Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[zencompass]

From the Toronto Sun:

"Sources say investigators found the Shermans, side by side, in their windowless pool room, each with a men’s leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing. Both had on jackets that were pulled “behind their backs” and rolled down over their arms."

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-mystery-shrouds-deaths-of-billionaire-coupl

 

[zencompass]

It's the part about the jackets that makes me wonder if a person could do that to himself as well.

I suppose it is possible for someone to do this to themselves after pulling a jacket back onto someone else's arms.

Just because I haven't heard of anyone else doing this - doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

Every day I have more questions about this case.

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

Do we know that the wife's car was towed, that police were looking on the roof of the house, or that the sewer is being searched? If yes, then we are accepting more information than what was in the initial written police statement. We can't selectively choose what news reports to believe. If we reject all information published in the news, then we also have to reject that the wife's car was towed, regardless of whether we saw it with our own eyes in a news report.

True. Many saw on the news that a Lexus Sport Utility Vehicle was towed from the driveway of 50 Old Colony Road by a Toronto Police Service tow truck.
From what I've seen, nobody has confirmed that this vehicle belonged to the Shermans by checking the licence plate or Vehicle Identification Number against Ministry of Transportation, Ontario records.

 

[zencompass]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apotex-barry-sherman-succession-1.4462150

The (above) article mentions that Barry Sherman initiated a "succession plan" five years ago.

From the article:

"Barry had developed a robust succession plan which he began implementing five years ago when he stepped down as CEO," Apotex spokesman Jordan Berman said in an email Friday. "

"From that point on until his tragic death, Dr. Sherman was no longer involved in day-to-day operations at Apotex rather, focused on some specific aspects of the business."

 

[zencompass]

I suppose that the police are not able to confirm or deny any sources because that would qualify as "leaking information."

 

[NaanOfYourBusiness]

One would hang themselves 'better' if they knelt or sat after sticking ones head into the loop before leaning into it.
Restricting ones arms would prevent the tearing at the 'noose'/belt that is a normal reaction to being suffocated. One would still thrash about but be unable to undo or tear at it.

Though an accurate description, to imagine this as the last moment of Honey & Barry's life here on earth is extremely horrific and gruesome for the family .. Horrific!

 

[deugirtni]

I think it is a light:

The other lights in the photograph of the Sherman pool are *on*, however there is no light coming from the black box in the upper right corner wall in their pool room.. the picture you have posted above - it is not the Sherman pool, correct?

 

[Matzoh]

http://http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/

If this is true (that they arrived home separately) and still had coats on, and that they're investigating her vehicle and that she was killed elsewhere, I would guess she was ambushed and killed in the garage. Or is it possible she was ambushed and threatened first as a hostage to get BS's compliance? If the bit about the coats restraining their arms is true, I think it's unlikely that it's a murder-suicide. I would guess a contract killer, maybe hired by the cousins (who seemed to roll in unsavoury circles).

 

[anonypotomous]

What did he see in her?

How awful it must have been for her to live the millionaire life while he did all the dirty work and made all the money.

She didn't seem to complain, criticize, or comment publicly. That leaves complicit. Whatever negative you think he did, she supported it for a majority of her lifetime.

Duly noted! Great points.


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[Elley Mae]

The National Post has learned that a second set of autopsies was conducted by a private pathologist before the couple’s burial. The results have not been released, not even to the coroner’s office.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

The family has retained a lawyer and a private investigation firm, and family members have taken steps to enhance their personal security.

 

[deugirtni]

http://http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/

If this is true (that they arrived home separately) and still had coats on, and that they're investigating her vehicle and that she was killed elsewhere, I would guess she was ambushed and killed in the garage. Or is it possible she was ambushed and threatened first as a hostage to get BS's compliance? If the bit about the coats restraining their arms is true, I think it's unlikely that it's a murder-suicide. I would guess a contract killer, maybe hired by the cousins (who seemed to roll in unsavoury circles).

Thank you for posting. Quote doesn't work: should be: http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/

 

[deugirtni]

Forgive me if this has been posted already... I realize that B was not a religious man, and was in fact an atheist.. however.. they *were* supporters of the Jewish community.. has Hannukah been considered at all as being of any importance in the timing of all of this?

Hanukkah 2017 began in the evening ofTuesday
, December 12


and ended in the evening ofWednesday
, December 20

 

[SteveHolt!]

IF HS was moved following her murder, then the jackets both pulled down, would imply to me, that her killer wanted the murder to appear as a mutual, identical, suicide.

If HS was strangled elsewhere (and from what has been reported that could mean just a few feet from where she was found), maybe BS naively thought that by hanging her after she was strangled, and exactly as he intended to hang himself, it would appear to be a double suicide.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

That is a little unusual though, isn't it? Was there a reason that Honey did not carry or give birth to their children after the first daughter?

There could be any number of medical issues that could prevent or discourage her from carrying another baby. Could be a reproductive system issue that arose after the first child, or something that came up after, or it could be an unrelated health issue.

After my third, I was diagnosed with a number of unrelated health issues (kidney and a few other things) and told not to have more kids.


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[Elley Mae]

Forgive me if this has been posted already... I realize that B was not a religious man, and was in fact an atheist.. however.. they *were* supporters of the Jewish community.. has Hannukah been considered at all as being of any importance in the timing of all of this?

Hanukkah 2017 began in the evening ofTuesday
, December 12


and ended in the evening ofWednesday
, December 20

Do you have a link stating Mr. Sherman was atheist?

Could he have been agnostic?

 

[akd33]

That is a little unusual though, isn't it? Was there a reason that Honey did not carry or give birth to their children after the first daughter?

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/two-legacies-one-dark-mystery-toronto-elite-reeling-after-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

"Their first child, a daughter, named Lauren, was born in 1975. After several miscarriages the couple turned to surrogacy, giving them a son and two more daughters: Jonathon in 1983, Alexandra in 1986, and Kaelen in 1990."

 

[Grace.212]

There could be any number of medical issues that could prevent or discourage her from carrying another baby. Could be a reproductive system issue that arose after the first child, or something that came up after, or it could be an unrelated health issue.

After my third, I was diagnosed with a number of unrelated health issues (kidney and a few other things) and told not to have more kids.


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Casually he informed me that Lauren, his oldest daughter, is his wife’s only “natural” child. Honey suffered several miscarriages after her birth. When it looked as if they couldn’t have more children, they decided against adoption and opted for surrogacy.

https://torontolife.com/from-the-archives/barry-sherman-bitter-pill-from-the-archives/

 

[Tortoise]

Thank you for posting. Quote doesn't work: should be: http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/

I see that article leaves out Mossad. That's my top choice, looking at Barry's political lobbying.

 

[Tortoise]

Do you have a link stating Mr. Sherman was atheist?

Could he have been agnostic?

It was in his personal writings.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...atheist-convictions-in-unfinished-memoir.html

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Seems to me BS was a nihilist. So ironic. JMO

A nihilist, emotionally cold and narcissistic, extremely driven to win, a workaholic who it appears devoted himself primarily to building his business success, minimal close social contacts, concerned about his legacy... who retired several years ago and was no longer active in the day to day business and at 75 was likely experiencing some age related decline...

I can certainly see someone with those personality traits finding aging intolerable. The physical and mental changes that come with aging, and seeing a future of further decline... it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he decided to go out on his own terms. If life is without meaning, other than his personal drive to succeed, which was now a part of his past, why carry on? Why deal with memory loss, ED, incontinence, declining hearing and vision, etc.?

He was thinking about death and his mortality twenty years ago. His unfinished memoir was all about himself and his work, with barely a couple of lines mentioning his family. What does a man like him do when his work is no longer there? Most people have religious and/or family and social ties, and are able to find life meaningful in any number of ways. It doesn't appear that he had any of that.

Exit stage left.

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