you lock your iPhone each time it’s easy to pocket-dial or sometimes to hit ‘emergency’ on the screen which automatically dials 911.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I don't know, how LE knew, the Shermans were shadowed for a month before the killings, if it wasn't via the cellphones?

It may be in part from witness information:

“While this was going on, one person police had previously interviewed came forward with new information. This is described starkly in one ITO as “new information,” but the pages the Star has obtained from court are completely redacted because police say to reveal that information will harm their case.

This “new information” appears to have led police to pursue the theory that someone — or some people — were watching Honey and Barry before the murders.”
Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under ‘surveillance’ a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe

 

[WINDSOR]

As we all know this will not be an easy case to solve. Even though there are people who appear as obvious potential suspects, the lack of evidence pointing towards any individual is most frustrating.
This lack of evidence points to the sophistication and expertise of those who are behind the murders.
Unfortunately, this lack of evidence prevents arrests and charges being laid.

What I believe is true.
1) The Shermans were murdered.
2) It is highly probable the Night Walker had an involvement with the murders.
3) The Shermans were under surveillance before they were murdered.
4) The Night Walker was not one of the Sherman's friends, family or associates, he was likely unknown to them.
5) The Night Walker probably had assistance, and some of that assistance was from someone known by the Shermans.
6) Excellent possibility that the NW was not a Canadian resident.
7) I believe the NW walked to a Safe House that night.
8) The NW if he had entered and left Canada, was travelling under false documents. As well he did not travel directly to or from his country of domicile.
9) The NW's apparent gait and appearance in the videos could possibly and I believe most likely, be a ruse or disguise.
10) The perpetrator, the person who initiated the murders, knew they had to have an iron clad alibi.

Questions:
a) Why weren't the Shermans murdered the day before? This may seem like a dumb question, but is there any significance to when they were killed? Was it supposed to take place earlier, but something happened, to cause a delay? Was there a time zone miscalculation?
b) What caused the unusual cancellation in Honey's attendance at her meeting. To me for Honey to not attend, it would have to be some sort of family issue.
c) Whomever paid for the assassins' had the ability to hide the transfer of funds.

It appears to me, that this murder was carefully planned, it was not a crime of on the spot emotion. Therefore somebody had to see some benefits from the Shermans deaths.

 

[Window21]

#11) They wanted them both dead, because as someone pointed out earlier the killer could have waited a couple of days and just killed BS as HS was heading to Florida

 

[juli99]

I don't know, how LE knew, the Shermans were shadowed for a month before the killings, if it wasn't via the cellphones?

Maybe the NW didn't just show up on cameras that one night?

 

[newclues]

#11) They wanted them both dead, because as someone pointed out earlier the killer could have waited a couple of days and just killed BS as HS was heading to Florida

Thus, they had to have known that she was going to go to Florida soon.

 

[newclues]

As we all know this will not be an easy case to solve. Even though there are people who appear as obvious potential suspects, the lack of evidence pointing towards any individual is most frustrating.
This lack of evidence points to the sophistication and expertise of those who are behind the murders.
Unfortunately, this lack of evidence prevents arrests and charges being laid.

What I believe is true.
1) The Shermans were murdered.
2) It is highly probable the Night Walker had an involvement with the murders.
3) The Shermans were under surveillance before they were murdered.
4) The Night Walker was not one of the Sherman's friends, family or associates, he was likely unknown to them.
5) The Night Walker probably had assistance, and some of that assistance was from someone known by the Shermans.
6) Excellent possibility that the NW was not a Canadian resident.
7) I believe the NW walked to a Safe House that night.
8) The NW if he had entered and left Canada, was travelling under false documents. As well he did not travel directly to or from his country of domicile.
9) The NW's apparent gait and appearance in the videos could possibly and I believe most likely, be a ruse or disguise.
10) The perpetrator, the person who initiated the murders, knew they had to have an iron clad alibi.

Questions:
a) Why weren't the Shermans murdered the day before? This may seem like a dumb question, but is there any significance to when they were killed? Was it supposed to take place earlier, but something happened, to cause a delay? Was there a time zone miscalculation?
b) What caused the unusual cancellation in Honey's attendance at her meeting. To me for Honey to not attend, it would have to be some sort of family issue.
c) Whomever paid for the assassins' had the ability to hide the transfer of funds.

It appears to me, that this murder was carefully planned, it was not a crime of on the spot emotion. Therefore somebody had to see some benefits from the Shermans deaths.

a) Wasn't the meeting with the architects for the new home changed to the next day which also changed their other events such as not attending the dinner with D'Angelo? Who was at the dinner who may have learned about this change since the Sherman's could not attend?
b) Had to have been some important family person that would require this as you say.
c) Maybe cryptocurrency was involved in the payment.

 

[ldlager]

Still wondering if the killers found a way to temporarily mess around with cell and/or landline phone activity in the area, speculation, imo.
May. 31, 2019
Barry and Honey Sherman’s neighbours cite mysterious 911 call, visitor on day before billionaires found dead
''Toronto police were investigating a mysterious 911 call down the street from Barry and Honey Sherman’s home at the same time as the Apotex founder and his wife lay dead or dying, a Star investigation reveals.

The Shermans lived at 50 Old Colony Rd. They were last seen alive on the evening of Wednesday, Dec. 13, 2017. Their bodies were discovered two days later. No official time of death has been released but sources close to the case have said it is believed the Shermans died late on Wednesday or early Thursday morning. Police are investigating the case as a targeted double homicide.

On the Thursday morning at 9:45 a.m., a full day before the Sherman bodies were discovered, homeowners down the road from the Shermans answered a knock on their door. The Star has agreed not to identify the homeowners or their exact address. They live roughly 10 houses away on Old Colony, near Bayview Ave. and Hwy. 401''
On the Thursday morning at 9:45 a.m., a full day before the Sherman bodies were discovered, homeowners down the road from the Shermans answered a knock on their door. The Star has agreed not to identify the homeowners or their exact address. They live roughly 10 houses away on Old Colony, near Bayview Ave. and Hwy. 401.

The man at the door was a uniformed police officer asking if someone in their home had made a 911 call. The homeowners said no. The officer shared few details, but said police believed it came from the homeowners’ house, but did not say if the call had come from a cellular phone or a landline. The officer did not say what time the call came in.''

Strange. I live in the GTA and occasionally have pocket dialed 911 in error. The police call back to see if the call is real or not, they have NEVER sent a police resource to my house to confirm this. It seems strange that a police man/woman would have been personally sent to check this out.

#11) They wanted them both dead, because as someone pointed out earlier the killer could have waited a couple of days and just killed BS as HS was heading to Florida

Perhapsthe primary target was HS, and BS arrived home earlier than expected and had to be killed to protect the killers identity.

 

[ldlager]

a) Wasn't the meeting with the architects for the new home changed to the next day which also changed their other events such as not attending the dinner with D'Angelo? Who was at the dinner who may have learned about this change since the Sherman's could not attend?
b) Had to have been some important family person that would require this as you say.
c) Maybe cryptocurrency was involved in the payment.

There was a dinner with their daughter that was postponed and rescheduled a couple of times that week also.

 

[casesensitive]

After a four year murder investigation, TPS were "elated" thinking that cellular data would help solve this case. It took them some time to be granted warrants to multiple phone servers but it was all in vain, which they found out some months ago.

I think that all they have now is the night walker on surveillance video, which they provided after the cellular evidence was a bust. I again question why they didn't release this video immediately. I can't see any reason how this video could possibly jeopardize their investigation, which is the reason given by TPS for not releasing it four years ago.

Their close to chest, total silence, ignoring media requests and having to be taken to court, not giving statements to the public or asking the public for help hasn't worked out to well for them imo.

I think this video of the person who they think is their main suspect was withheld for four years because they wanted to solve the case without help, and restore their reputation after a widely held belief that they screwed up their initial investigation. jmo

Quote Det.-Const. Dennis Yim:

"At first, that’s what it looked like but by late summer 2021 — just over four months ago — elation turned to dismay.

“We’ve exhausted all the avenues (of the cellular data),” said Toronto police Det.-Const. Dennis Yim during a recent court appearance. “We’ve done comparisons and analysis and those comparisons and analyses have not borne any fruit.”

 

[MistyWaters]

Strange. I live in the GTA and occasionally have pocket dialed 911 in error. The police call back to see if the call is real or not, they have NEVER sent a police resource to my house to confirm this. It seems strange that a police man/woman would have been personally sent to check this out.


Perhapsthe primary target was HS, and BS arrived home earlier than expected and had to be killed to protect the killers identity.

If you answered and informed LE the call was a mistake, they’d have no need to respond. I know of a situation where somebody called 911 and then decided not to involve police, presumably didn’t answer the call back thinking they’d think it wasn’t important, then the police arrived at their doorstep. But cellphones 911 calls might be different than from a landline because LE wouldn’t be certain of the location the caller was calling from. But I believe 911 calls are taken very seriously, especially if it can’t be determined the call was a mistake.


“If you dial 9-1-1 accidentally, stay on the line and tell us. If you hang up we don’t know if you are okay and will have to call back or, if you’ve called from a landline and we can determine your location, send police to check on you.”
911 Calls Tips | 911 Emergency Dispatcher | 911 Emergency Dispatch

 

[deugirtni]

I know this makes no sense even as I am typing this but I have always wondered if whom ever is behind these murders had a bit of a conscience and phoned 911 so the police could discover the bodies but somehow the house # was wrong?

I'm not quite caught up yet, but something just occurred to me.

Is this a possibility?:

The killer goes and does the job, and leaves, starts walking, has a burner phone.. he has it set up to connect to whichever wifi network becomes available, he's looking at it and checking it while he's walking at a good pace. A few houses down from the Shermans, the people weren't knowledgeable enough to set their modem/router settings to prevent uninvited strangers from utilizing their wifi network.. the murderer sees he can now connect to someone's wifi, so he connects, and then dials 911.. and hangs up. He immediately removes the battery from the burner, or turns it off, or crushes it with his boot, whatever (or did he first call a cab to meet him a few blocks away, to take him to the airport?). LE receives a hangup 911 call, tries calling back, they get nothing, this burner phone had no voicemail capability, or it was not yet 'set up', etc. So they keep looking into it, and appear the next morning to the nearest address LE can determine the call came from, to ask the homeowners if anyone there called 911. The purpose of the killer calling 911 in the first place, may have been as 'window21' has indicated.. perhaps the hiring party had given that instruction, so that the bodies were found immediately? Or.. not? Because how would the bodies have been found, if LE wouldn't be able to determine from which address the call came? But wait. The purpose of the 911 call was not for LE to find the bodies, it was to make LE think that Honey had called 911 because she was being murdered by her husband!? Thoughts?

Edit to add.... in my theory above, this phone did not have any 'service', it worked solely with 'wifi'.. no wifi connection, no ability to use the phone. The perp would've had to use an app to be able to use it to make a phonecall, which would've been via wifi.