Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

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  • #821
Honey was targeted because, if she was not killed, she would likely have quickly determined who had arranged the murders. The Sherman's might have some prior notice of their impending deaths, such as " if you do such and such, it will be your end"

I think in such a scenario, Barry would inform his lawyer or someone he trusted. He clearly believed the best defence is a strong offence.

I wonder how emotionally close Barry and Honey were. I can imagine someone like that likely confided in long-standing business colleagues or advisors, rather than in his wife.
 
  • #822
Perhaps Honey was killed in order to stage it as a murder suicide. Not just to conceal the crime, but to blacken Barry's reputation.
 
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O/tish fwiw rbbm.
https://www.ctrack.com/za/blog/house-robbery-what-to-watch-out-for/
[h=2]What burglars don’t want you to know[/h] June 22, 2016
  • 8 out of 10 residential robberies are committed with the help of information from maids, gardeners and former employees.
  • Robbers will monitor the home for as long as two weeks.
  • Most attacks occur between 19:00 and midnight as people are relaxed, sleeping, cooking or watching TV and the security systems and beams are not activated. Robberies can continue until 04:00.
  • 97% of robbers are armed.
  • On average, an armed robbery gang has four members.
  • The average age of a house robber is 19 to 26 years of age.
  • An average of 30% of all house robbers have either committed murder, or won’t hesitate to commit murder.
  • Only 17% of house robbers are foreigners.
  • Of all arrested robbers, 90% had no matric qualification or were unemployed. The 10% who had been employed gave up their jobs when confirming how much they could ‘earn’ from a robbery.
  • Most victims or targets are affluent persons who openly display their wealth, for example wearing expensive jewelry.
  • The average robber commits 103 robberies over 7 years before getting caught.
  • Most attackers’ homes or ‘bases’ are a 10 to 30 minute drive from the target address.
  • The conviction rate for house robberies in South Africa is only 7.67%. In the USA it is 53%.
  • Robbers are not deterred by alarms and armed reaction services.
 
  • #826
Why would they simply not smash and grab? What time of day were their crimes?

I don't know anything other than the link. Just posted it to point out, burglars have a specific mission to steal valuables, murder is not on their agenda. Plus, they leave clear signs of having broken in, whereas the absence of signs of a break-in at the Sherman home was highlighted by police right away.
 
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http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/hollywood-versus-the-real-world-of-hitmen/
by Peter Shawn Taylor Feb 24, 2017
Hollywood versus the real world of hitmen
In what may be the most comprehensive effort to understand the business of murder-for-hire and its practitioners, a 2014 British investigation scoured 39 years of evidence about hired killers. The authors found hitmen range in age from 15 to 63, with the average being 38-years old. A gun is their weapon of choice. And the most common setting is a suburban streetscape with the target walking a dog or shopping. It also remains a gender-specific occupation. The authors found only one case of a female assassin-for-hire.

The British report proposes four distinct types of contract killers: novices, dilettantes, journeymen and masters. Novices are young, first-time killers often steeped in violent street culture. Dilettantes are generally older and come to the grim business out of dire financial need. Journeymen are local enforcers often well-known to police. Only the final category of master—someone who travels from hit to hit and leaves no local trace—matches the standard Hollywood image of the cool professional killer. It was also the only group for which the authors could find no solid evidence.

“From discussions with our network of informants, it was clear that ‘Masters’ do, indeed, exist,” they write, arguing they often come from military or paramilitary backgrounds. “However, this is impossible to verify with any certainty. These ‘Masters,’ by virtue of evading justice, exist in the shadows—almost like ghosts—and it has therefore been impossible to build up any concrete picture of them.”

The popular image of the ghost-like assassin may thus be real after all. If it is, however, we’re still reliant on Hollywood for the details.
 
  • #829

The real question to me is why didn’t she advise them in advance that she wouldn’t be attending the meeting? Even if something comes up at the last minute, most people would I think send a text or email to say they won’t be able to attend the meeting. She evidently didn’t do that. I would really like to know if BS was at home when this meeting was supposed to take place. Also, I would like to know the visiting schedule for her personal trainer during that week.
 
  • #830
Perhaps Honey was killed in order to stage it as a murder suicide. Not just to conceal the crime, but to blacken Barry's reputation.

They could have killed Barry anywhere. Even as he got into his car after work that night. But instead the killers CHOSE the house as the location where they killed him. There is a reason for that IMO. Maybe the house itself is meaningful in the reason for the killings in some way. Or maybe they wanted to make sure they killed both of them together, perhaps to have them watch each other be strangled simultaneously as a final horrific punishment or retribution. These killings were Very close and personal imo, as was the method of killing. It seems to me that honey was their target just as Barry was - the killers wanted to kill them both, and together. All moo.
 
  • #831
Of Matou's link below a lot stood out to me, for example this:

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/barry-honey-sherman-murders/

Honey, never afraid to shake things up, led the charge. Shulman last saw her 10 days before her death—at a meeting she’d convened at the UJA to discuss how to generate more giving from a certain profession, one he declines to name. “You would always see Honey without Barry, but if you saw Barry he was pretty much always with Honey,” says Cooper.
 
  • #832
Of Matou's link below a lot stood out to me, for example this:

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/barry-honey-sherman-murders/

Honey, never afraid to shake things up, led the charge. Shulman last saw her 10 days before her death—at a meeting she’d convened at the UJA to discuss how to generate more giving from a certain profession, one he declines to name. “You would always see Honey without Barry, but if you saw Barry he was pretty much always with Honey,” says Cooper.

He was a work a holic. they aren't around a lot and she did her own thing on the charity gala circuit.
she ran it as a business, meetings and socials day and evenings. They lead separate lives in that way.

Not unusual at all when one partner is a work a holic.

Which ever profession, its simply saying they tend to be cheapskates and that explains why they don't want to name them, thus insulting them and getting even less money. Id guess its doctors. Notorious for underpaying their staff and often tightwads. Honey would have known a lot of them through her affiliations.
 
  • #833
O/T

http://www.cjnews.com/perspectives/opinions/barry-honey-sherman-embodiment-tzedakah

BARRY AND HONEY SHERMAN; THE EMBODIMENT OF TZEDAKAH

Each of our guests filled their suitcases with medications, painkillers, bandages, cleansing alcohol, gauze, ointments, tweezers, even toothpaste, mouthwash and underarm deodorants, thanks to the generosity of Apotex and Barry Sherman.

When we delivered the goods to the synagogue, the elderly pharmacist looked at the boxes as a child would behold a brand new bike. La Gran Sinagoga de Havana became the best-stocked pharmacy on the island, a legendary act of tzedakah that’s still remembered to this day.
 
  • #834
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/high-profile-cases-1.4470585

High-profile cases like the Sherman deaths no easier to solve for police, experts say

Much like the mysterious Sherman case, the Fagan murders gripped the city — but four decades later, the high-profile case still hasn't been solved.

A year after the Fagan murders, another prominent Toronto family was struck by tragedy. Just minutes away from the Fagan home, three members of the Airst family — Isaac and Celia Airst, and their son, Avrom — were found bludgeoned to death inside their home in the Glencairn Avenue and Englemount Avenue area.

To this day, that high-profile case also remains unsolved.

He cited the case of Glen Davis, a wealthy environmental philanthropist who was gunned down in an underground parking garage over his lunch hour in 2007.

It took several years to solve the case, Gallant noted, but in the end, Davis' godson pleaded guilty to planning his shooting death.
 
  • #835
I wanted to share in the sentiment of others that the Maclean's article was simply phenomenal. It was certainly lengthy, but so very informative. They really did their homework.

The possibilities are truly endless in this case. I almost scrapped my entire list of top people of interest! Upon further thought, I think I'll keep it. However, I do give it much less credence, acknowledging that there are just so many additional avenues that could be possible, and then even those we don't know of yet.
 
  • #836
What if for some reason it was just Honey who was the target? And it would be Barry who knew who had it in for his wife? So he had to be murdered too. In the Macleans article Honey had said in an e-mail "she was dealing with some stuff" What was the stuff? Hmmm


The scenario you propose has some merit, however on the surface it is much more likely that Barry's personality, aggression and tactics would have been motive for the murder.

Based on what has been published, I cannot see Honey provoking anybody enough to commit murder.
 
  • #837
I would not want to be in anyone’s shoes that was not a friend of the Sherman’s.
 
  • #838
Of Matou's link below a lot stood out to me, for example this:

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/barry-honey-sherman-murders/

Honey, never afraid to shake things up, led the charge. Shulman last saw her 10 days before her death—at a meeting she’d convened at the UJA to discuss how to generate more giving from a certain profession, one he declines to name. “You would always see Honey without Barry, but if you saw Barry he was pretty much always with Honey,” says Cooper.

Thinking about this statement now, thinking that maybe the killer/s knew that Barry was seldom seen without Honey.
Chances of getting him alone were likely slim, so if they wanted him, they would have to target Honey too.

It is peculiar that HS missed that meeting one day prior to the murders, but she was still able to respond when they reached out to ask if HS was okay.
Could somebody have been with HS at the time, perhaps trying to dissuade her from going to the meeting and maybe trying to stop whatever plans she had for that meeting?
If so, did they try to pressure her to push Barry into investing or donating to a different cause, or to drop a lawsuit of one sort or another?

speculation, imo.

“You would always see Honey without Barry, but if you saw Barry he was pretty much always with Honey,”
 
  • #839
Thinking about this statement now, thinking that maybe the killer/s knew that Barry was seldom seen without Honey.
Chances of getting him alone were likely slim, so if they wanted him, they would have to target Honey too.

It is peculiar that HS missed that meeting one day prior to the murders, but she was still able to respond when they reached out to ask if HS was okay.
Could somebody have been with HS at the time, perhaps trying to dissuade her from going to the meeting and maybe trying to stop whatever plans she had for that meeting?
If so, did they try to pressure her to push Barry into investing or donating to a different cause, or to drop a lawsuit of one sort or another?

speculation, imo.

“You would always see Honey without Barry, but if you saw Barry he was pretty much always with Honey,”

Or maybe it was Barry with her. That is another possibility.
 
  • #840
That is one clue that sticks out. Something totally different for Honey.

I am sure LE is looking into this anomaly Hard to imagine she just forgot. .
 
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