Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #5

[Jasper52]

Sorry, the "confirmed" points were the things we had heard previously, but hadn't received TPS confirmation.
Obviously everything on the list from today's presser is confirmed.

Thank you and sorry. I was going by the timing of your post, thus the reason I mentioned everything being confirmed.

 

[gregjrichards]

I had to come back and eat humble pie too. I was wrong. The family was right and I'm sincerely sorry if I added to their grief in any way by pushing my opinion in those early days.

I feel terrible for even considering Barry killed his much loved wife and then himself. I hope they catch the monsters that did this. Do you think the Sherman family may offer a reward for information?

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

I'm sitting here absolutely dumbfounded at who the suspects could be. **WHO DID THIS?***
If the Sherman's are reading this, my sincerest apologies for jumping the gun and assuming it was murder/suicide.

 

[Grey-St]

Now it really comes down to WHO did this to Barry and Honey Sherman?


​Also, is there any speculation on what the second residential property is? Could it really be their Florida home?

 

[Tighthead]

I feel terrible for even considering Barry killed his much loved wife and then himself. I hope they catch the monsters that did this. Do you think the Sherman family may offer a reward for information?

I’m sure they would suggest it to police. It may not be required.

 

[chissus]

Now we are looking at means, motive, and opportunity. Definitely the cousin had strong motive. Must have done it himself because he doesn't have the money for a professional hit. And I doubt he was in the will. It was a sloppy job anyway. And I think he was let into the house.

 

[Grey-St]

Lol, Steve Ryan makes me chuckle. He's now speculating on all the things we've been saying on WS for 6 weeks.

 

[ldlager]

[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"...Legal complexities in some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman’s businesses, in particular the search and seizure of electronics in Barry Sherman’s workspace at Apotex,” Gomes added..."[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Can someone please explain to me why these executions would be difficult? If LE gets a warrant to seize property can't they just go in and execute it? Who would want to stop them from doing so, in light of the nature of this crime? And why- surely info on a computer about a commercial dispute over drug patents isn't jeopardized by disclosure to police in a murder investigation? [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Please help me understand this. Thanks in advance![/FONT]

 

[Peace777]

If I recall somewhere in 1 of the threads wasn't it said that Barry had e-mailed the CEO shortly before their deaths? Was it the night of the 13th when the Sherman's were last heard from? Hmmm. Just wondering out loud

 

[BUF]

This hit may have been in the making for some time, but my suspicion is that the house going up for sale was the catalyst for the timing. Photos, floor plans, etc. were advertised, and people going in & out...and that realtor lockbox...all making it easy to scope and access. Whoever is responsible made that decision before the house sold, before the Shermans left for Florida.

 

[Tighthead]

[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"...Legal complexities in some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman’s businesses, in particular the search and seizure of electronics in Barry Sherman’s workspace at Apotex,” Gomes added..."[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Can someone please explain to me why these executions would be difficult? If LE gets a warrant to seize property can't they just go in and execute it? Who would want to stop them from doing so, in light of the nature of this crime? And why- surely info on a computer about a commercial dispute over drug patents isn't jeopardized by disclosure to police in a murder investigation? [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, Cambria, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Please help me understand this. Thanks in advance![/FONT]

Maybe someone who resigned from Apotex today was making the police work difficult.

I do think that even with a warrant and seizure of the items, piecing all the data together may be complex.

 

[Peace777]

Now it really comes down to WHO did this to Barry and Honey Sherman?


​Also, is there any speculation on what the second residential property is? Could it really be their Florida home?

I think it's someone they knew and trusted as there was no signs of forced entry. JMO

 

[Grey-St]

"...Legal complexities in some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman’s businesses, in particular the search and seizure of electronics in Barry Sherman’s workspace at Apotex,” Gomes added..."

Can someone please explain to me why these executions would be difficult? If LE gets a warrant to seize property can't they just go in and execute it? Who would want to stop them from doing so, in light of the nature of this crime? And why- surely info on a computer about a commercial dispute over drug patents isn't jeopardized by disclosure to police in a murder investigation?
Please help me understand this. Thanks in advance!

LE absolutely can go right in and execute it. It's just much easier with cooperation from the party. So to me, it suggest Apotex isn't being that cooperative, and that's really strange, imo.

 

[Grey-St]

If I recall somewhere in 1 of the threads wasn't it said that Barry had e-mailed the CEO shortly before their deaths? Was it the night of the 13th when the Sherman's were last heard from? Hmmm. Just wondering out loud

It was a business email, for sure, and yes on the Wednesday the 13th. I can't recall if it was with the CEO or not.

 

[Grey-St]

This hit may have been in the making for some time, but my suspicion is that the house going up for sale was the catalyst for the timing. Photos, floor plans, etc. were advertised, and people going in & out...and that realtor lockbox...all making it easy to scope and access. Whoever is responsible made that decision before the house sold, before the Shermans left for Florida.

I'm also of the opinion that this timeframe was chosen for a reason. So many folks accessing the home, going in and out, only muddies the waters and distances the perpetrator(s).

 

[Peace777]

LE absolutely can go right in and execute it. It's just much easier with cooperation from the party. So to me, it suggest Apotex isn't being that cooperative, and that's really strange, imo.

Like really Mr. Sherman owned Apotex and it's the boss's death that is being investigated! (As well as wife's death)The plot thickens....

 

[AllyJane]

Now it really comes down to WHO did this to Barry and Honey Sherman?


​Also, is there any speculation on what the second residential property is? Could it really be their Florida home?

I thought they owned a downtown condo which is where they were going to go when their house sold until their new one was built. Although I don't recall where I read that. Sorry

 

[human]

Hopefully the perp is on camera. Would there be any way to avoid a camera if it is assumed all neighbors have some?

 

[Grey-St]

I thought they owned a downtown condo which is where they were going to go when their house sold until their new one was built. Although I don't recall where I read that. Sorry

I'm surprised a reporter didn't ask this question, re: two residential properties.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

My transcription of the police statement today (I taped the presser)

-From the outside of this investigation, we have followed the evidence and we were alive to the issue of an undetermined manner of death

-The integrity of every homicide investigation is paramount

-Facts guide our focus. Conjecture and speculation have no place

-Each of the three manners, the options provided to us, were all equally considered as evidence presented itself

-As a unit with the assistance of many other areas of expertise within our service, we have so far spent thousand of hours on this investigation.

-Our partners include the Provinces' Coroners office, forensic pathology unit and many areas of discipline within the Centre of Forensic Sciences

-We are in the process of attaining or have executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches.

-Legal complexities and some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman's businesses. In particular the search and seizure of electronics in BS's work space at Apotex

-Two residential properties belonging to the Sherman's have been searched. The primary Sherman residence is a 3-story family dwelling, of a size warranting six weeks of searching, forensic review and seizing of evidence

-This morning, we returned the residence to the family.

-To date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analysed

-A total of 127 witness statements have been compiled; this number continues to grow each day.

-Neighbourhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residence. This includes the collection of 4TB of security video in both commercial and residential property. There are approximately 500 hours in each of these TB.

-And finally, 348 investigative actions have been assigned and are being vigorously pursued.

-Contact with the immediate Sherman family has been consistent and ongoing. For them it has been difficult to balance their patience with their frustration, with us and our investigation, not unlike any other family who has suffered such a sudden and profound loss. They have been understanding, cooperative and hopeful that this investigation can give them some answers.

-What we have come to learn so far in our investigation that I'm willing to confirm with you today, is that Honey and Barry Sherman were last seen alive in the evening hours of Wednesday, December 13th, 2017.

-Neither of the two had communicated with friends, family or associates from that time frame until their discovery on Friday, December the 15th.

-There are no signs of forced entry on all access points to the home.

-Honey and Barry Sherman were found deceased in the lower level pool area, hanging by belts from a poolside railing in a semi-seated position on the pool deck. They were wearing their clothing.

-We believe now, through the six week work review, we have sufficient evidence to describe this as a double-homicide investigation. And both Honey and Barry Sherman were, in fact, targeted.

-We will continue to focus exclusively on evidence with whatever resources are necessary.

-We ask anyone to come forward with anything they may think is valuable to the investigation. And we, along with the family, are grateful to those who have done so thus far.