Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[jillycat]

I've seen references to them both having coats and boots on. Is there a link or a summary of what was noted in media? And I assume this is a 'sources said' kind of thing?

 

[minorone]

Carry the body down them or have a chair upstairs and another downstairs.

It's not like the guy was an invalid. Given determination, he could move the body in whatever way he could figure out.

Edited to add: we also don't know what floor she was killed on. Perhaps no stairs were involved at all.

jmo

Years ago my neighbor came over and indulged into too much wine. When it came time to wine down, she fell going down three stairs in my entrance & there was no way I could pick her up. She was trying to help me, but I could not get her up. I had to go and call another neighbor to help me. Her and I were approx, the same weight. Maybe when adrenalin kicks in you could muster the strength to move that much weight,

It is much more difficult than I would have expected. I work out & do weights, but no way could I get her up.

 

[tarabull]

Someone (I think it was JDG) mentioned earlier (previous thread?) about a podcast that mentions the housekeeper(s).......but I couldn't find any such podcast....anyone have the link to any such thing???

 

[tarabull]

:whistle:

You know what they say about opinions....

:blushing:

But for real.

None of them change what has or hasn't happened here.

 

[Jennifer17]

How do you maneuver the stairs?

Slide her down wrapped in a floor rug?

 

[tarabull]

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[Snoopster]

It wasn't a murder/suicide.
It was made to look like one and the cops fell for it and it was the easiest to explain and less work.
If it was a murder/suicide, it doesn't make sense that hs still had her coat and boots on. That would mean they both have had arrived home at the same time with different vehicles. Then both enter at the same time. If she got home first. Thats mean she would have just stood there and waited for him to get in.
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She came in. Was popped and thrown to the side. Reason her rigor mortis got all screwed up when they staged the scene..The perps were waiting.
Whoever it was, wanted both of them dead.
If they wanted to just kill him, it could have been done anywhere else while following him and it would like a random act and made too like a robbery or carjacking.

I hadn't heard about Honey still having her boots on. Was that in a media article?

 

[Snoopster]

Slide her down wrapped in a floor rug?

drag her by a belt wrapped around her neck?

 

[Jennifer17]

I hadn't heard about Honey still having her boots on. Was that in a media article?

IIrc it was on the Frank article and only that one.

 

[tarabull]

I hadn't heard about Honey still having her boots on. Was that in a media article?

It's the last sentence in the 3rd last paragraph here http://frankmag.ca/2017/12/what-happened-to-the-shermans/

First posted here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Toronto-15-Dec-2017-2&p=13829523#post13829523

 

[tarabull]

There would be some sort of tell tale signs of her being dragged...

Time will tell.

 

[Inthedetails]

Did she have her boots on when she was found?! This is the first I heard of this. Then no way could this be suicide IMOO

Suicide has never been an issue in regards to Honey. It seems, from what has been reported, that she was murdered and then her body was staged to look like suicide.

The question is whether Barry committed suicide or was murdered.

jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

Wouldn't there be some sort of tell tale signs of her being dragged????

Perhaps there were.

We don't know much.

As much as people say how difficult it is to move a dead body, Honey was moved, as far as we know.

jmo

 

[dotr]

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February 24, 2016

That phase of D’Angelo’s career came to a crashing halt in 2007, with his exit from his beverage empire and an ensuing $120-million corporate bankruptcy. Steelback no longer exists, but Frank is back in charge of D’Angelo Brands, a food and drink company that manufactures Arizona Ice Tea, and private labels for grocers. And he is still, somehow, friends and partners with the guy who was owed all that money—Bernard “Barry” Sherman, one of Canada’s richest men and the co-executive producer of Vampire.

D’Angelo also points to a pending distribution deal with an unnamed company for all five of his works. “We’re not gambling on them. We’ll do very well. We have star power.”

The “we” in this case is Frank and his best friend, Barry Sherman. The chairman of Apotex Inc., Canada’s largest generic drug maker, Sherman is ranked as the country’s 11th-wealthiest person, with a net worth of US$5.3 billion. “He’s a brilliant man. He’s partners in everything that I do,” says D’Angelo. “I trust his judgment. I’m out there. He’s the ABS brakes on my situation as a human being.” They met in 2002, when Sherman was selling a factory he had acquired in Tiverton, Ont., that also contained a small brewery. The relationship blossomed, with Sherman’s Wasanda Enterprises extending more and more financing for D’Angelo’s beverage dreams. At the time of the $120-million 2007 bankruptcy, Sherman was really the only creditor, and held the paper on everything Frank owned, including his home at the time, in Toronto’s Forest Hill neighbourhood.

Sherman rarely gives interviews, but D’Angelo is able to get him on the phone in short order and twist his arm. In the course of a five-minute conversation, he describes Frank as a “hard worker” at least eight times. Their business past was a disappointment, he acknowledges. “Some calculation errors were made that resulted in a substantial loss,” says Sherman, specifying that D’Angelo spent far too much promoting his brands and not enough distributing them. Yet that has no bearing on their current partnership. “When I make decisions, it’s always looking forwards, not backwards,” says Sherman. “And in terms of the films, I believe in him. The value substantially exceeds the costs.” The profits have yet to materialize, but Sherman doesn’t seem too worried. “I like helping people and Frank deserves to succeed.” We should all be lucky enough to have a friend like Barry.

rbbm.

 

[JDG]

I've seen references to them both having coats and boots on. Is there a link or a summary of what was noted in media? And I assume this is a 'sources said' kind of thing?

no. nothing of the sort has been said. The only statement was the COD. JMO

 

[JDG]

Someone (I think it was JDG) mentioned earlier (previous thread?) about a podcast that mentions the housekeeper(s).......but I couldn't find any such podcast....anyone have the link to any such thing???

Nope. Not I. JMO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Well that's actually very interesting.

The house staff did not normally go to the pool area.

Yet the pool area was was their final destination in death.

Very curious.

If, hypothetically he did actually kill her and then kill himself - which I'm furthest away on concluding, personally - I would think he would WANT the staff to be the ones to find them, as opposed to their children.

IIRC, none of the kids lived locally, so he wouldn't have had to worry about that.

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[Peace777]

Another version with the dusting on the blue car (bear with me, or scroll and roll, lol)

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&rct=...aw0Vlc5h1toCSCQvYDb22fkF&ust=1514477926322549

Snow on the ground so if there was someone else at the house the previous night or the day the bodies were found they likely left footprints in the snow. If they had a car parked nearby then tire prints and footprints leading to and away from the home?
Maybe that's why street sewers were being searched. JMO

 

[kay74]

Suicide has never been an issue in regards to Honey. It seems, from what has been reported, that she was murdered and then her body was staged to look like suicide.

The question is whether Barry committed suicide or was murdered.

jmo

Yes, I meant suicide/murder.

 

[kay74]

Snow on the ground so if there was someone else at the house the previous night or the day the bodies were found they likely left footprints in the snow. If they had a car parked nearby then tire prints and footprints leading to and away from the home?


Unless the staff snow-blowed the driveway and they came in that way.