Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[kiwi50]

Why did Barry hate Honey so much? Well, you’d have to known her. According to Barry, she was “mean spirited”. Her 3 daughter’s were estranged for years from her. With all her diamond jewelry and Jewish high society here in Toronto, she had no class. They say you can take the girl out of the trailer park but you can’t take the trailer park out of the girl.
Honey was a classless, vulgar, pushy, rude nasty *****.
Bottom line: l witnessed her being very demeaning and provocative towards Barry. She loved to push his buttons and taunt him about being a workaholic.

so do we assume you hated Honey more than you hated Barry?

 

[Tortoise]

I sued him for 20% of Apotex Inc,

I get the feeling it wasn't about the money?

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I would expect - IF I ever would expect at all - to get 20% of the value of your father's group of companies at the time he unfortunately died much too early.
The chance for you and your brothers to get a job at the age of 21 at one of the companies your father owned when he died, you hadn't been given. BUT certainly you are not able to claim objectively, whether you ever would have taken this chance for longer than a probationary period and whether you would have been successful, IF . Think of BS' own children: no one is working in his business. There may be a reason and you might have had the same reason for quitting work with BS at an early stage.
After all, BS had cared for you and your brothers with the help of his money again and again. Do you think your own father would have generously funded you and your brothers without reinsurance over tens of years? I think, he wouldn't have as well. Your father would have tried to teach you and your brothers responsibly handling with his laboriously earned money as BS did, I think. Which intelligent, busy, wealthy father would not?
You and your brothers had a nightmarish childhood, it seems. I'm very, very sorry about that!
Though I don't understand why only your cousin Barry should be to blame for those very unhappy years and your further life, you and your brothers - 4 orphans in the care of adoptive parents - had to endure. I think, more of BS' money would not have really helped you and your brothers. The ambition to become successful of your very own would have helped - the wrong view of your life like "shoulda-coulda-woulda" may have been poison for you and your brothers and will remain poison forever, IMO.
As you said: BS couldn't buy happiness with all his money. Neither you and your brothers (s-i-l), as bad as it is.

Thank you. Very well said.


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[SeesSeas]

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...d-nervous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court
May 4, 2018

More from your link:
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...d-nervous-breakdown-sister-in-law-tells-court

MANDEL: Barry Sherman's cousin Kerry Winter suffered nervous breakdown, sister-in-law tells court

Updated:May 4, 2018 8:39 PM EDT
[...]
His children are now being harassed at school. “In particular, they are being told that their father (Kerry) is a murderer.”
While he’s spearheaded the lawsuit on her behalf, as representative of her late husband, as well as his brother Tim Barkin, Julia Winter said her brother-in-law is now “unable to provide instructions” to their lawyer Brad Teplitsky or “participate in joint decision-making regarding the litigation with me and Tim.”
Teplitsky asked the court to require Winter to undergo a mental health examination to see whether the Office of the Public Guardian should be appointed as his litigation guardian. He’s now agreed to the assessment.
[...]

 

[dotr]

http://www.allaboutestates.ca/privacy-rule-law-apotex/

[h=2]Privacy, the Rule of Law, and Apotex Inc.[/h] By Gillian Fournie • May 2, 2018

However, the Court held that references in Julia’s affidavits to Kerry’s current mental state were relevant. While this observational evidence, put forward by a close family member, was sensitive, it did not raise specific confidentiality and privacy concerns such as those arising from medical diagnoses or communications with a medical practitioners. Also, Kerry had already demonstrated his willingness to discuss these matters publically. As a result, the Court held that the moving parties had not shown “a real and substantial risk” to Kerry’s privacy interests, or to the broader public interest, which was necessary to justify a sealing order.

The Court left to be decided at a later time whether Kerry’s capacity assessment, once completed, would form part of public record.

This decision provides guidance for litigators when deciding not only what evidence to put forward in guardianship matters, but also what evidence can be held private. The decision also ensures that the general public will continue to get their Apotex trial updates from the Toronto Star.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...sment-as-billion-dollar-appeal-continues.html

But two affidavits that would shed light on comments about Winter’s mental state are sealed from public view. The Sherman family’s lawyer wants them unsealed.

The affidavits were prepared by Julia Winter, Kerry’s sister-in-law, who lives in Western Canada and is the widow of Sherman cousin Dana Winter.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...sment-as-billion-dollar-appeal-continues.html

In a portion of the Julia Winter affidavit referenced in the documents, Julia states that in 2017 it was “clear to everyone that (Jeffrey Barkin) was under mental disability.” That attempt to appoint a guardian for Jeffrey was abandoned after he produced a psychiatrist’s note stating he had “no capacity issues.”

Jeffrey Barkin told the Star recently that he has no interest in the ongoing dispute. “(Barry and Honey) did so much for the community, and I do not wish to diminish this,” he said.

 

[Grey-St]

Why would Barry ask someone to kill Honey? Seems like that would be very problematic. Why not kill her with some clever undetectable drugs?

Because he likely didn't, and he likely wouldn't.

 

[Grey-St]

I would expect - IF I ever would expect at all - to get 20% of the value of your father's group of companies at the time he unfortunately died much too early.
The chance for you and your brothers to get a job at the age of 21 at one of the companies your father owned when he died, you hadn't been given. BUT certainly you are not able to claim objectively, whether you ever would have taken this chance for longer than a probationary period and whether you would have been successful, IF . Think of BS' own children: no one is working in his business. There may be a reason and you might have had the same reason for quitting work with BS at an early stage.
After all, BS had cared for you and your brothers with the help of his money again and again. Do you think your own father would have generously funded you and your brothers without reinsurance over tens of years? I think, he wouldn't have as well. Your father would have tried to teach you and your brothers responsibly handling with his laboriously earned money as BS did, I think. Which intelligent, busy, wealthy father would not?
You and your brothers had a nightmarish childhood, it seems. I'm very, very sorry about that!
Though I don't understand why only your cousin Barry should be to blame for those very unhappy years and your further life, you and your brothers - 4 orphans in the care of adoptive parents - had to endure. I think, more of BS' money would not have really helped you and your brothers. The ambition to become successful of your very own would have helped - the wrong view of your life like "shoulda-coulda-woulda" may have been poison for you and your brothers and will remain poison forever, IMO.
As you said: BS couldn't buy happiness with all his money. Neither you and your brothers (s-i-l), as bad as it is.

I don't think it was entirely about the money. I think they felt deeply wronged, and their course of justice was in the civil court system. Not an uncommon scenario.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I don't think it was entirely about the money. I think they felt deeply wronged, and their course of justice was in the civil court system. Not an uncommon scenario.

Why not being a bit modest?

The relatives, who are Mr. Sherman's cousins, say they found out about the agreement only a few years ago and when they started asking Mr. Sherman questions about it, he stopped supporting them financially. They are seeking $1.5-billion in damages from Mr. Sherman and Royal Trust Co., which was involved in drafting the agreement.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...family-feud-comes-to-the-fore/article1069800/

Btw: Julia W. would have to demand the least, in my opinion. But she is the one with the most know-how ....

 

[Grey-St]

Why not being a bit modest?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/rep...family-feud-comes-to-the-fore/article1069800/

Btw: Julia W. would have to demand the least, in my opinion. But she is the one with the most know-how ....

It's difficult to put a number on someone's experience of injustice. Lawyers are the one's that usually decide what is justifiable. When assessing the business and loss to the siblings, I suppose that's what the lawyers came up with.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It's difficult to put a number on someone's experience of injustice. Lawyers are the one's that usually decide what is justifiable. When assessing the business and loss to the siblings, I suppose that's what the lawyers came up with.

AFAIK, JW is a lawyer. Hopefully I'm not wrong with that?

 

[Grey-St]

AFAIK, JW is a lawyer. Hopefully I'm not wrong with that?

Oh, I'm not sure! Would she not represent them if that was the case?

 

[ldlager]

New article and information from the Toronto Star

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/05/08/how-the-investigation-into-the-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman-turned-from-murder-suicide-to-double-homicide.html

 

[casesensitive]

New article and information from the Toronto Star

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/05/08/how-the-investigation-into-the-deaths-of-barry-and-honey-sherman-turned-from-murder-suicide-to-double-homicide.html

Thanks idlager. I have copied the article since the Toronto Star only allows ten free views per month.

Veteran forensic pathologist Dr. David Chiasson stood beside Barry Sherman’s body on the stainless steel table, preparing to do a second, private autopsy. Natural light filtered through the frosted glass windows of the modern Ontario coroner’s building. Three private detectives, former homicide cops, stood nearby.

The skin was missing from around Sherman’s wrists, surgically removed by another pathologist several days before in the first examination, the official autopsy requested by the police. The same had been done to Honey Sherman’s wrists.

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[ldlager]

Thank you casesensitive.
Now we learn that there was an approx. 40 minute time gap between the discovery of the body by the realtor assistant and the housekeeper calling 911. In the meantime, the realtor in Florida called someone. What possible reason could there be to wait 40 minutes to call police? It makes absolutely no sense to me. So, I am left to wonder if someone else arrived at the house during that time, perhaps as a result of the call? If so, did they access the murder scene? What could they have done there? I am really beginning to question things here, there are way too many unanswered questions and very strange occurrences with this case.

 

[Jennifer17]

I wonder why the house cleaners did not find any blood from Honey being assaulted?

 

[matou]

It took 40 minutes for someone to call 911? SMH.

 

[Snoopster]

The photos showed markings made by some type of rope or plastic tie that had encircled both Barry and Honey&#8217;s wrists and damaged the skin. The deduction Chiasson and the private detectives made was that their wrists had been bound prior to death. From the photos they could not determine if the hands were bound in front, or behind their backs. As to the biopsy that would determine the age of the skin abrasions on the wrists, the Star could not get answers. The photographs indicated they were recent abrasions, sources said.

Photos of the scene did not reveal any ropes or ties that could be responsible for the abrasions.

The photos displayed by Dr. Pickup also showed the positioning of the bodies near the pool. As has been previously reported, leather belts were looped around their necks and used to hold them in a sitting position, backs to the pool.

In Chiasson&#8217;s examination, it was determined that they were likely not strangled with the belts. Instead, they were strangled with some other type of ligature, and the belts were then put around their necks.

Sources have told the Star that while one belt appears to be Barry Sherman&#8217;s (he was not wearing a belt when found) it is not known where the other belt came from.

snipped from the above Toronto Star article.

So was the presumption that they were tied up elsewhere by the wrists and dragged to the pool room. Hung by the belts and then the ties removed. Was it because they brought the ties/rope and didn't want them traced?

 

[casesensitive]

Sorry sillybilly, I forgot about the 10% copyright rule. Is it okay to break up an article in different posts, eg ten posts with 10% each time? tia