CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, his horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019

[zecats]

Family of missing Merritt cowboy pleads for any information

Tyner is originally from Wyoming, and his family is planning to return there today. The family held a news conference with Merritt RCMP this morning, during which family members asked the public to come forward with any information they may have that could lead them to Tyner.

Family members also believe when he went out riding, he was looking for cattle.

The Southeast District's Major Crimes unit was called in to assist with the investigation last week.

"To say that we are heartbroken is an understatement," his mom states. "Our hearts are shattered and our lives have been thrown into an endless turmoil. We feel as if we are only shells of the people we were before our son, Ben Tyner, went missing over two weeks ago."

"To think that I will never again see his smile or hear his infectious laugh, never see him realize his dreams, never have him wrap his arms around me again is unthinkable. Our son loved life and touched so many people during his life."

"When I look at what Ben accomplished during his short time here I am blown away," his father said. "He touched so many lives on his way to accomplishing his dreams, that it is truly amazing. I really hope that in some way he knows how loved and how special he was."

 

[Deleted member 238131]

Ita. Plus, it would be abnormal for him, as a new manager, to deviate from his normal routine, imo. Ben’s lived & cowboyed in rude elements. He’s well aware of the danger.
Idk if he rode daily for his job but I have cowboy friends that like to give their horse/s a day off.

For sure, but an outfit like NR cowboys have more than one horse to ride.

 

[Trudie]

For sure, but an outfit like NR cowboys have more than one horse to ride.

Yes & I’m sure NR owns horses, as well. I only heard of Ben bringing one from WY.

 

[jewelsmac]

Family of missing Merritt cowboy pleads for any information

Tyner is originally from Wyoming, and his family is planning to return there today. The family held a news conference with Merritt RCMP this morning, during which family members asked the public to come forward with any information they may have that could lead them to Tyner.

Family members also believe when he went out riding, he was looking for cattle.

The Southeast District's Major Crimes unit was called in to assist with the investigation last week.

"To say that we are heartbroken is an understatement," his mom states. "Our hearts are shattered and our lives have been thrown into an endless turmoil. We feel as if we are only shells of the people we were before our son, Ben Tyner, went missing over two weeks ago."

"To think that I will never again see his smile or hear his infectious laugh, never see him realize his dreams, never have him wrap his arms around me again is unthinkable. Our son loved life and touched so many people during his life."

"When I look at what Ben accomplished during his short time here I am blown away," his father said. "He touched so many lives on his way to accomplishing his dreams, that it is truly amazing. I really hope that in some way he knows how loved and how special he was."

Surely someone knows something... somewhere. Just goes to show you that men disappear too. . So often when you think of “MISSING” you think of a woman leaving a bar late at night, or someone getting kidnapped in parking lot. You don’t think about big strong guys just disappearing off the face of the planet. How does this happen?

 

[zecats]

Ben Tyner’s family thanks community; pleads for information - Merritt Herald

The major crime unit is lending a hand to ensure nothing is missed in the investigation and to provide additional resources.

“The major crime unit will be assisting until such time Mr. Tyner is located or his body is located and determination of cause of death has been made,” Sgt. Janelle Shoihet wrote to the Herald.

“They will continue to interview witnesses, we may re-interview witnesses, and looking at other evidence, tips and information that comes in as the weeks go on,” said Merritt RCMP Const. Tracy Dunsmore.

We have done several subsequent small searches since then, and will continue to do so as the evidence shows up,” she said. “We can’t reveal all aspects of our investigation, but I do want to say that it is difficult for people in the community, they hear rumours, they hear theories and it is hard not to do that, but we are committed to updating the community if there is any major development in the case. So any rumours or theories that have been thrown out to this point are not true.”

“Our next step with the Tyner situation is just to re-examine where we have been, where we weren’t where the other possibilities may be and come up with a new action plan,” said Sgt. Norm Flemming “I suppose we can always hold out a measure of hope that he is injured but alive — I’d say the odds of that become a little longer every day.”

 

[Deleted member 238131]

If at first they thought he disappeared Sunday, but then found out out it was Saturday, how does it give you a day, wouldn’t you be further behind?

I think LE is really guessing because they'v said, it's likely he went out on Sunday....but from what I gather with reporting (and heresay) no one knows whether he was at home in his own bed by himself that Saturday night. Just that they can place him at the ranch Saturday afternoon.

So, the search may have not started for what, 3 days that he'd been "out there somewhere"? Losing the most critical first 48 hours of someone missing.

Here's what I've been chewing on:
Why didn't the "loggers" who came across the saddled horse tell anyone prior to letting KR know? And why wouldn't they just call the RCMP? Or did they? And them, why didn't KR the RCMP? He called GD instead. (and GD is quoted in MSM). Did anyone call ML the brand inspector? It's BT's horse, so it doesn't have the NR brand on it.
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Who are the "loggers"? Surely these "loggers" would think it a concern seeing a saddled horse out there with no rider in sight? Most of us would automatically know something wasn't right seeing a saddled horse in the bush.

And, so I would assume they are logging in the daylight . . . when & what method did they make contact with KR, "hey, we saw a saddled horse yesterday, weird, huh?" And this is Sunday during the day or at night? Has this logging crew always been working Sundays? Where are they taking their loaded trucks?

Or, was it the following Monday morning, they are out first thing and physically tell KR where this horse is and he directly goes out, locates it after it's been roaming for 8, 10, 12 hours (after being sighted the day before) and has it tied up by 5:30 in the morning?~~~

Was there someone trying to be a hero, wanting to locate the missing rider and solve the mystery & that's why they didn't just immediately contact the RCMP? (Anyone can report that sort of thing).
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No report as to whether the dog(s) were kennelled or in the boot room, or anything other than he left it (them) behind and that's unusual (I've read one dog, two dogs...?) . . . IMO, LE would factor this in to narrow down a time frame, too. Would it really be unusual to leave his dog behind when he's going out socializing for the evening? And overnight, some let their dogs in the house, some never and they sleep live out-of-doors ... what would BT do?
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The clothes missing, do they know whether he was dressed for riding or was he wearing "town-clothes" indicating good wear not work clothes?
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I suppose if something happened while he was out riding and he met/came across a party that wanted him to disappear then they could have taken him anywhere: local or remote - lakes, rivers, gravel pits, etc . My opinion leads this way.
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I have no words even remotely adequate for what the family is going through.

 

[Deleted member 238131]

W


Who knows. If injured, maybe he could not lift saddle.
I would try to keep my horse near me, hoping she’d be visible to SAR.
You?

Never thought about that. hmmm?

 

[Deleted member 238131]

I'm glad I am not the only one that is clueless about horses. I agree, no one talking, no evidence of him being out there- no boot, glove, hat, something- ugh. I am wondering if he was ever out there in the first place, and the poor horse might have been used to distract LE from investigating other angles.

I wish it was clear that he actually left on Sunday morning. The last anyone saw Ben alive in person, appears to be Saturday night. It makes a difference in my eyes as to other possibilities that may have occurred between Saturday night and Sunday morning.

Absolutely I agree, this is really the key as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Deleted member 238131]

Yes & I’m sure NR owns horses, as well. I only heard of Ben bringing one from WY.

Yes, they have their own. At least they used to, last I knew.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Surely someone knows something... somewhere. Just goes to show you that men disappear too. . So often when you think of “MISSING” you think of a woman leaving a bar late at night, or someone getting kidnapped in parking lot. You don’t think about big strong guys just disappearing off the face of the planet. How does this happen?

I could but won't list the 6 active cases involving missing MEN that I am working just today!!! It absolutely happens to all genders/ages/colors, all the time and is maddening! I agree - how does this keep happening??

 

[DarkestHour2019]

I think LE is really guessing because they'v said, it's likely he went out on Sunday....but from what I gather with reporting (and heresay) no one knows whether he was at home in his own bed by himself that Saturday night. Just that they can place him at the ranch Saturday afternoon.

So, the search may have not started for what, 3 days that he'd been "out there somewhere"? Losing the most critical first 48 hours of someone missing.

Here's what I've been chewing on:
Why didn't the "loggers" who came across the saddled horse tell anyone prior to letting KR know? And why wouldn't they just call the RCMP? Or did they? And them, why didn't KR the RCMP? He called GD instead. (and GD is quoted in MSM). Did anyone call ML the brand inspector? It's BT's horse, so it doesn't have the NR brand on it.
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Who are the "loggers"? Surely these "loggers" would think it a concern seeing a saddled horse out there with no rider in sight? Most of us would automatically know something wasn't right seeing a saddled horse in the bush.

And, so I would assume they are logging in the daylight . . . when & what method did they make contact with KR, "hey, we saw a saddled horse yesterday, weird, huh?" And this is Sunday during the day or at night? Has this logging crew always been working Sundays? Where are they taking their loaded trucks?

Or, was it the following Monday morning, they are out first thing and physically tell KR where this horse is and he directly goes out, locates it after it's been roaming for 8, 10, 12 hours (after being sighted the day before) and has it tied up by 5:30 in the morning?~~~

Was there someone trying to be a hero, wanting to locate the missing rider and solve the mystery & that's why they didn't just immediately contact the RCMP? (Anyone can report that sort of thing).
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No report as to whether the dog(s) were kennelled or in the boot room, or anything other than he left it (them) behind and that's unusual (I've read one dog, two dogs...?) . . . IMO, LE would factor this in to narrow down a time frame, too. Would it really be unusual to leave his dog behind when he's going out socializing for the evening? And overnight, some let their dogs in the house, some never and they sleep live out-of-doors ... what would BT do?
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The clothes missing, do they know whether he was dressed for riding or was he wearing "town-clothes" indicating good wear not work clothes?
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I suppose if something happened while he was out riding and he met/came across a party that wanted him to disappear then they could have taken him anywhere: local or remote - lakes, rivers, gravel pits, etc . My opinion leads this way.
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I have no words even remotely adequate for what the family is going through.

Not sure what logging crew it was, as logging is slowing down, one mill shut down permanently, one major one left right next to me actually. The time delay was ridiculous, that’s why ranches have protocols, all of which I’m sure he was used to. Not much information, if he went alone he should’ve brought his cell phone at the very least. As far as I know he had one dog.

 

[Equestrian]

I think LE is really guessing because they'v said, it's likely he went out on Sunday....but from what I gather with reporting (and heresay) no one knows whether he was at home in his own bed by himself that Saturday night. Just that they can place him at the ranch Saturday afternoon.

So, the search may have not started for what, 3 days that he'd been "out there somewhere"? Losing the most critical first 48 hours of someone missing.

Here's what I've been chewing on:
Why didn't the "loggers" who came across the saddled horse tell anyone prior to letting KR know? And why wouldn't they just call the RCMP? Or did they? And them, why didn't KR the RCMP? He called GD instead. (and GD is quoted in MSM). Did anyone call ML the brand inspector? It's BT's horse, so it doesn't have the NR brand on it.
~~~~~~
Who are the "loggers"? Surely these "loggers" would think it a concern seeing a saddled horse out there with no rider in sight? Most of us would automatically know something wasn't right seeing a saddled horse in the bush.

And, so I would assume they are logging in the daylight . . . when & what method did they make contact with KR, "hey, we saw a saddled horse yesterday, weird, huh?" And this is Sunday during the day or at night? Has this logging crew always been working Sundays? Where are they taking their loaded trucks?

Or, was it the following Monday morning, they are out first thing and physically tell KR where this horse is and he directly goes out, locates it after it's been roaming for 8, 10, 12 hours (after being sighted the day before) and has it tied up by 5:30 in the morning?~~~

Was there someone trying to be a hero, wanting to locate the missing rider and solve the mystery & that's why they didn't just immediately contact the RCMP? (Anyone can report that sort of thing).
~~~~~~

No report as to whether the dog(s) were kennelled or in the boot room, or anything other than he left it (them) behind and that's unusual (I've read one dog, two dogs...?) . . . IMO, LE would factor this in to narrow down a time frame, too. Would it really be unusual to leave his dog behind when he's going out socializing for the evening? And overnight, some let their dogs in the house, some never and they sleep live out-of-doors ... what would BT do?
~~~~~~

The clothes missing, do they know whether he was dressed for riding or was he wearing "town-clothes" indicating good wear not work clothes?
~~~~~~

I suppose if something happened while he was out riding and he met/came across a party that wanted him to disappear then they could have taken him anywhere: local or remote - lakes, rivers, gravel pits, etc . My opinion leads this way.
~~~~~~
I have no words even remotely adequate for what the family is going through.

Hi SweetAnna,
Some answers to some of your questions:
KR is the one who found BT's horse at 5:30 am Monday morning. It took him 20 minutes to calm the horse enough to catch it. He said the horse was very nervous and kept stepping on it's remaining rein (which is not the typical nature of this horse). After KR managed to catch the skittish horse, KR tied the horse to a tree. While KR attempted to locate the rider and notify local ranchers to attempt to figure out the owner, the members of the logging operation came upon the horse as well. Between 6:00am Monday and 12:30pm Monday, it was determined the horse had came from NR & was owned by BT. It was at this point on Monday that it became apparent BT was missing and authorities were notified.
All of the above information has been stated both by various MSM articles linked in this thread, as well as a family member. Since I am not linking the multiple MSM articles this came from on this post, and I do not wish to involve the family member, I'll state that this timeline is my own opinion.

 

[DarkestHour2019]

KR is the one who found the killer Allan Schoenborn, KR knows how to track very well.

 

[cybervampira]

https://www.columbiavalleypioneer.c...missing-man-to-leave-merritt-without-answers/

[...]

Jack said in a Facebook post that “God couldn’t have a better cowboy to watch his herd.”

He said his brother loved being a cowboy who always looked ahead to the next adventure. He recounted one of the last days he got to ride with his him in their hometown.

Jack said he was riding a “hard headed” young sorrel mare that was being uncooperative.

“My patience had run a little thin so I ‘encouraged’ her pretty hard with my right spur as I heard Ben say, ‘She looks pretty cold backed,’” he recalled. “I’ve never been bucked off so hard and so fast in my life.”

[...]

 

[Deleted member 238131]

Not sure what logging crew it was, as logging is slowing down, one mill shut down permanently, one major one left right next to me actually. The time delay was ridiculous, that’s why ranches have protocols, all of which I’m sure he was used to. Not much information, if he went alone he should’ve brought his cell phone at the very least. As far as I know he had one dog.

Well, yes, Tolko shut down but there are still plenty of logging truck, companies and loggers in the area.

 

[Deleted member 238131]

KR is the one who found the killer Allan Schoenborn, KR knows how to track very well.

That is incorrect. KR held AS but it was John McCoy who was the first one to come upon AS. Neighbour testifies he recognized Schoenborn, ending manhunt

 

[Deleted member 238131]

Hi SweetAnna,
Some answers to some of your questions:
KR is the one who found BT's horse at 5:30 am Monday morning. It took him 20 minutes to calm the horse enough to catch it. He said the horse was very nervous and kept stepping on it's remaining rein (which is not the typical nature of this horse). After KR managed to catch the skittish horse, KR tied the horse to a tree. While KR attempted to locate the rider and notify local ranchers to attempt to figure out the owner, the members of the logging operation came upon the horse as well. Between 6:00am Monday and 12:30pm Monday, it was determined the horse had came from NR & was owned by BT. It was at this point on Monday that it became apparent BT was missing and authorities were notified.
All of the above information has been stated both by various MSM articles linked in this thread, as well as a family member. Since I am not linking the multiple MSM articles this came from on this post, and I do not wish to involve the family member, I'll state that this timeline is my own opinion.

Yes, I'd read that but it was ALSO reported in MSM that the loggers spotted the untied horse and KR caught and tied it up.

 

[Deleted member 238131]

KR is the one who found the killer Allan Schoenborn, KR knows how to track very well.

I"m not disagreeing that KR tracks but this article clearly states KR didn't track AS Neighbour testifies he recognized Schoenborn, ending manhunt

Not to detract from the thread but hoping to clear this story up. McCoy didn't want media attention, not every one does.

 

[jellybean96]

I am wondering if he was ever out there in the first place, and the poor horse might have been used to distract LE from investigating other angles.

snipped by me for focus

I agree. I am not at all convinced he is 'out there' at all. At least, I don't think he is where they are looking.

 

[zecats]

Yes, I'd read that but it was ALSO reported in MSM that the loggers spotted the untied horse and KR caught and tied it up.

Thats how I read it. Looking for link. Loggers saw horse and were unable to catch it. KR was able to catch it and tie to a tree while he called. Found out 7 hours later who the horse belonged to.

Family of missing cowboy coming from Wyoming to aid in search

Tyner was last seen on Saturday, Jan. 26, but a search was not launched until Monday, when loggers in the Nicola Valley found a horse in full gear, but no sign of its rider.



Tyner is from Wyoming and his family is travelling from the U.S. state to help in the search.

Tyner was still missing as of KTW’s Thursday afternoon press deadline. Updates will be posted online at kamloopsthisweek.com.

Merritt RCMP Const. Tracy Dunsmore said other ranchers believe Tyner rode to an area known as Swakum Ridge, northwest of Merritt, searching for cattle belonging to the ranch.

Police say he wasn't immediately reported missing because he was working on his days off and may not have told anyone about his plans.

RCMP dog services and air support, along with members from nine southern B.C. search and rescue teams — including the Kamloops operation — continue to scour the area, but police say active logging and herds of wild horses have obscured possible tracks.

Local hunter Kim Robinson, the man who tracked down child killer Allan Schoenborn when he was at large for nine days in 2008, said he found Tyner’s horse early Monday morning, around 5:30 a.m.

“It took me about 20 minutes to get him because he was pretty jumpy — something happened to him. He only had one rein,” Robinson said. “But I caught him and tied him up to a tree.”

Robinson called a few local cowboys at that time to notify them.

“When they called me back at 12:30 p.m. — this really pissed me off — they told me that it was the manager of the Nicola Ranch’s horse, who had been missing since Saturday night. I don’t know why nobody knew.”