Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #4

[Grey-St]

ilovepierre, sometimes the pharmacies cannot source the same generic, so they substitute another. There was a def recall of the BC pills, a friend of mine was affected by it. Took her a week to calm down as she's just coming off mat leave and didn't want a 'surprise' baby.

I take a regular medication and it flips between Apo and Taro but one is stronger than the other, so I have to be careful about titrating it.

I think you are correct, the Apo is the more expensive version. Its weird, since this happened, everywhere I look, I see Apotex.

They must have provided free pharmacy bags, cause it has Apotex on it, then I drove by Baycrest and it says Apotex Jewish Home for the Aged.

I even saw a coffee mug at my GPs office, his secretary was using and IT said Apotex. I thought ALL of that marketing stuff ended years ago.

rbbm. It's so strange how the mind works! I've noticed the exact same since this event occurred. I notice Apotex everywhere now.

 

[Grey-St]

BINGO!

Sherman messed with the wrong person, thats for sure. I agree, its a professional hit.

IF Honey was in the wrong place at the wrong time, thats horrible too. To think if she'd been in Florida she might still be alive.

That bit in Frank about the police 'source' saying it was murder/suicide to make the perps think they're dealing with the Keystone Cops, is a good tip, IMO. Could explain why it was leaked before the bodies were even removed. Perhaps the TPS knew right off that it was a professional hit.

It just didn't make sense for that to come out while the Shermans were still inside the house. It does now.

HS could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or she very well may have had more insight to a situation that may have put LE on the murderer's tail. Maybe she had to go, also.

Regarding the leak, if it was purposeful, me thinks that LE would have informed the family about their strategy, in order to not cause any upset. However, due to the statement made on behalf of the family, it seems they didn't do that. Still quite a possibility, though.

 

[Tighthead]

It seems a little sloppy for a professional hit. While If it was a murder for hire, I don’t think either party was particularly sophisticated.

If the staging of the bodies was a message to Barry, what is he supposed to do with that message since he is dead? Doesn’t sending a message usually imply killing or threatening someone close to the message recipient without actually killing said recipient?

 

[dotr]

HS could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or she very well may have had more insight to a situation that may have put LE on the murderer's tail. Maybe she had to go, also.

Regarding the leak, if it was purposeful, me thinks that LE would have informed the family about their strategy, in order to not cause any upset. However, due to the statement made on behalf of the family, it seems they didn't do that. Still quite a possibility, though.

Maybe HS was the target?
Wondering if her Rolodex was compromised?
imo, speculation.

http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada...timate-connector-best-rolodex-in-country.html

[h=1]Honey Sherman was ‘ultimate connector’ with ‘best Rolodex in the country’[/h] [h=2]Tales of Barry Sherman’s pharmaceutical empire as the founder of Apotex often position his wife as a secondary character. But Honey was involved in his success from the early days.[/h]

Quite the woman!
rbbm.

It was in the early 2000s. Their families had been business rivals since “the heydays of the ’80s,” Aubrey said. But when Honey arrived for lunch at his office for the midday meeting, she appealed to their common ground.


“We both come from the drug industry,” Aubrey said.


The idea Honey had was a Jewish-focused community service for those struggling with addiction. And when she spoke, Aubrey remembered, she spoke warmly. So the project began, and the unlikely pair “just clicked.”

 

[andreww]

The family was upset at LE's leaking "suicide theory" info at the beginning of the case. Since then, nothing has come out from LE regarding this case. This leads me to believe that their suspicions haven't changed and that they are still thinking murder suicide. If it had you would thing that LE would announce that this is now a homicide investigation.

 

[pamelado2]

The family was upset at LE's leaking "suicide theory" info at the beginning of the case. Since then, nothing has come out from LE regarding this case. This leads me to believe that their suspicions haven't changed and that they are still thinking murder suicide. If it had you would thing that LE would announce that this is now a homicide investigation.

I can't imagine they would announce anything - all they've said so far is that the deaths are suspicious and that was on the 1st day. Not a peep since then. Although, homicide detectives are on the case and there have been searches in the surrounding areas. As with many (or the majority of?) cases the public is left in the dark.

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[dotr]

It seems a little sloppy for a professional hit. While If it was a murder for hire, I don’t think either party was particularly sophisticated.

If the staging of the bodies was a message to Barry, what is he supposed to do with that message since he is dead? Doesn’t sending a message usually imply killing or threatening someone close to the message recipient without actually killing said recipient?

Sending a message..
imo, speculation, fwiw, rbbm.

http://time.com/4062017/sicilian-mafia-hitman/
Oct. 2015

Finocchiaro said that our boss was too close to some politicians and we wanted to send a warning to those who wanted to stand up to the mafia. If the mafia commits a murder, it’s almost always to send a message beyond the immediate circle of the victim.

It was around 10 am. We’d arrived at the meeting place at a bar in downtown Catania, where mafioso went to play cards and plan murders. I ordered a coffee and some juice. The murder was to take place near his home and there were to be no witnesses.

August 1989
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-30/local/me-1259_1_mob-style

Entertainment executive Jose Menendez and his wife were murdered in their Beverly Hills mansion in a fashion typical of mob-style executions, informed law enforcement sources said Tuesday.

"It was definitely a message killing," said a source familiar with the slayings. "There's no question it's organized crime."

Investigators believe that at least two hit men, wielding 12-gauge shotguns, confronted Menendez, 45, and his wife, Kitty, 44, as they watched television in their home on the evening of Aug. 20 and shot them at close range.

Coup de Grace
Fueling speculation in investigative circles that the killers intended to send a message to others was the kind of coup de grace administered to Menendez.

As described by a law enforcement source, a shotgun barrel was thrust into Menendez's mouth, undoubtedly after he was dead, and a final blast blew off the back of his head.

Beverly Hills police have refused to divulge details of the slayings and have maintained publicly that the double-homicide may not necessarily have been the work of professional hit men.

But knowledgeable law enforcement sources, who asked not to be identified, told The Times that investigators "are proceeding along the lines" that the slayings were done in classic mob fashion.

Menendez and his wife were found slain by their two college-age sons, Lyle, 21, and Eric, 18, who had been out for the evening.

Nothing of value was missing from the house, according to Lyle Menendez.

Police found doors to the home unlocked, with no signs of forcible entry, a law enforcement source said.

The Menendez family apparently had a habit of leaving doors unlocked, he said, and "someone must have known" about this practice.

 

[Grey-St]

The family was upset at LE's leaking "suicide theory" info at the beginning of the case. Since then, nothing has come out from LE regarding this case. This leads me to believe that their suspicions haven't changed and that they are still thinking murder suicide. If it had you would thing that LE would announce that this is now a homicide investigation.

We won't hear anything regarding MOD, until they are completely confident and it's completely confirmed. To me, the fact that nothing has come out yet, suggests that they are still thoroughly investigating. If this was clearly not a double-homicide, they would know, and we would know, too.

 

[Tighthead]

Sending a message..
imo, speculation, fwiw, rbbm.

http://time.com/4062017/sicilian-mafia-hitman/
Oct. 2015

August 1989
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-08-30/local/me-1259_1_mob-style

Okay, we can disregard the Menendez killing. That’s a strange citation.

Who would possibly be above Sherman in the food chain who would get a message from his killing?

As I stated in my original post, you send a message by killing or threatening those around the message recipient, or possibly threatening the recipient.

If killing Sherman is the message, who is the recipient?

 

[Tighthead]

We won't hear anything regarding MOD, until they are completely confident and it's completely confirmed. To me, the fact that nothing has come out yet, suggests that they are still thoroughly investigating. If this was clearly not a double-homicide, they would know, and we would know, too.

Its bizarre that so little is leaking from anyone. I think if the investigation had concluded it was in fact a double murder, the family would be aware (possibly through unofficial channels) and would leak the information out.

I’m really just guessing though. You can make the silence fit any theory.

I do think that that if the conclusion is murder suicide, they will privately lay out all information to the family to ensure, if possible, that the PIs accept the theory and are satisfied the conclusion is appropriate.

 

[Canterbury Tales]

The family was upset at LE's leaking "suicide theory" info at the beginning of the case. Since then, nothing has come out from LE regarding this case. This leads me to believe that their suspicions haven't changed and that they are still thinking murder suicide. If it had you would thing that LE would announce that this is now a homicide investigation.

This is a case involving billionaires. The same rules don't apply. They wouldn't announce a thing unless: A)they solved the case or B) they were trying to put some false info out there to buy some time so they could pursue the truth. If anything the opposite should be deduced by now, i.e. after all this time they still have detectives on the Sherman property scouring for evidence. That is a dead giveaway(excuse the pun) that this case is no murder-suicide. It's likely that the police never thought this was a murder-suicide case but was something the police planted out there to try and fool the perps and the naive public so the police could try and do their jobs properly.

 

[ohreally]

HS could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time, or she very well may have had more insight to a situation that may have put LE on the murderer's tail. Maybe she had to go, also.

Regarding the leak, if it was purposeful, me thinks that LE would have informed the family about their strategy, in order to not cause any upset. However, due to the statement made on behalf of the family, it seems they didn't do that. Still quite a possibility, though.

If the leak was intentional it does seem like a cruel thing to do to the family. IMO at the time of the leak they had not excluded anyone as a suspect at the time, including family. I am not saying they suspect the family, just that the family was not cleared at that point so they would not of told them.

 

[AddyFinch]

Message 1: kill HS first infront of BS “revenge”
Message 2: kill BS and say to family “now you know how we felt”
M/S: staging to make it look like murder, solves both the religious issue for HS, as BS was an atheist. It sets up the scenario for “someone” to be under the microscope.
I think HS is innocent on all this. After the companies were built, BS went on his merry way doing business in everything that he fancied. She on the other hand was involved in her own things. I doubt either knew what each other was doing. She would never have considered suicide at this stage in her life, she had a wedding to plan, grandchildren, a new house,to build, she was interested in her health, but BS? HE was a workaholic, when that goes calms down, and your days are left in business dealings full of constant fighting, litigation, and threats of litigation, it gets old, tiring, depressing. No amount of money makes that go away, unless you change. That man would never change, it wasnt who he was.

 

[AddyFinch]

I seriously hope the police didn’t brush off the family as suspects, and that includes kids. Effective workers suspect everyone until proven otherwise.
As to police intentionally leaking theories....doubtful. More like “loose lips sinking ships” in the guard room.

 

[ohreally]

While I agree that Barry had made a lot of enemies I cannot forget that Honey was on several boards that gave out massive amounts of donations. Including thier own foundation. IMO Honey had a lot of power when it came to how major donations were dispersed. It doesn't mean that Honey did any wrong, but she could of been the one that was holding up some entity from getting a large donation.
It could be revenge, but I think it could also be pure greed.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Stop the back and forth bickering over what LE is or is not considering. None of us has the inside scoop.

State your case (as has been done a multitude of times) and move on. It gets tedious for other members and guests to see the same old arguments taking place. Nobody is here to hammer their own opinion into the minds of others.

Scroll and roll, or use the Ignore feature if you continue to disagree with someone and you just can't handle it. Alert on the post if it is a violation of TOS.

Bump

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[dotr]

Okay, we can disregard the Menendez killing. That’s a strange citation.

Who would possibly be above Sherman in the food chain who would get a message from his killing?

As I stated in my original post, you send a message by killing or threatening those around the message recipient, or possibly threatening the recipient.

If killing Sherman is the message, who is the recipient?

The Menendez murders were cited not because of the perps and reasons in that crime, but because it involved the murder of a husband and wife, took place at home without witnesses, but where someone known to them ( their sons) would find them, it was rumoured that they did not lock doors, there was no sign of forced entry, LE spent an inordinate amount of time examining the scene and ultimately, i posted that " strange citation " because one victim was subjected to further violence after death.
Still on the fence.
imo, speculation.

 

[dianaelaine59]

MOO: all the conclusions and thoughts that everyone here has, that makes them feel this was Murder/Suicide, was I believe, set up on purpose.

I believe it was MEANT to look like that, cause the public, authorities, family and friends to believe that, and to cause confusion and doubt.

JMO


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[Grey-St]

Message 1: kill HS first infront of BS “revenge”
Message 2: kill BS and say to family “now you know how we felt”
M/S: staging to make it look like murder, solves both the religious issue for HS, as BS was an atheist. It sets up the scenario for “someone” to be under the microscope.
I think HS is innocent on all this. After the companies were built, BS went on his merry way doing business in everything that he fancied. She on the other hand was involved in her own things. I doubt either knew what each other was doing. She would never have considered suicide at this stage in her life, she had a wedding to plan, grandchildren, a new house,to build, she was interested in her health, but BS? HE was a workaholic, when that goes calms down, and your days are left in business dealings full of constant fighting, litigation, and threats of litigation, it gets old, tiring, depressing. No amount of money makes that go away, unless you change. That man would never change, it wasnt who he was.

rbbm. I mean, in the case of double-homicide, I think they are both innocent in all of this? It doesn't matter how much of a workaholic BS was, or how ruthless he was in business, that doesn't justify murder.

I think in the case of double-homicide, HS was either in the wrong place at the wrong time, and had to go, or they couldn't risk performing this murder when she was in Florida, as she may have had insight into who to suspect. Not that she was involved in anything, but just that couples talk, and BS may have spoken about someone who had an axe to grind with him, or someone who was disgruntled in his life. Or, killing them both was just part of the larger message.

 

[kiwi50]

Just curious , does anyone believe the police still haven’t figured out if it was a double murder or murder/suicide.
Surely after a month of combing the house and digging deep they must have at least established this.
If it’s a double murder, why are they so silent?
I find the media’s disinterest stunning.
Is the silence the result of lawsuit threats.
Ok I’m not in Canada, but two of your wealthiest citizens may have been murdered in their own home and all there is, is silence.