Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #5

[deugirtni]

I feel terrible for even considering Barry killed his much loved wife and then himself. I hope they catch the monsters that did this. Do you think the Sherman family may offer a reward for information?

Now *that* would add an interesting element.. if th*gs were hired by a party to do the killings for a certain fee, and the reward monies were higher than said fee... although there could be no getting off the hook by coming forward to collect said reward... but maybe someone who knows the hiring party, or who knows the th*gs who were hired, could potentially come forward for the reward monies. jmo.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

From Chistie Blatchford, NP. http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...an-double-murder-focuses-on-realtors-lock-box

A realtor’s “lock box,” which gave access to agents and their clients viewing Barry and Honey Sherman’s house, has expanded the pool of “persons of interest” in what is now officially a double murder investigation.

Toronto Police Det.-Sgt. Susan Gomes, the officer in charge of the case, updated reporters Friday in a short briefing.

“We believe now, through six weeks’ work and review, that we have sufficient evidence to describe this as a double homicide investigation and that both Honey and Barry Sherman were in fact targeted,” Gomes said.

In answering a reporter’s question, she confirmed that “we have that list” of anyone who gained entry to the Old Colony Road home in North Toronto, which was for sale, via the lock box

 

[Wondergirl]

I was in Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico for a few weeks years ago and the large drug cartel there used to display their murder victims in horrific ways. Part of the message in the display was to say 'they deserved this death', 'they *had* to have done *something* to be treated so inhumanely'. The death was somehow justified.

It oddly worked. For the most part, there wasn't an outcry for justice for the dead. And people thought if they kept to themselves and didn't bother with drug activity that they were immune to the violence.

I agree with you, Lexi, this is bang on.

Very strong and brutal message in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Get these SOB's.

 

[PaulR]

IMO, the resignation of Apotex CEO Jeremy Desai minutes prior to TPS confirmation of double homicide lends further credence to the theory that Teva's lawsuit against Apotex may somehow be key to the killings.

It's been alleged that Desai's girlfriend, Teva employee Barinder Sandhu, provided him with a significant amount of confidential company information.

Both Apotex and Teva make generic versions of products (such as Avandia and Premarin) that are derived from horse urine. That may explain why I saw horse stables in my dream about the Sherman murders.

Or Apotex may have known about the impending announcement and decided that this was a good time to get rid of a CEO that who allegedly used his girlfriend for industrial espionage since the news would be covering something more important. Kind of like how some companies announce bad news over the holidays when nobody is watching the news.

 

[Wondergirl]

What makes people think that Honey put up a fight versus that she was beaten and her face smashed on the floor to torture Barry? As for motive, as he said himself he was surprised that he hadn't been killed to date. I'm guessing he thought he might get a bullet in a parking lot instead of someone having the nerve to come into his home etc

This is a good point.

I would like to believe that Honey got a piece of them.

By all accounts she was a star in life, so her fighting the perp (s) like crazy is readily imaginable.

 

[gdalton]

What are your thoughts on the recently departed CEO? There are a lot of possibilities.

Say there is no (personal) link between the CEO resigning and Barry and Honey's deaths... The company has to know that their business dealings will be put under the spotlight during the investigation. Maybe he knows that some shady information will come out and is preempting it by resigning now. Or maybe internal politics inside the company mean the Shermans' death were used for leverage to finally oust him?

If he knows something about the murders, is he withdrawing because he had a hand in their deaths, or because he's afraid for his own life? With both Barry and Honey dead, was he the person who the 'message' was directed at?

...Also possible he just wanted to leave and this was a perfect time to jump ship.

I've always been curious about what happened to Desai's girlfriend.
Was she compensated by Apotex or cast aside?
Is she still involved with Desai?
Most companies would have fired Desai right away...but Barry made sure he was kept on.
Which means Barry obviously knew about the corporate espionage from the get-go.

 

[canadiangirl]

Agreed. This has always sounded to me like a contracted hit to deliver a message. What the message is and whom the message is for remains be determined.

Agreed with this. I'm not surprised. They were a wealthy couple. Who knows how many friend or foe they had along the way. Money is very powerful. Follow the money

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[Tortoise]

If you were in Barry Sherman's situation, certain death of you and your wife staring you in the face, would you offer to buy your way out of it?

How likely is it he would have done that?

 

[canadiangirl]

I honestly think it was a rookie mistake from someone who spoke too soon from 33 division. But you are right, I wonder if that rumour caused the perpetrator(s) to relax, possibly mess up somewhere, or leave a trail over the last 6 weeks.

Rookie mistake or purposely put out there? Hmmm

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[BUF]

The Shermans made it on ABC National News tonight.

 

[Wondergirl]

With all due respect, I see your point, but
I doubt that inexperience, and/or youth was involved, as far as the killers were concerned. This was IMO a very professional, contract hit, and they sent some of their best. Like the FBI Profiler said from the beginning, someone was sending a message by leaving them hanging. They could have just quickly shot them in the back of the head, and left the bodies where they fell.What is the message, and to whom was it sent ? I certainly think it was a warning that others, like the Shermans, need to obey certain cultural expectations, and business rules. IMO the message was to the very rich, who fund raise in the millions, and get involved with politicians, and Big Pharma high level decisions, and deals. I don't mean to repeat myself, but I still think that leaving them hanging on display, side by side, in a half sitting postion, with their necks tied to pool railings by men's leather belts, makes a statement about shaming this couple, and their family. That shame may be evident to the Jewish Community at large, because in their culture, death by hanging implies a divine curse. Possibly whoever ordered the hit felt that somehow they deserved a curse, which justified their deaths. Why, I do not know. It could be family ( the orphans ), angry business associates, or because of deep political issues. It bothers me too that Honey suffered injuries before death that caused so much bleeding, and that she was quite possibly already tied up when it happened. Did someone especially hate her, even more than Barry ? She had such a good, kind reputation, it hardly seems possible, but we know so little. Was she tortured to make her give her killers some information, or maybe call Barry on the phone, so he would come home, or was it done just so Barry would see that horror as the last thing before he died ? The people who ordered this hit were very angry, full of hate, and wanted to make sure that everyone understood that even the privileged elite have to live by certain rules, and obey a chain of command. It may even be more about power and control of those who move in those circles, than it is about hate. The professional assassins who left no trace, have left long ago. It takes real talent, planning, and expertise, to enter and leave a house in a wealthy neighbourhood without ever being seen, or captured on video. They may even have been in another country before the bodies were discovered. Those who sent them are so powerful, rich, and protected that I doubt they will ever be found. I have no idea if they are in Canada, or another country, or who they are. Unless there are some real surprises, I don't think we will ever know what exactly happened to The Shermans that night, or who killed them. It will likely remain a great Canadian mystery. IMO

I agree with everything here except the perp (s) not being on video and it remaining a mystery.

I think there is a good chance they are on video among the 2,000 hours of video surveillance footage and I'm hopeful LE will get them eventually.

 

[AllyJane]

This is a good point.

I would like to believe that Honey got a piece of them.

By all accounts she was a star in life, so her fighting the perp (s) like crazy is readily imaginable.

Curious to see if there was DNA under her fingernails.

 

[canadiangirl]

This is a good point.

I would like to believe that Honey got a piece of them.

By all accounts she was a star in life, so her fighting the perp (s) like crazy is readily imaginable.

Maybe DNA under her nails?

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[human]

I've always been curious about what happened to Desai's girlfriend.
Was she compensated by Apotex or cast aside?
Is she still involved with Desai?
Most companies would have fired Desai right away...but Barry made sure he was kept on.
Which means Barry obviously knew about the corporate espionage from the get-go.

Does not sound like Desai has a motive against Barry,

 

[gdalton]

I can't be clear on this but I think one of the reporters asked if they were working with police in any other countries and she said no and then corrected herself to say yes, vis-a-vis the second property.

Yeah, it sounds like the Florida residence. But I wouldn't read too much into that.
They'd have to check the place just as a routine precaution.
What if there was another crime scene there and nobody even bothered to check...

 

[gdalton]

Does not sound like Desai has a motive against Barry,

Too many suspects.
We've got the Israelis...all of whom are ex-military.
We've got everyone Barry ever took to court.
We've got the nephews.
We've got all the surrogate kids.
We've got the kids of all the contractors who declared bankruptcy.
We've also got all the laid-off Teva employees...both here in Canada, the U.S. and abroad.

 

[kiwi50]

Very strange Desai ‘resigning’ the day it is officially announced as murder.
I see he worked at Apotex more than 11 years.
I’d imagine it wasn’t easy being CEO of Barry’s baby.
Did Barry encourage his relationship with the spy from their competitors?

 

[JDG]

I've always been curious about what happened to Desai's girlfriend.
Was she compensated by Apotex or cast aside?
Is she still involved with Desai?
Most companies would have fired Desai right away...but Barry made sure he was kept on.
Which means Barry obviously knew about the corporate espionage from the get-go.

Industrial Espionage is just part of a days work when you have patents, esp so in the Pharmaceutical world. IMO

It is so very expensive to do the Research and Development but the patent only protects to some degree. IMO

BS had been 'spying' on others for decades, hiring people to go through the garbage of competitors etc. It was in one of the articles. IMO

There are companies, that hire people to go through the new patents on a daily basis and figure out how to copy them or bust the patents. IMO

Sadly, a side effect is that Big Pharma is not coming out with as many new discoveries that we need and will need for future cures and disease control. IMO

Im sure BS thought Desai was a great asset to the company, esp if his 'girlfriend' worked for another drug company and could pass trade secrets. IMO

 

[dotr]

https://www.cp24.com/news/apotex-pr...d-allegations-of-trade-secret-leaks-1.3777333

Apotex president and CEO steps down amid allegations of trade secret leaks

Desai's resignation comes as he faces allegations in a U.S. lawsuit from Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd. for allegedly accepting trade secrets from a Teva employee that he was thought to be in a romantic relationship with.

The lawsuit, filed last July in a Pennsylvania federal court, accuses Barinder Sandhu, who worked as a senior director of regulatory affairs for Teva's U.S. generics division, of sharing trade secrets and other confidential information about Teva's product development with its competitor Apotex through Desai.

 

[JDG]

Yes it sounds as if she was smashed to the floor face first. Hopefully the blow knocked her out and she was saved from experiencing the horror.

Is there a MSM link to this theory? Ive read nothing from TPS about her being smashed in the face. There was a rumour about her sitting in blood but where in MSM is this please?