Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

[JDG]

I wonder why the house cleaners did not find any blood from Honey being assaulted?

Guess it all happened in/around/near the pool area. Obviously not on the other two floors.

 

[JDG]

It took 40 minutes for someone to call 911? SMH.

I'd phone 911 to 'seek direction' or to tell them to get the heck to the address NOW!

SMH too.

 

[Sillybilly]

Sorry sillybilly, I forgot about the 10% copyright rule. Is it okay to break up an article in different posts, eg ten posts with 10% each time? tia

Sorry, but we can't do that either.

 

[JayFriend]

Sorry sillybilly, I forgot about the 10% copyright rule. Is it okay to break up an article in different posts, eg ten posts with 10% each time? tia

Many newspapers limit access to their on line articles to 10 visits per week per user or something like that, unless you buy a subscription.. All you have to do is delete your cookies for the website and you can view 10 more.

 

[JDG]

Many newspapers limit access to their on line articles to 10 visits per week per user or something like that, unless you buy a subscription.. All you have to do is delete your cookies for the website and you can view 10 more.

JayFriend, and how does one do that? Not terribly computer literate here.....thanks in advance.

 

[Kaley Smith]

The length of time it took to call in the horrific scene is mind-boggling. I don't care how in shock a person is. We learn by age 4 or 5 to call 911. Neither the realtor's assistant nor the housekeeper called 911 for 40 minutes. How do they explain that? Were they perhaps scared to death the murderers were still in the house? Frozen in fear? I can't see a reason not to call for help immediately.

 

[Kaley Smith]

I still don't understand why police thought at first that it was a murder-suicide. None of the evidence I've heard so far points to that. Maybe they were lying low, trying to lull the killer(s) into a false sense of security?

 

[human]

JayFriend, and how does one do that? Not terribly computer literate here.....thanks in advance.

If you delete cookies, then you have to reenter your passwords.

 

[Kaley Smith]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...terview/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c1f0406aa5af

Not sure if this has been posted on here.

 

[Jasper52]

JayFriend, and how does one do that? Not terribly computer literate here.....thanks in advance.

I use Chrome. I just click ctrl+shift+delete. I usually do this before shutting down for the night and have yet to hit a paywall.

 

[Satchie]

The length of time it took to call in the horrific scene is mind-boggling. I don't care how in shock a person is. We learn by age 4 or 5 to call 911. Neither the realtor's assistant nor the housekeeper called 911 for 40 minutes. How do they explain that? Were they perhaps scared to death the murderers were still in the house? Frozen in fear? I can't see a reason not to call for help immediately.

I speculate that a junior REALTOR® in the Toronto luxury home market is under strict orders that, if they encounter something unexpected, they are not to do anything without getting instructions from the boss. Especially if it involves, in any way, shape or form, the police.

After all, the owners being found murdered in their pool room while the home is actually for sale, could have a significantly negative impact on the sale and therefore the commission. Even more importantly, the murders might actually have been associated with the actions of a REALTOR®, such as being careless with keys or showing the house to the wrong type of people. And yet more importantly, the other clients of the REALTOR® could be so disturbed by the association between the REALTOR® and the murder of the homeowners, they might actually change realtors. And an even further massively scary implication could be, that the murder of this couple in their luxury home, while it was for sale, could be just that little unexpected pin prick that bursts the inflated Toronto luxury real estate market, leaving nothing but a ragged bit of balloon.

So, I speculate, this is why, after 30 or so minutes of discussion, the housekeeper was told to phone 911, rather than the REALTOR® who actually found the bodies.

 

[Tortoise]

I've yet to see the reason police assumed only Honey was a victim. If the ME thought they were strangled by ligatures other than the belts and wrist restraints were used. Something is not right about this. A theory built around Barry's belt being taken off?

 

[nuff]

I have copied the article since the Toronto Star only allows ten free views per month.

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Untrue - the Toronto Star has no paywall. The Globe & Mail and the Toronto Sun restrict the # of free articles.

 

[ldlager]

The length of time it took to call in the horrific scene is mind-boggling. I don't care how in shock a person is. We learn by age 4 or 5 to call 911. Neither the realtor's assistant nor the housekeeper called 911 for 40 minutes. How do they explain that? Were they perhaps scared to death the murderers were still in the house? Frozen in fear? I can't see a reason not to call for help immediately.

The realtors assistant thought it was more important to call the listing agent (who was in Florida) than to call 911!!! Then she obviously followed the listing agents instructions to NOT call 911 right away, until someone was called first. Who does that? And more importantly, why?

 

[ldlager]

I speculate that a junior REALTOR® in the Toronto luxury home market is under strict orders that, if they encounter something unexpected, they are not to do anything without getting instructions from the boss. Especially if it involves, in any way, shape or form, the police.

After all, the owners being found murdered in their pool room while the home is actually for sale, could have a significantly negative impact on the sale and therefore the commission. Even more importantly, the murders might actually have been associated with the actions of a REALTOR®, such as being careless with keys or showing the house to the wrong type of people. And yet more importantly, the other clients of the REALTOR® could be so disturbed by the association between the REALTOR® and the murder of the homeowners, they might actually change realtors. And an even further massively scary implication could be, that the murder of this couple in their luxury home, while it was for sale, could be just that little unexpected pin prick that bursts the inflated Toronto luxury real estate market, leaving nothing but a ragged bit of balloon.

So, I speculate, this is why, after 30 or so minutes of discussion, the housekeeper was told to phone 911, rather than the REALTOR® who actually found the bodies.

I get it, but that&#8217;s completely crazy. How would the assistant even know that the Sherman&#8217;s were already dead when she saw them? They were at the other end of the room, facing away from the doorway and facing away from the realtors assistant. Instead of calling 911 and possibly saving their lives, both realtors are more concerned with their reputation, or losing a sale? There is more to this than we know, imo.

 

[ldlager]

Three important things in the article
1. 40 minutes to call 911. Why? Did someone access the crime scene during that time?
2. Barry didn&#8217;t want to move from the Old Colony house (as speculated by the m/s posters here for some time)
3. They were strangled with a ligature that was not the belts. But While evidently Knowing that, LE maintained its M/s position for weeks. The article says the second autopsy led Chiasson to conclude they hadnt been strangled with the belts. I infer from the phrasing used that the first autopsy may have missed that.

 

[JayFriend]

JayFriend, and how does one do that? Not terribly computer literate here.....thanks in advance.

With Firefox I go to Tools > Options > Privacy & Security > History > remove individual cookies
Other browsers are likely similar, I don't have a clue about phones.

 

[JayFriend]

If you delete cookies, then you have to reenter your passwords.

Nope.

 

[JayFriend]

I get it, but that&#8217;s completely crazy. How would the assistant even know that the Sherman&#8217;s were already dead when she saw them? They were at the other end of the room, facing away from the doorway and facing away from the realtors assistant. Instead of calling 911 and possibly saving their lives, both realtors are more concerned with their reputation, or losing a sale? There is more to this than we know, imo.

Doesn't matter. Her first priority would be to keep this horror from a prospective buyer,

 

[dotr]

Trying to visualize the scene when the agents first entered the pool area, would the Sherman's backs be the first thing seen, or their faces?
If faces first, could that have been staged that way with the purpose of shocking and horrifying the agent and prospective clients?
speculation, imo.