Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[Grace.212]

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Thanks, Grace! But just an FYI, we're only supposed to post 10% of any article. Don't be surprised if there's a mod snip.

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Opps, I was only posting because some members cant read the article because you need a subscription. No problem if it gets deleted.

 

[human]

If true it’s quite interesting and could tell investigators quite a bit. About timeline if nothing else. I wonder if he regularly communicated via email.

A fascinating detail that we have no info on except time. Did he communicate often so late at night? I mean it is late as the workday should be over.

 

[AllyJane]

If true it’s quite interesting and could tell investigators quite a bit. About timeline if nothing else. I wonder if he regularly communicated via email.

It would also be interesting to know if the email was sent from the office or home. If it were the office, it could mean that BS went back to the office after the architect meeting and HS went home giving someone opportunity to kill her first before he got home. IMO.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

If true it’s quite interesting and could tell investigators quite a bit. About timeline if nothing else. I wonder if he regularly communicated via email.

I'd sure love to know what was in that email. I wonder if it was responding to a prior email? I wonder if it was "taking a few days off" or "can't take a call right now, looks like we have visitors"?

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[kiwi50]

“The concept of letting go was not anywhere in his DNA,” said Apotex vice chairman Jack Kay, who had worked alongside Mr. Sherman for 35 years.

Thanks Grace interesting article.

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

These are billionaires and the children are well to do I am sure. They do not need the things ordinary people do.

I do wonder what happens to the issues surrounding the new house being built, but even if it is $10 million dollars, that is a drop in the bucket for a billionaire

Why do you assume that? Many self made men like BS expect their children to do the same. Often inheritance is tied up in trusts up
To middle age. From what I have read he probably had accountants handle corporate and foundation and trust accounts but like many wealthy people kept his hand in paying day to day expenses. Trust no one with your money. Probate takes time and the vast majority of people are under prepared. Meanwhile many things become due and payable upon death and there are always sharks out to cash in on that when a wealthy person dies. Many wealthy keep their money tied up either for tax reasons or to protect from lawsuits. Insurance can be left to a trust or executor to finalize the estate, pay off debts and most parents don’t want that financial burden placed in their children. I am speaking from experience coming from a very similar family.

 

[matou]

Thanks Grace. So BS was thinking about selling off Apotex? hmmmm from the Wall Street Journal article:

• Before his death, Mr. Sherman had been considering a sale of the company, said several people familiar with Apotex. Mr. Sherman was considering a sale before the recent downturn in generic drug prices in the U.S., these people said. Generic drug prices have been falling due to more competition in the generic market, driven in part by faster approvals by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.​
• Apotex’s Mr. Berman declined to comment on any plans for a sale.​

• https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204​

 

[RAISINISBACK]

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

On the evening of Dec. 13, a day and a half before his body’s discovery, Mr. Sherman sent an email to an Apotex executive at 8:30 p.m., according to a person familiar with the matter. He didn’t come to work on Dec. 14—a rare occurrence for a man described by his own son as a workaholic.

If in fact he did send an email at 8:30 it could speak to TOD. Depending on what time the meeting with the architect (if indeed such a meeting took place) ended it could put to rest some of the speculation on whether they were ambushed when they arrived home. For example if the supposed meeting ended at 6:00 PM then we could assume they arrived home by at least 7:00 PM. If an email was sent at 8:30 PM then we could assume they had been home an hour or more before the email was sent.

I would love to know the contents of that email and if BS sent out any others. Was HS also sending out emails or making calls or on any social media?

That 8:30 PM email does put a new spin on things.

JMO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

A fascinating detail that we have no info on except time. Did he communicate often so late at night? I mean it is late as the workday should be over.

Actually not late for an executive of a multinational corporation. Execs get to that level because they're willing to work practically 24/7 at the sacrifice of everything else. Not to mention a global organization crosses a myriad of time zones, so very late and very early calls are an almost daily occurrence.

That's why I'll never be rich, I don't want to work that hard.

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[Elley Mae]

Snipped by me for brevity.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204



If in fact he did send an email at 8:30 it could speak to TOD. Depending on what time the meeting with the architect (if indeed such a meeting took place) ended it could put to rest some of the speculation on whether they were ambushed when they arrived home. For example if the supposed meeting ended at 6:00 PM then we could assume they arrived home by at least 7:00 PM. If an email was sent at 8:30 PM then we could assume they had been home an hour or more before the email was sent.

I would love to know the contents of that email and if BS sent out any others. Was HS also sending out emails or making calls or on any social media?

That 8:30 PM email does put a new spin on things.

JMO

If in fact he did send an email at 8:30 it could speak to TOD. Depending on what time the meeting with the architect (if indeed such a meeting took place) ended it could put to rest some of the speculation on whether they were ambushed when they arrived home. For example if the supposed meeting ended at 6:00 PM then we could assume they arrived home by at least 7:00 PM. If an email was sent at 8:30 PM then we could assume they had been home an hour or more before the email was sent.

I would love to know the contents of that email and if BS sent out any others. Was HS also sending out emails or making calls or on any social media?

That 8:30 PM email does put a new spin on things.

JMO


There was a post that stated they arrived at the architects in separate vehicles, not sure where they were coming from. Could he have sent the email from the office? Then went to meeting w/ architects where he met Honey?

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

A fascinating detail that we have no info on except time. Did he communicate often so late at night? I mean it is late as the workday should be over.

Although according to many reports he was a workaholic and often worked 12+ hours a day. It would not be that late if he regularly tied up loose ends in the evening or if he spent all day in the lab and only got to his email at night.

 

[kiwi50]

Actually not late for an executive of a multinational corporation. Execs get to that level because they're willing to work practically 24/7 at the sacrifice of everything else. Not to mention a global organization crosses a myriad of time zones, so very late and very early calls are an almost daily occurrence.

That's why I'll never be rich, I don't want to work that hard.

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Especially for someone described as a workaholic. Wouldn’t surprise me if he fired off many emails every night, but probably means he was alive at 8.30 pm.

 

[otto]

There was a post that stated they arrived at the architects in separate vehicles, not sure where they were coming from. Could he have sent the email from the office? Then went to meeting w/ architects where he met Honey?

Does it make sense that he was at work, and she was at home, prior to the meeting with the architect? I agree that architects will work later hours to accommodate clients, but I don't see them setting a meeting at 9PM.

I think it makes more sense that they had the meeting, and the email was sent afterward. I think it's conceivable that the email was sent after the wife was murdered.

 

[pamelado2]

If they met with the architect at the building site, would they have done so after dark? What time was sundown - close to 5 right?
If not, maybe Barry did go back to work for a couple hours. If he actually sent that email from his office that could explain the difference in timing with their deaths. Also why they both still had jackets on.

ALSO!!! How accurate is time of death? If he was at the office until 8:30 that *could* be used to show he wasn't home to kill her.

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[otto]

If they met with the architect at the building site, would they have done so after dark? If not, maybe Barry did go back to work for a couple hours. If he actually sent that email from his office that could explain the difference in timing with their deaths. Also why they both still had jackets on.

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I really doubt that a couple in their seventies has any reason to meet an architect at the site of a demolished house after dark in the winter. There's nothing to see, and no reason to be there.

 

[Twinkle]

Opps, I was only posting because some members cant read the article because you need a subscription. No problem if it gets deleted.

Usually you can copy and paste the url into a private tab or go incognito tab and you can read the articles. At least it has worked for me.

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[Sphinx]

That seems very plausible.



and the Toronto Police are notorious for being lazy. Just look at Laura Babcocks case.



A dead body is not easy to maneuver, it would fall off the chair and be a nightmare to move around.




That is one thing that a lot of people forget - murder is not easy! If you want to kill someone you have to be really dedicated. I find it hard to believe he would be able to move her on his own and set that all up. That being said, some drugs can make you super strong and hyped. Toxicology reports should tell us a story there.

This article just adds to the strangeness, but also shows how LE must not be trusted blindly; https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...micide-detective-probing-shermans-deaths.html

Keep in mind, the media is not always trustworthy, and they can have an agenda. A lot of what is pushed as Fake News is actually true, and vice versa.

Really interesting about that Tweet that went out before the death was even announced. So, who is in control of that social media account and how did they know?

Maybe it was part of the killers' plan, to leak right away that it was a murder-suicide, so that would get out in the press first. I would like to know who was responsible for it.

IMO

 

[musicaljoke]

It’s hard to imagine the beneficiary(ies) of the policy not being the children who are due to inherit anyway, so it doesn’t really add any incentive.

There were many others who were provided for though the generosity of the Shermans.

Do we know that the children, instead of a trust or corporation would directly inherit the company? Somehow I doubt that it would be so straightforward.

 

[human]

Why do you assume that? Many self made men like BS expect their children to do the same. Often inheritance is tied up in trusts up
To middle age. From what I have read he probably had accountants handle corporate and foundation and trust accounts but like many wealthy people kept his hand in paying day to day expenses. Trust no one with your money. Probate takes time and the vast majority of people are under prepared. Meanwhile many things become due and payable upon death and there are always sharks out to cash in on that when a wealthy person dies. Many wealthy keep their money tied up either for tax reasons or to protect from lawsuits. Insurance can be left to a trust or executor to finalize the estate, pay off debts and most parents don’t want that financial burden placed in their children. I am speaking from experience coming from a very similar family.

Billionaire? A billion is one hundred million. And they had more than one billion

 

[dotr]

I wonder about those floors. When wet they are deadly.

An article stated that Honey wore Crocs. Maybe she no longer does. When my Crocs got worn down, they were deadly because I would slip with them on slippery surfaces.

The idea of him dragging her all over the place and then setting up the pool scenario sounds absurd for a 75 year old man who had back problems according to a friend in an article that I read on here.

I am a few years younger than he is, but I know people in that age bracket. Unless one is an athlete, people age 75 do not have a lot of strenght to do such things. Was he working out in the gym in his home?

I know some older people are decrying the age bit, but I am in that age bracket and I rarely see anyone that is very fit. Barry was in an office and research shows sitting around is particulalry bad for people.

Of course, there are older people who run marathons, but they are the exception.

The person(s) who may have moved HS does not have to be BS. imo.