Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #3

[pamelado2]

And as much as I appreciate all of the 'correcting', I understood exactly what you meant. In Toronto, you will not be turned away from a 'Realtors Open House' if you stop by. I do understand your posts, perhaps wait to see if one has questions about them.
Now, I going back to sleuthing.

So you're saying that a person in the general public who just happened by when there were a bunch of cars in the driveway in a house that was for sale would be given a showing if they walked up and rang the bell. I suppose that could happen, although it's very unlikely. Especially since it would just be a huge coincidence as those open houses are never advertised.

It is possible you're talking about a different type of realtor open house. The only time a realtor invites his competition to an open house is after he (and the Realtors in his office) have tried selling the house and failed. That's never done with a house that's new to the market because you want your clients to have a jump on the purchase and keep all the commission in your office if possible.


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[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by deugirtni
Why does 'Tommy Klatt' look so familiar to me? Does he look like a movie star or something?

Yeah, he looked familiar to me as well...can't really find too much online about him...

http://www.advocatedaily.com/profile/mkd-a-p-i-firm-backed-by-former-police-officers.html

Is it this guy I'm thinking of (somehow I think it's a 'movie star', as opposed to a TV star?), but I saw this suggested by someone online on a comment (CSI):

 

[Sistertamala]

I think he looks like James Galafino from the Sopranos

 

[andreww]

So you're saying that a person in the general public who just happened by when there were a bunch of cars in the driveway in a house that was for sale would be given a showing if they walked up and rang the bell. I suppose that could happen, although it's very unlikely. Especially since it would just be a huge coincidence as those open houses are never advertised.

It is possible you're talking about a different type of realtor open house. The only time a realtor invites his competition to an open house is after he (and the Realtors in his office) have tried selling the house and failed. That's never done with a house that's new to the market because you want your clients to have a jump on the purchase and keep all the commission in your office if possible.


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Having just sold a house in the Toronto area I can tell you that you can sell the house however you please. In my case the home was listed through the TREB site which is viewed by realtors, they in turn post the listing on the individual sites. We had fully intended to have an open house three days after listing, however, we received a decent offer through another agent within hours of listing and accepted. So it seems to me the entire process has to involve two agents, on for the seller and one through the buyer. Our open house was not going to be advertised, only the realtors would know about it. I don't think walkup traffic was ever considered.

 

[MistyWaters]

Probably nothing, just something somewhat unusual regarding a high end builder of million + dollar homes.

It's about the name on the builder's sign on the bulldozed lot registered to Mrs Sherman, appearing in this article.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/28/the-house-honey-and-barry-sherman-would-have-built.html

Google warns this builder.net webpage - "This site may be hacked".

Same prefix.com - no connection, a different company involving marine engineering in Wisconsin.

 

[zencompass]

Originally Posted by deugirtni
Why does 'Tommy Klatt' look so familiar to me? Does he look like a movie star or something?


Is it this guy I'm thinking of (somehow I think it's a 'movie star', as opposed to a TV star?), but I saw this suggested by someone online on a comment (CSI):

I can't resist stating that : only on Websleuths would we have sleuthers sleuthing the sleuth. Just my opinion.

 

[dotr]

Probably nothing, just something somewhat unusual regarding a high end builder of million + dollar homes.

It's about the name on the builder's sign on the bulldozed lot registered to Mrs Sherman, appearing in this article.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/28/the-house-honey-and-barry-sherman-would-have-built.html

Google warns this builder.net webpage - "This site may be hacked".

Same prefix.com - no connection, a different company involving marine engineering in Wisconsin.

Weird, just went to the site to see where the B company was located and my computer crashed!

 

[dotr]

I can't resist stating that : only on Websleuths would we have sleuthers sleuthing the sleuth. Just my opinion.

LOL, good one zencompass!

 

[MistyWaters]

Having just sold a house in the Toronto area I can tell you that you can sell the house however you please. In my case the home was listed through the TREB site which is viewed by realtors, they in turn post the listing on the individual sites. We had fully intended to have an open house three days after listing, however, we received a decent offer through another agent within hours of listing and accepted. So it seems to me the entire process has to involve two agents, on for the seller and one through the buyer. Our open house was not going to be advertised, only the realtors would know about it. I don't think walkup traffic was ever considered.

By my recent experience as well, the listing terms are fully open to negotiation.

One of which is the option pertaining to arrangements for viewings -- for example it may be stipulated that 24 hours notice is required to be given to the homeowner. I wonder if the realtor dropped by because they weren't able to reach the Shermans by phone to prearrange something of that nature.

 

[dotr]

By my recent experience as well, the listing terms are fully open to negotiation.

One of which is the option pertaining to arrangements for viewings -- for example it may be stipulated that 24 hours notice is required to be given to the homeowner. I wonder if the realtor dropped by because they weren't able to reach the Shermans by phone to prearrange something of that nature.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...rrific-death-of-jewish-community-power-couple

Emergency responders discovered their bodies near the lap pool inside the home’s basement. A real estate agent who’d gone to their home after not being able to reach them made the horrific discovery.

 

[deugirtni]

I can't resist stating that : only on Websleuths would we have sleuthers sleuthing the sleuth. Just my opinion.

haha. It was just bugging me as to who Klatt reminded me of.. I'm terrible terrible, the worst ever, with names.. so.. was looking for some help.. this isn't who I was thinking of, I don't think.. but.. he's close too.. I'm not sleuthing him.. just wondering who he reminds me of.

 

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by deugirtni
Why does 'Tommy Klatt' look so familiar to me? Does he look like a movie star or something?


Is it this guy I'm thinking of (somehow I think it's a 'movie star', as opposed to a TV star?), but I saw this suggested by someone online on a comment (CSI):

I think it was Tommy Lee Jones I was thinking of - mystery solved - sorry for the OT!:

 

[deugirtni]

One thing I must admit that's throws a question mark for me is why the Shermans listed their family home before the new place was completed.

For us common non-billionaire folk typically it's a matter of necessity because the sale proceeds are required to finance the construction. But doing it that way, aside from the inconvenience of residing in a home that's for sale, after it's sold adds the additional hassle and stress of temporary living on the interim, possessions being placed in storage coupled with unknown construction delays and move in date, essentially putting life in limbo during the entire duration. I don't understand why anyone who could obviously afford to complete the construction first wouldn't just move once and then sell the emptied existing home after the new one was completed.

It's possible that a home in that price range could potentially take awhile to sell. And then to find the right buyers who thought the concrete exterior was what they wanted, etc. Not sure how much one might want to spend on renos in addition to the purch price. And such a buyer might also have a home to sell, etc., potentially making a long closing date attractive for all parties?

 

[human]

Probably nothing, just something somewhat unusual regarding a high end builder of million + dollar homes.

It's about the name on the builder's sign on the bulldozed lot registered to Mrs Sherman, appearing in this article.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/12/28/the-house-honey-and-barry-sherman-would-have-built.html

Google warns this builder.net webpage - "This site may be hacked".

Same prefix.com - no connection, a different company involving marine engineering in Wisconsin.

There are the names of the lamdscape and the house architect in this interesting article.

I only looked at the info about the house architect.

Where is that located in relationship to their present home?

https://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Ontario/Toronto/Villa-Villa-Architect-Inc/6645683.html

 

[human]

It's possible that a home in that price range could potentially take awhile to sell. And then to find the right buyers who thought the concrete exterior was what they wanted, etc. Not sure how much one might want to spend on renos in addition to the purch price. And such a buyer might also have a home to sell, etc., potentially making a long closing date attractive for all parties?

I was wondering as well as to how long it would take to sell the house. I do not know the neighborhood. Would the lot appeal to someone with enough money to tear it down?

 

[human]

It's possible that a home in that price range could potentially take awhile to sell. And then to find the right buyers who thought the concrete exterior was what they wanted, etc. Not sure how much one might want to spend on renos in addition to the purch price. And such a buyer might also have a home to sell, etc., potentially making a long closing date attractive for all parties?

I was wondering as well as to how long it would take to sell the house. I do not know the neighborhood. Would the lot appeal to someone with enough money to tear it down?

 

[deugirtni]

Personally, I can't imagine these people, or that home, being shown at open house. I don't live in Toronto, so perhaps it's different there, however where I live, it seems the more successful agents don't do open houses at all, feeling it's a waste of time and fetches only tire kickers and nosy neighbours.. and that anyone truly interested in the home will make an appointment to view with their own agent, who they are presumably already signed up with on their own buyer representation agreement. A home like that would appeal to relatively few buyers, compared with many other homes, and in these days, when we have to think about safety and privacy and etc., I would think it would be all the more unlikely that homeowners would even want an open house to be held. jmo.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

BBM

Well, you know what they say... The first 40 years are the hardest.

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Well I am in good shape then. I passed that 40 year mark a few years ago.

I am not sure how close Barry and Honey were. It sounds like they both had a lot of interests that were separate from each other. Her with charities and him with work. Maybe they just grew apart to the point that Honey couldn't stand the thought of him retiring and her having to put up with him 24/7 so she decided it was time for a separation or divorce. Maybe he didn't want to share his money in a divorce. Or there could have been deep seated resentments in their marriage.

I am not sure. Hubby and I heatedly discuss football sometimes but over all we have no real issues in our marriage and have the same goals in life.

 

[kiwi50]

I wonder how the children and Honey felt about Barry telling reporter that only Lauren was Honeys ‘natural’ child. That makes me think the surrogate mothers did not use Honeys eggs.
It seems a private thing to tell the world about.
Take away the money and I think Honey would have had a sad marriage, a cold distant workaholic husband.
A man who feels entitled to correct virtually anyone’s grammar, makes me cringe at how he would treat his family at home.

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder how the children and Honey felt about Barry telling reporter that only Lauren was Honeys ‘natural’ child. That makes me think the surrogate mothers did not use Honeys eggs.
It seems a private thing to tell the world about.
Take away the money and I think Honey would have had a sad marriage, a cold distant workaholic husband.
A man who feels entitled to correct virtually anyone’s grammar, makes me cringe at how he would treat his family at home.

I agree. I get the feeling that he wasn't a very nice man at all. I know that some people thank him for being able to afford generic medications but I don't believe altruism was his purpose in that, it was money.