Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #6

[WINDSOR]

Agree. Someone who had been in the house before. I also agree that it may not have been planned. JMO.

Could it have been someone who had toured the house with the real estate agent, posing as a potential buyer?

If I wanted someone dead in a particular way and was seeking vengeance and wishing to send a message to others, and if I hired a professional hit-team, I would imagine the hit team would want access to the kill site to check things out. Rest assured the hit team, had other weapons, (guns, knives) but had particular instructions to carry out.

I am pretty sure a hit-team was involved, because of the apparent lack of forensic evidence. If there was a lot of forensic evidence the TPS would not have searched the site for six weeks.

I also believe 'rage-killers' tend to be sloppy and leave a lot of evidence. This was a very deliberate and organized killing.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Because I listen to my gut feelings and think independently. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here are my thoughts.

After reading this article and listening to KW on the Fifth Estate, there is no evidence to prove someone entered the home and murdered the Sherman’s. As you probably know, polygraph tests are unreliable and that’s why they are inadmissible in Court.

Why was Honey beaten but not Barry? If the killer was angry with Barry and he was their target, why was Honey beaten instead of Barry?
LE said Honey was beaten elsewhere and her body was moved so that tells me she was killed first or knocked unconscious and then dragged or carried to the pool area where the belt was tied around her neck. Because Barry was in the home, why didn't he intervene when his wife was attacked? If she screamed, I doubt any of the neighbors could hear her. If there were two killers, why wasn't Barry attacked and beaten too?

If someone wanted Barry dead, why murder him in his house when Honey was there? Why risk entering the home and killing Barry when Honey is able to call 911 for help? This happened when Barry and Honey were alone in the house and the killer knew no one else was around.
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It’s common knowledge that a man has more physical power than most women and although there is physical evidence proving Honey tried to defend herself when she was being attacked, she couldn't. Barry just happens to be a big and powerful man.

If Barry did murder Honey, do you think he would want to go through a trial, live with the consequences of his actions, and spend the rest of his life in a prison cell?

It seems to me that the murderer was angry at Honey, not Barry. If the murderer was angry at Barry, again, why wouldn’t he beat Barry?
According to KW, the only person who hated Honey was Barry and many people knew their marriage was in trouble for a very long time.
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As far as we know, police haven’t found any evidence that proves someone entered the house and killed the Sherman's, so it makes sense that someone who lived there did it. This crime is personal and the rage was directed towards Honey, not Barry.

No forced entry, no DNA, no POIs, no suspects, no real leads, no Reward being offered for information that leads to the killer.

The fact that the security cameras weren’t working tells me that the person who committed the crime made sure they weren’t working to conceal what they did to Honey.

BBM

Conjures up thoughts of the Savapolous case.... IRRC a loved one was tied up and tortured while the other one was present to inflict more emotional harm seeing loved one hurt?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

What would be the point of revenge when nobody knows what it's for? If indeed it's revenge, then somebody, family or in the business, must know what it's for and who sent the message.

As the saying goes, revenge is best served cold?

 

[human]

Because they wanted to murder him.

That remark was in response to the idea that it was a burglary. I do not think a burglar would wait three hours for Barry to get home

 

[clearskies1]

That remark was in response to the idea that it was a burglary. I do not think a burglar would wait three hours for Barry to get home

True, but I don't think we know that Barry arrived 3 hours after Honey. If Honey didn't go straight home from Apotex there could be less of a time difference between their arrivals at home. Does anyone know when they arrived home?

 

[Grey-St]

That remark was in response to the idea that it was a burglary. I do not think a burglar would wait three hours for Barry to get home

Agreed, I don't think this was a burglary, imo. This was a targeted double-homicide, in which waiting for one of the targets to return home would be warranted.

 

[Grey-St]

True, but I don't think we know that Barry arrived 3 hours after Honey. If Honey didn't go straight home from Apotex there could be less of a time difference between their arrivals at home. Does anyone know when they arrived home?

Only the time they had both left Apotex has been reported on.

 

[clearskies1]

Only the time they had both left Apotex has been reported on.

Yes, that's what I thought. I don't think we can assume that each went straight home from Apotex. LE probably knows their approx. arrival times at home from cameras in the area (capturing their cars en route) but it's something we don't know.

 

[human]

True, but I don't think we know that Barry arrived 3 hours after Honey. If Honey didn't go straight home from Apotex there could be less of a time difference between their arrivals at home. Does anyone know when they arrived home?

Good point. Wouldn’t there be some info out there that she was seen at...... ? Or in the early days someone saying they saw Honey at the mall or at a coffeeshop or at their home?

 

[clearskies1]

Good point. Wouldn’t there be some info out there that she was seen at...... ? Or in the early days someone saying they saw Honey at the mall or at a coffeeshop or at their home?

Yes, you would think that any info like that would have leaked. On the other hand, maybe it was a long time gap (several hours) between their arrivals home that led LE to conclude that this was a pre-planned murder of both HS and BS ("targeted" as LE says) and not a burglary gone wrong.

 

[Jealoushe]

How does no one on that street have a surveillance camera?

 

[AllyJane]

How does no one on that street have a surveillance camera?

LE collected all the surveillance video from the neigbours.

 

[Bravo]

How does no one on that street have a surveillance camera?

I would think that they do. LE has let few details out. Perhaps "if" there is video it's not clear as to who did this. IMO.

 

[clearskies1]

I would think that they do. LE has let few details out. Perhaps "if" there is video it's not clear as to who did this. IMO.

Agree, possibly there is some helpful video but they need more to make an arrest.

 

[Myles]

Around 20 minutes. I'm not sure if it's Jeffrey's home or not. It may belong to his adoptive parents. From what I've read Jeffrey didn't have the disdain for BS the way his brother did, so I don't think it is relevant to the murder. More just understanding the history of the family

 

[human]

Around 20 minutes. I'm not sure if it's Jeffrey's home or not. It may belong to his adoptive parents. From what I've read Jeffrey didn't have the disdain for BS the way his brother did, so I don't think it is relevant to the murder. More just understanding the history of the family

Someone said that it is the address of the parents. So not close. No close interaction by anyone.

 

[pamelado2]

Because I listen to my gut feelings and think independently. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and here are my thoughts.

After reading this article and listening to KW on the Fifth Estate, there is no evidence to prove someone entered the home and murdered the Sherman’s. As you probably know, polygraph tests are unreliable and that’s why they are inadmissible in Court.

Why was Honey beaten but not Barry? If the killer was angry with Barry and he was their target, why was Honey beaten instead of Barry?
LE said Honey was beaten elsewhere and her body was moved so that tells me she was killed first or knocked unconscious and then dragged or carried to the pool area where the belt was tied around her neck. Because Barry was in the home, why didn't he intervene when his wife was attacked? If she screamed, I doubt any of the neighbors could hear her. If there were two killers, why wasn't Barry attacked and beaten too?

If someone wanted Barry dead, why murder him in his house when Honey was there? Why risk entering the home and killing Barry when Honey is able to call 911 for help? This happened when Barry and Honey were alone in the house and the killer knew no one else was around.
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It’s common knowledge that a man has more physical power than most women and although there is physical evidence proving Honey tried to defend herself when she was being attacked, she couldn't. Barry just happens to be a big and powerful man.

If Barry did murder Honey, do you think he would want to go through a trial, live with the consequences of his actions, and spend the rest of his life in a prison cell?

It seems to me that the murderer was angry at Honey, not Barry. If the murderer was angry at Barry, again, why wouldn’t he beat Barry?
According to KW, the only person who hated Honey was Barry and many people knew their marriage was in trouble for a very long time.
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As far as we know, police haven’t found any evidence that proves someone entered the house and killed the Sherman's, so it makes sense that someone who lived there did it. This crime is personal and the rage was directed towards Honey, not Barry.

No forced entry, no DNA, no POIs, no suspects, no real leads, no Reward being offered for information that leads to the killer.

The fact that the security cameras weren’t working tells me that the person who committed the crime made sure they weren’t working to conceal what they did to Honey.

The key phrase - "as far as we know". We don't know if there's any evidence or POI because LE hasn't spoken.

The bound hands, removal of bindings and inability to locate what bound them point directly to double murder IMO.

The fact that Honey had injuries says to me that she fell or resisted. It also posts to the fact that the killer(s) had her for an undetermined amount of time before Barry arrived home.

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[Jealoushe]

LE collected all the surveillance video from the neigbours.

Ok, I was wondering how there wasnt any! Must have gone straight into the garage?

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

"And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death" that is part of that equation. Besides, the Shermans weren't orthodox and pretty sure they would not consider this a "curse". And if the killers were orthodox then they would be breaking the 10 commandments so I am not sure this was done as a "curse". Send a message maybe. But not a curse.

There are other examples as well as curse prayers <modsnip>. The Sherman&#8217;s were not observant but many of their friends were and KW was raised Jewish as were the kids. Hanging would be like rubbing salt in the wound for the survivors<modsnip>.

 

[Sherlockhemlock]

What would be the point of revenge when nobody knows what it's for? If indeed it's revenge, then somebody, family or in the business, must know what it's for and who sent the message.

Their Jewish friends and family would know. Jmo