Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #5

[Jealoushe]

This makes me wonder who knew they had the meeting with the architect that night? Did someone know they would be out of the house and know approx time they would be home so they could be waiting for them?

jmo

Most likely being followed.

I find it fascinating, how many people can not wrap their minds around this being a possible hit. There are ugly, violent things that happen every single day, things that at unbelievable.

Doing research into Apotex will open your eyes. Apotex was the drug company who shipped generic HIV/AIDs drugs to Rwanda after the mandatory sterilization bill was passed there, and this was done through the CF.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2007/08/09/aids_drugs_fiasco_a_tale_of_red_tape.html

https://www.pop.org/rwanda-to-sterilize-700000-men-pri-pledges-to-work-tirelessly-against-it/

Speculation exists the drug was both for HIV and sterilization.

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

I agree, if markings on the wrists is the only reason Klatt; et. al believe there is evidence of a professional hit/contract killing. His team is experienced and should know better than that. Personally, I'd view the wrist ties and belts as indications of premeditation, but not necessarily a professional hit.

Contrary to current consensus, I see no evidence so far that the Sherman double homicide was done by professional hitmen.

I wonder whether the unusual method of restraining the victims with their coats might have been misinterpreted as some kind of professionalism? IMO, its the kind of thing a bar-room bouncer or schoolyard bully would do.

I'm leaning towards this opinion too.

Sadly, I had convinced myself it was M/S. Now that there are discussions about M/M, I'm really SUPER hesitant to surmise who did it because I don't want to cause an uproar on this thread. If not the cousins, then who? I have my thoughts, and I'm wondering, if anyone on here, (somehow) is thinking the same thing I am?

 

[Jealoushe]

I'm leaning towards this opinion too.

Sadly, I had convinced myself it was M/S. Now that there are discussions about M/M, I'm really SUPER hesitant to surmise who did it because I don't want to cause an uproar on this thread. If not the cousins, then who? I have my thoughts, and I'm wondering, if anyone on here, (somehow) is thinking the same thing I am?

can't be any crazier than my theories lol

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

can't be any crazier than my theories lol

sent you a PM!

 

[AllyJane]

I think you are missing that she was ambushed as soon as she got home. It sounds like the Sherman camp are insinuating that scenario. Did Barry go back to work after the meeting or did he go home at the same time as HS?

 

[Grey-St]

I'm leaning towards this opinion too.

Sadly, I had convinced myself it was M/S. Now that there are discussions about M/M, I'm really SUPER hesitant to surmise who did it because I don't want to cause an uproar on this thread. If not the cousins, then who? I have my thoughts, and I'm wondering, if anyone on here, (somehow) is thinking the same thing I am?

I'll go out on a limb and say what my gut is telling me.

-The Cousin(s) (explanation irrelevant at this point)
-The individual(s) BS was in business with regarding the condo development (I remember reading something suspect and dangerous about him/them)
-An individual(s) involved in the Pharmaceutical business (I remember reading about a competitor who basically stalked BS and tried to destroy him and his career in various ways, example: framing him to have involvement with prostitution/underage women)

I keep coming back to these three circumstances I've read about...and there it is. :dunno:

 

[Jealoushe]

-An individual(s) involved in the Pharmaceutical business (I remember reading about a competitor who basically stalked BS and tried to destroy him and his career in various ways, example: framing him to have involvement with prostitution/underage women)

I keep coming back to these three circumstances I've read about...and there it is. :dunno:

Need more on this if you have it?

Could one of the family members, been paid off by this stalker guy?

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

I'll go out on a limb and say what my gut is telling me.

-The Cousin(s) (explanation irrelevant at this point)
-The individual(s) BS was in business with regarding the condo development (I remember reading something suspect and dangerous about him/them)
-An individual(s) involved in the Pharmaceutical business (I remember reading about a competitor who basically stalked BS and tried to destroy him and his career in various ways, example: framing him to have involvement with prostitution/underage women)

I keep coming back to these three circumstances I've read about...and there it is. :dunno:

Ummm....I'm thinking not so distant in the family. I'm not gonna say much more than that.

 

[MizStery]

Need more on this if you have it?

<snip>)
-An individual(s) involved in the Pharmaceutical business (I remember reading about a competitor who basically stalked BS and tried to destroy him and his career in various ways, example: framing him to have involvement with prostitution/underage women)


I keep coming back to these three circumstances I've read about...and there it is. :dunno:

Hope you don't mind my answering Grey-St.I had it bookmarked.:lookingitup:

Here's the link in a archived 1999 Fortune Magazine

Drug Spies Piracy is the pharmaceutical industry's dirty little secret; fighting back has become its dirty little war. With the stakes this high, there are no rules, no conventions. But that doesn't mean there haven't been prisoners.

By Richard Behar

<snip>Sherman patents. But Smith, acting on Bayer's behalf, was certainly convinced: "Smith wanted us to infiltrate the company," says Whybrow, "put a half kilo of coke in [Sherman's] trunk, and get him stopped by a police contact we have [in Canada]." Flack says that another option Smith suggested was setting Sherman up in a sex sting with an underage partner. Smith tells FORTUNE that if he made any of these comments, it was in the context of "joking over a pint of beer." But Flack says his boss was "deadly serious" and "desperate," and that he and Whybrow were fully prepared to carry out the frame-ups. "I was well paid
by Bayer to seek out Barry Sherman's demise," says Flack, "and if that's
(More at link)
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1999/09/06/265303/index.htm?src=longreads

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

Hope you don't mind my answering Grey-St.I had it bookmarked.:lookingitup:

Here's the link in a archived 1999 Fortune Magazine

Drug Spies Piracy is the pharmaceutical industry's dirty little secret; fighting back has become its dirty little war. With the stakes this high, there are no rules, no conventions. But that doesn't mean there haven't been prisoners.

By Richard Behar

<snip>Sherman patents. But Smith, acting on Bayer's behalf, was certainly convinced: "Smith wanted us to infiltrate the company," says Whybrow, "put a half kilo of coke in [Sherman's] trunk, and get him stopped by a police contact we have [in Canada]." Flack says that another option Smith suggested was setting Sherman up in a sex sting with an underage partner. Smith tells FORTUNE that if he made any of these comments, it was in the context of "joking over a pint of beer." But Flack says his boss was "deadly serious" and "desperate," and that he and Whybrow were fully prepared to carry out the frame-ups. "I was well paid
by Bayer to seek out Barry Sherman's demise," says Flack, "and if that's
(More at link)
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1999/09/06/265303/index.htm?src=longreads

:notgood:

WOW. Just wow. Playing dirty! It's mind blowing to read this!

 

[AddyFinch]

I'm really SUPER hesitant to surmise who did it because I don't want to cause an uproar on this thread.

Don&#8217;t let it worry you about an uproar....people need to read posts thoroughly before they flame away....
Since this is ALL speculation on this thread..how.about this.....HS only &#8220;said&#8221; she was going to the architect, and BS was waiting for her when she got home.

 

[dotr]

Hope you don't mind my answering Grey-St.I had it bookmarked.:lookingitup:

Here's the link in a archived 1999 Fortune Magazine

Drug Spies Piracy is the pharmaceutical industry's dirty little secret; fighting back has become its dirty little war. With the stakes this high, there are no rules, no conventions. But that doesn't mean there haven't been prisoners.

By Richard Behar

<snip>Sherman patents. But Smith, acting on Bayer's behalf, was certainly convinced: "Smith wanted us to infiltrate the company," says Whybrow, "put a half kilo of coke in [Sherman's] trunk, and get him stopped by a police contact we have [in Canada]." Flack says that another option Smith suggested was setting Sherman up in a sex sting with an underage partner. Smith tells FORTUNE that if he made any of these comments, it was in the context of "joking over a pint of beer." But Flack says his boss was "deadly serious" and "desperate," and that he and Whybrow were fully prepared to carry out the frame-ups. "I was well paid
by Bayer to seek out Barry Sherman's demise," says Flack, "and if that's
(More at link)
http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1999/09/06/265303/index.htm?src=longreads

Thanks for posting, scary stuff!
Wondering where HS might have fit into all of this, her rolodex?
The hangings almost seemed like a public execution of disposed leaders.
speculation.imo.

One man who has elevated the patent challenge to an art form is Barry Sherman, CEO of generic drugmaker Apotex--the biggest pharmaceutical company in Canada--and the largest stockholder in Barr Laboratories, one of the top generic houses in the U.S. Echoing Lipsey, critics say that part of Barr's and Apotex's business strategy is to get involved in lawsuits and extract settlements. Indeed, Barr's CEO, a former trial attorney, once said that "the battle over intellectual property rights is at the core of our business" and that over half the company's revenues have come from the settlement of suits.

"While we and other research-based companies choose to innovate," says Sidney Taurel, CEO of Eli Lilly, "they [Sherman and his ilk] basically choose to litigate. I consider their legal expenses a little bit like our R&D expenses."

But litigating isn't Sherman's only talent. In 1995 he was nailed for importing a generic version of Prozac--the antidepression cure-all patented by Lilly--directly to U.S. customers through a mail-order system involving a Bahamian front company. The scheme was done without FDA approval and led to Apotex's signing a plea agreement with the feds. By that time, other drug companies had come forward with similar complaints about Sherman. The word was that Sherman was knocking off ciprofloxacin, Bayer's antibiotic, in Mexico, as well as Merck's cholesterol-reducing lovostatin, in China. "Sherman was a thorn in the side for most multinationals, and Smith was prepared to do anything to bring about his demise," says Flack. "Sherman would tie up the multinationals for years in litigation, while he was carrying on producing drugs and making millions. Smith had been chasing him for years. He hated Sherman. Sherman was like Adolf Hitler to him."

Sherman, pointing to his $80 million R&D budget, denies violating any patents. But Smith, acting on Bayer's behalf, was certainly convinced: "Smith wanted us to infiltrate the company," says Whybrow, "put a half kilo of coke in [Sherman's] trunk, and get him stopped by a police contact we have [in Canada]." Flack says that another option Smith suggested was setting Sherman up in a sex sting with an underage partner. Smith tells FORTUNE that if he made any of these comments, it was in the context of "joking over a pint of beer." But Flack says his boss was "deadly serious" and "desperate," and that he and Whybrow were fully prepared to carry out the frame-ups. "I was well paid by Bayer to seek out Barry Sherman's demise," says Flack, "and if that's what it took, then so be it."

By late 1996, Flack and Whybrow were on the verge of putting a mole right in Sherman's plant. But in February 1997, Smith took the pair off the Sherman case temporarily and dispatched them to Cyprus. The Temple boys' lives were about to go off a cliff.

rbbm.

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

Don&#8217;t let it worry you about an uproar....people need to read posts thoroughly before they flame away....
Since this is ALL speculation on this thread..how.about this.....HS only &#8220;said&#8221; she was going to the architect, and BS was waiting for her when she got home.

So should I worry if I said MAYBE just MAYBE it could have been one of the kids???
<<waiting to get bashed now>>

***JUST SPECULATING***** I was so hesitant to say it, but I'm truly speculating.

 

[ohreally]

I am one that believes this is a double murder. IMO it could be a hit or well planned murders. I think there are a lot of possibilities on why they were murdered. There isn't one possibility that I think is most likely to be the reason.
I do have a sincere question. My understanding is that BS was no longer running the every day operations of the company. I would think that if BS is killed the company would still carry on as they have been. So if the murders were because of the company what would be the gain be by killing them?

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

I am one that believes this is a double murder. IMO it could be a hit or well planned murders. I think there are a lot of possibilities on why they were murdered. There isn't one possibility that I think is most likely to be the reason.
I do have a sincere question. My understanding is that BS was no longer running the every day operations of the company. I would think that if BS is killed the company would still carry on as they have been. So if the murders were because of the company what would be the gain be by killing them?

Was he completely severed from the company? Or did he decide to be a silent partner/investor? That would be MY question in follow up to yours. But yes, what WOULD be the gain by killing them?

This was about revenge. I think we can be clear on that. But for WHAT?

 

[AddyFinch]

So should I worry if I said MAYBE just MAYBE it could have been one of the kids???
<<waiting to get bashed now>>

***JUST SPECULATING***** I was so hesitant to say it, but I'm truly speculating.

LOL:jail:

 

[deugirtni]

Originally Posted by AddyFinch

BS&HS both went to architect on Wed, she was killed in the same clothes as worn to architect, and BS emailed a coworker at 8:30 pm, then that means...
1. HS left the same clothes on post architect meeting because someone was coming over later that night? Or
2. She put the same clothes on the next day?
Most women i know, can&#8217;t wait to get into their scrubby clothes when they get home. Did she leave on knowing a visitor was coming, or was it just as easy to slip the same outfit on for next day?
3. Or did someone come over unexpectdly, and she quickly put the same outfit back on?
Its rather late at night for someone to come after BS was emailing at 8:30.
4. Did they go back out after architects?
As a woman, my choice would be to get into my comfy clothes, and leave same outfit laid out for the evening vistors, who must have come after 8:30.
If M/S it would mean HS was killed and BS waited to commit suicide until after he sent email.
5.I wonder what the email said?
And ABro...you hit the nail on the head. If contract hit, those kids are at risk. They should have spent some $$$on personal security.

Do we actually know what time the appointment with the architect was? I haven't seen that anywhere - could have been evening, and BS' email (where was that reported?) could have been sent before they came home or en route. Or, he could have been forced to send it to muddy the waters. This is all complete speculation and IMO it's not useful. It's unlikely the medical examiner was able to identify a precise time of death for either, given the elapsed time before the bodies were found.

Plus, we don't know whether the children have hired private security. I doubt that would be made public.

"The family has retained a lawyer and a private investigation firm, and family members have taken steps to enhance their personal security."
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ter-violent-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman

 

[AddyFinch]

Better to overreact, then to act careless. Hopefully $$ will buy them some safety if contract killing, or a messy bit with the Iranian &#8220;developers&#8221;.

 

[AddyFinch]

OT... this escalation (or is it) in murder is getting crazy
https://www.cp24.com/news/man-woman-charged-in-richmond-hill-murder-of-shelby-goldhar-1.3773744

 

[deugirtni]

I'll go out on a limb and say what my gut is telling me.

-The Cousin(s) (explanation irrelevant at this point)
-The individual(s) BS was in business with regarding the condo development (I remember reading something suspect and dangerous about him/them)
-An individual(s) involved in the Pharmaceutical business (I remember reading about a competitor who basically stalked BS and tried to destroy him and his career in various ways, example: framing him to have involvement with prostitution/underage women)

I keep coming back to these three circumstances I've read about...and there it is. :dunno:

There are also political considerations... and lots going on with the impending legalization of marijuana - getting it into pill form (first!) - value of stocks - a huge opportunity there, etc.. BS may have become privy to some kind of knowledge that someone else didn't want exposed.. so many possibilities... stuff we don't know anything about and can't even speculate on.. and if it was in fact a double murder, until the perps are known, everyone would be open to suspicion, including those who might benefit from the estate/Will/inheritance, and wouldn't it be awkward for LE to deal with family members who want to be apprised of all of the details.. etc. jmo