Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #3

[Yvettea]

The older child had his parents, and presumably their love and nurturance, longer than the others. That could be what made the difference as far as tackling life head on. Children Need someone to champion them when they are young. My heart goes out to the children they were, even if I don't agree with their lawsuit.

How does this relate to the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman?

 

[Grey-St]

How does this relate to the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman?

Ha, I knew this was coming. It was just a conversation that arose, like all the many others, about BS and his business dealings and lawsuits. It speaks to the type of person BS was, along with the many other discussions of varying topics that allude to the same. Just like his memoir. Just like all the MSM articles circling. Can't that all be discussed? The Winter cousins are relevant in my opinion. Not a big deal.

 

[pamelado2]

In my opinion, they were wronged as children when Royal Trust and Barry Sherman hid the 15% royalties offer from the Official Guardian as well as the adoptive parents.

Aside from monies they would still be receiving from the royalties, this would have kept a "connection" between them and their father. A connection with their father's purpose. They may have carried on this purpose.

It's astonishing how people lead their lives when they feel "purpose" as opposed to having "no purpose". Feeling lost and disconnected.
I've been considering how the Winter children may have fared, had they received the 15% royalties of their father's work in producing chemical processes of aspirin and valium.

In a sense, they would have stayed "connected" to their father's legacy. The royalties would have been a "continuance" of theiir father's legacy. This may have given them pride and inspired them to make their father proud. It may have given them direction. More than this - it may have given them purpose.

Who said Barry Sherman hid it? Or that it was hidden at all? Didn't the adoptive parents have an obligation to read the contract?

Why was the clause put in there anyway - if the 2 sides that agreed to it were "hiding" it from the kids? Don't you think that's why the court didn't rule in the children's favor?
If neither side of that contract were speaking for or trying to benefit the children that never would have been stipulated. The kids would have received the $$$ from the sale and that's it.


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[Grey-St]

The older child had his parents, and presumably their love and nurturance, longer than the others. That could be what made the difference as far as tackling life head on. Children Need someone to champion them when they are young. My heart goes out to the children they were, even if I don't agree with their lawsuit.

That's a really interesting point that I hadn't considered, regarding the oldest cousin. Thanks for that!

 

[Yvettea]

There's been a good bit of discussion about Barry Sherman's treatment of his cousins, but I haven't seen a connection made to his death. Previously it has been pointed out that Barry Sherman expressed an interest in mutually advantageous behavior. Did he see a benefit to himself in honoring an agreement with his young cousins, or did he believe he had already satisfied his obligation to them?

 

[pamelado2]

How does this relate to the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman?

Also, it has been discussed that the cousins had reason to want Barry dead.

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[Yvettea]

Ha, I knew this was coming. It was just a conversation that arose, like all the many others, about BS and his business dealings and lawsuits. It speaks to the type of person BS was, along with the many other discussions of varying topics that allude to the same. Just like his memoir. Just like all the MSM articles circling. Can't that all be discussed? The Winter cousins are relevant in my opinion. Not a big deal.

So you are making the point, perhaps, that his treatment of people contributed to his murder or do I misunderstand your point?

 

[Grey-St]

There's been a good bit of discussion about Barry Sherman's treatment of his cousins, but I haven't seen a connection made to his death. Previously it has been pointed out that Barry Sherman expressed an interest in mutually advantageous behavior. Did he see a benefit to himself in honoring an agreement with his young cousins, or did he believe he had already satisfied his obligation to them?

Well no, he didn't see a benefit to himself in honouring an agreement with his young cousins, or I suppose he would have. Some people think thats the sad part, others don't. It's a matter of opinion really.

To only ever partake in "mutually advantageous behaviour" or only act on something that benefits yourself, isn't (as someone else mentioned) a world I particularly want to live in, but to each their own I suppose.

 

[Yvettea]

Maybe this was an murder and that is confusing me because I see it most likely as murder-suicide. I've been trying to understand the phenomenon of murder-suicide using recent news articles in the US but I haven't made much progress. One thing I've noticed, not much is reported in Canada about murder-suicide. Maybe I'm just missing the news in my searches. If someone is on here who can enlighten me concerning this phenomenon in Canada it would be very helpful to me.

 

[Grey-St]

So you are making the point, perhaps, that his treatment of people contributed to his murder or do I misunderstand your point?

My point was that it was just a conversation that arose, like many others here.

I'm not entirely certain yet where I stand on the manner of his death. I'm still on the fence between double-murder and murder-suicide. I will say, that I believe he could have made many enemies throughout his lifetime.

 

[Yvettea]

Well no, he didn't see a benefit to himself in honouring an agreement with his young cousins, or I suppose he would have. Some people think thats the sad part, others don't. It's a matter of opinion really.

To only ever partake in "mutually advantageous behaviour" or only act on something that benefits yourself, isn't (as someone else mentioned) a world I particularly want to live in, but to each their own I suppose.

I agree with what you say, but I wonder Barry Sherman's perspective. Maybe we would find it warped or flawed. Did he realize his behavior could be viewed as callousness? I find myself wondering that.

ETA: did he truly see no benefit to himself in helping others?

 

[Grey-St]

I agree with what you say, but I wonder Barry Sherman's perspective. Maybe we would find it warped or flawed. Did he realize his behavior could be viewed as callousness? I find myself wondering that.

ETA: did he truly see no benefit to himself in helping others?

It's hard to say, really, without knowing the man. His writings suggest he didn't really see the benefit in being truly altruistic, or that he didn't think people could be truly altruistic. I don't think he cared all that much about seeming callous. He was generous over his lifetime financially, donating to large institutions and even supporting the cousins later in life, but I think that's different than truly wanting to help people. When it came to helping others achieve what they really needed, or supporting some vital social cause, it doesn't seem that he saw the benefit in that. I don't think it really made him feel good inside or anything. JMO though.

 

[Yvettea]

It's hard to say, really, without knowing the man. His writings suggest he didn't really see the benefit in being truly altruistic, or that he didn't think people could be truly altruistic. I don't think he cared all that much about seeming callous. He was generous over his lifetime financially, donating to large institutions and even supporting the cousins later in life, but I think that's different than truly wanting to help people. When it came to helping others achieve what they really needed, or supporting some vital social cause, it doesn't seem that he saw the benefit in that. I don't think it really made him feel good inside or anything. JMO though.

That's a very good point about truly helping others and not just giving money. I wish we knew more and not the limited writing that's available. Maybe more will come out from those who worked with him; I hope so.

 

[HastingsChi]

If they were not rich and powerful, this would already officially have been ruled a murder- suicide. Sad how money buys power in life and death...

 

[HastingsChi]

So you are making the point, perhaps, that his treatment of people contributed to his murder or do I misunderstand your point?

As he took his own life after murdering his wife, I'd say yes.

 

[Grey-St]

As he took his own life after murdering his wife, I'd say yes.

Well, you just might be wrong :dunno:. That's just your opinion, not a fact. How can anyone say for certain at this point regarding MOD?

 

[HastingsChi]

Well, you just might be wrong :dunno:. That's just your opinion, not a fact. How can anyone say for certain at this point regarding MOD?

The early reporting was clear for a week until favors were called in and influence used to change the narrative with no evidence.

 

[Grey-St]

The early reporting was clear for a week until favors were called in and influence used to change the narrative with no evidence.

The reporting has never been clear, early on or otherwise. It's only ever been vague and tight lipped. One initial theory was leaked, before an investigation had even begun.

 

[pamelado2]

The early reporting was clear for a week until favors were called in and influence used to change the narrative with no evidence.

Do you have a link to any official statements that said this was a murder-suicide? If not, then it's just opinion, as is everything in this case save for two facts given by LE - they both died of ligature strangulation and their deaths are suspicious.

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[dotr]

Dec 21 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42433778

Friends said the couple were generous, modest, casual, and down to earth.

Joel Ulster, a friend of Barry Sherman since they were 16 years old, said his friend was an aggressive businessman with a big heart.
"With Barry it was no ********, pretty much all of the time," he said.
Newspaper magnate Paul Godfrey said their loss leaves a great vacuum in Toronto society.
"It's just an awful feeling to have, to know they will no longer be there," he said before the service began.
[h=2]'Enthusiasm for life'[/h]But questions around the couple's death was not far from the thoughts of those attending the memorial.
"We have to wait to find out what happened here - that's the sad part," said Mr Godfrey.

He said the homicide detectives on the case were "the best in the business, so hopefully we'll get an answer to what really happened".

rbbm.