CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #2

[Jim_M]

IMO, the Tyner family alerted LE to the suspect based on knowledge they had from convo with Ben.
Agree, the family must be anxious for an arrest.

ITA. I believe we all are (patiently?) waiting for that 'break' in the case. The one that leads to the arrest(s).

 

[Trudie]

There appears to be a lot of time that the killer(s) had at their disposal. It could have even been from town, if that's where he ended up. They could have ambushed him, taken him somewhere that LE needs to find, and then returned his truck back to home. Then carried on with the Gunny plan. If that's what this was.....

This is so true @Jim_M are the sightings @2 & towards evening on Saturday even true?
Msm reported Gunny was in good shape, the only mention of her tack being worse for wear is the broken rein. I think it’s possible Gunny was not turned out until very late Sunday night or early Monday morning. Someone could have put her in a stall or even a horse trailer, after killing Ben. Once Gunny was turned loose, no one had any ideas where she might head or how quickly she might be found.
Upon removing her saddle, a wise horseman might have had an indication of how long she’d been saddled, running at large. Was her saddle loose, did she have sweat under her saddle pad? I’d like to know!
Hoping this is the week Ben’s family gets answers
Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

Gunny was found Monday morning. Maybe only because KR was out there then. Who knew she would be found quickly.

And, we don’t know when Ben really went missing. Friday night? Probably not. But at least as early as Saturday afternoon. That gives some time leeway.

And Ben would have been found to be missing anyway. Probably Monday when he didn’t show up to work.

Typically crimes are staged by the perp in order to deceive LE, to disguise the fact a homicide took place.

The riderless horse, nobody coming forward admitting to driving the truck and trailer drew attention to his disappearance right way. Those circumstances are quite different than a typical missing persons case where there are little or no clues left behind, the person is just gone.

That Ben was ambushed while riding remains a possibility but arises the question, how did he get to that location?

 

[MistyWaters]

And killing the horse would make it MORE likely to point to Ben being killed too instead of missing from a fall.
Unless someone were to hide the horse as well. That doesn’t work with accident scenario trying to be portrayed. JMO

Could be the perp was muddied because the accident scenario sure fell apart very quickly.

Yes I was referring to both the horse and Ben suddenly going missing, not a dead horse being found.

 

[MistyWaters]

Perhaps Ben and Gunny were both transported up to the logging area by someone Ben trusted, maybe the evil one offered to show Ben caves, old mines, and shacks on the mountain by horseback? Up on the mountain Ben unloads and gets on Gunny, his back is turned, boom, and Ben falls. Gunny is upset by all the sudden commotion, the killer cannot catch her in his hurry, so he loads Ben in the horse trailer beside his horse, and takes off, leaving Gunny on the logging road. Gunny is from Wyoming, and if trailered in, could be confused where 'home' to return to, is. This ambush could have happened near a big log landing (logging truck loading area) where the killer's truck and trailer could be turned around.

Maybe the killer is capable of killing a human, but cannot shoot a horse? In a WS case in Ohio, 8 adult family members were shot dead in bed in the night, but 2 children and several dogs at the homes were not hurt. Or he hopes when Gunny is found, or makes her way back to the ranch, it will be simply assumed Ben was fatally injured during a ride somewhere on the big mountain. Perhaps the reason the police are asking for any cam coverage is they are certain that Ben and his horse were taken up that mountain by someone, and they had to be on and near that big busy highway to do it. Are there highway traffic cams in the area?

Was there minute blood spatter of Ben's on Gunny's saddle, reins, Gunny? Hopefully some clue was left showing Ben was attacked in the saddle. Maybe the person with the trailer will not willingly surrender it because there is blood evidence from Ben, and no matter how much it is scrubbed Luminol will glow? jmo

Or maybe the perp wasn’t able to catch Gunny after Ben was attacked? She ran off, frightened, so the perp thought it best to just take off rather than wasting time searching for her?

 

[ktm44]

Everybody seems focused on the truck and trailer, assumed to be used to transport Ben & Gunny to another location but I wonder if the RCMP are focused on Ben's own truck and trailer being used to transport.

I'm not sure how many cowboys actually reside at the ranch but a strange truck and trailer would attract more attention than using a unit associated with Ben and the ranch.

 

[zecats]

Everybody seems focused on the truck and trailer, assumed to be used to transport Ben & Gunny to another location but I wonder if the RCMP are focused on Ben's own truck and trailer being used to transport.

I'm not sure how many cowboys actually reside at the ranch but a strange truck and trailer would attract more attention than using a unit associated with Ben and the ranch.

I believe it’s been stated Ben lived in a residence away from the others. And his truck and trailer were reported to be located still in front of his residence.

All this has been linked in previous MSM reports. And the truck location by LE.

 

[MistyWaters]

I believe it’s been stated Ben lived in a residence away from the others. And his truck and trailer were reported to be located still in front of his residence.

All this has been linked in previous MSM reports. And the truck location by LE.

I had noticed the wording of the request asking for someone to come forward who was driving “a truck trailer” doesn’t rule out the possibility Ben’s truck was used and then later returned to his residence......might mean nothing though.

ETA: If Ben’s horse trailer was physically hooked to his truck, parked in front of his residence....why that would be, for what reason is a question LE would seek to have answered. ie had he returned from somewhere that a horse trailer was required?

 

[zecats]

I had noticed the wording of the request asking for someone to come forward who was driving “a truck trailer” doesn’t rule out the possibility Ben’s truck was used and then later returned to his residence......might mean nothing though.

True. But then someone would now need access to his keys. Possible but I’d say risky. Imo

 

[MistyWaters]

True. But then someone would now need access to his keys. Possible but I’d say risky. Imo

Someone had to have attacked Ben in a violent manner or he wouldn’t be missing. Most people carry their keys, providing access IMO.

So few facts are known, I’m only thinking of various alternate scenarios that might’ve occurred.

 

[Trudie]

Everybody seems focused on the truck and trailer, assumed to be used to transport Ben & Gunny to another location but I wonder if the RCMP are focused on Ben's own truck and trailer being used to transport.

I'm not sure how many cowboys actually reside at the ranch but a strange truck and trailer would attract more attention than using a unit associated with Ben and the ranch.

Don’t forget, a large working ranch will have a lot of trucks & trailers.

 

[zecats]

Someone had to have attacked Ben in a violent manner or he wouldn’t be missing. Most people carry their keys, providing access IMO.

So few facts are known, I’m only thinking of various alternate scenarios that might’ve occurred.

I don't know for sure how violent of an attack it may have been. He could have been shot. Or poisoned. Granted murder is violent way to die. But I think Ben would be able to defend himself unless he was killed either by a gun or some other hands off method.

Yes he probably had keys on him. But to take his horse out would be risky enough let alone taking the chance of being seen in his truck (and trailer) coming or going. His truck most definitely was searched for trace evidence of him. Jmo

 

[Trudie]

I don't know for sure how violent of an attack it may have been. He could have been shot. Or poisoned. Granted murder is violent way to die. But I think Ben would be able to defend himself unless he was killed either by a gun or some other hands off method.

Yes he probably had keys on him. But to take his horse out would be risky enough let alone taking the chance of being seen in his truck (and trailer) coming or going. His truck most definitely was searched for trace evidence of him. Jmo

There’s no msm regarding a violent attack that I can find.

 

[moonriverfarm]

If someone came and picked the horse up it could have been in THEIR trailer.

 

[ktm44]

I believe it’s been stated Ben lived in a residence away from the others. And his truck and trailer were reported to be located still in front of his residence.

All this has been linked in previous MSM reports. And the truck location by LE.

I understood that Ben lives in his own residence, which is usual for a ranch manager but local cowboys are allowed to live in their own residence and it's not uncommon for non locals to be housed in mobile homes on another piece of land (depending on local permit requirements). This all happened during the period where a working ranch would have minimal staff so Ben could have been the only person actually living in the yard and there may have been very little as far as chores.

Because the truck and trailer were in his yard still doesn't mean it wasn't used and returned. People are predictable and a career B&E guy once told me that women leave purses in the a certain location and keys are almost always left in another specific location in a house. I was surprised to learn, that I followed the very usual pattern until I changed my routine.

A lot of cowboys make extra money by training outside horses while they work on a ranch so chores at that time could have been no more complicated that putting a round bale out for the few horses on site every few days, which Ben may have handled personally.

Any cattle could have been fed in various pastures but most big ranches stack feed in various locations for convenience and as a way to ensure that in the case of fire or theft, they don't lose and entire winter supply.

Essentially, the yard could have been fairly quiet at the time Ben went missing.

Like so may others, I'd like to know more about the last known sightings before he went missing and a lot more about the actual search. One of the two FB pages had some discussion about informal searches and a forestry worker offered a map of the areas that had been searched and more concerning to me was the areas that hadn't been searched. One area was claimed to have been too icy and treacherous to search at the time and the focus of the original search seemed to be in the general area of where the horse was found. I've heard no mention of any further formal searches and like everyone else, I'm making assumptions but I suspect that won't happen until the snow has fully melted.

 

[watcher9]

I believe it’s been stated Ben lived in a residence away from the others. And his truck and trailer were reported to be located still in front of his residence.

All this has been linked in previous MSM reports. And the truck location by LE.

Would it be easier to get a horse into a trailer that it was familiar with rather than a different one? Could his truck and trailer have been used for the crime and then parked back where it was located in front of his residence?

 

[Trudie]

understood that Ben lives in his own residence, which is usual for a ranch manager but local cowboys are allowed to live in their own residence and it's not uncommon for non locals to be housed in mobile homes on another piece of land (depending on local permit requirements). This all happened during the period where a working ranch would have minimal staff so Ben could have been the only person actually living in the yard and there may have been very little as far as chores.

Idk if the info is still on the first thread but someone posted the number of homes NR actually owns and it is many. Some appear to be used as rentals/non ranch housing. The farm that took over the hay op’ in 2017 kept 4 or 5 ranch hands that lived on site at NR. Presumably, they were able to keep their homes after hiring on with the hay farm.
IMO, Ben was in the office, in front of a computer most of the time. He likely wanted to familiarize himself with every aspect of NR. The off season would provide him the opportunity to do so. Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

There’s no msm regarding a violent attack that I can find.

I don’t think it can be denied it’s very possible somebody intentionally caused harm to Ben considering he’s nowhere to be found. Whether or not he was physically attacked is unknown.

 

[Trudie]

Would it be easier to get a horse into a trailer that it was familiar with rather than a different one? Could his truck and trailer have been used for the crime and then parked back where it was located in front of his residence?

I think Gunny was taught to load & would load in any trailer at the request of her handler.
IMO his truck/trailer could have been used, after killing Ben, the perp would have access to his keys.
Moo
I also think LE know the trailer they are hoping to spot on dash cam video.
IMO someone saw something. At the time, it seemed irrelevant, but was eventually reported. Forensics take a bit of time. We do know this:
RCMP say disappearance of B.C. cowboy Ben Tyner ‘may involve criminality’ | The Star

Sgt. Janelle Shoihet says members of the southeast district major crime unit have reviewed the evidence that has been collected since Ben Tyner went missing and have determined the case may involve criminal activity.
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Might we assume the evidence is blood or dna?
Also info from electronic devices?

And this: (same link)

Shoihet says early on investigators requested assistance from major crime detectives, but until this week police had said there was no indication of foul play.
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So, early on LE had reason to request MCU detectives (thankfully).
Their lack of stating foul play was suspected I interpret as their desire to keep things private. Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't know for sure how violent of an attack it may have been. He could have been shot. Or poisoned. Granted murder is violent way to die. But I think Ben would be able to defend himself unless he was killed either by a gun or some other hands off method.

Yes he probably had keys on him. But to take his horse out would be risky enough let alone taking the chance of being seen in his truck (and trailer) coming or going. His truck most definitely was searched for trace evidence of him. Jmo

Another hypothecate scenario — Ben left NR in his truck and trailer to go riding, unloaded Gunny, then was ambushed at some point. Gunny fled in terror whether or not it was the intention to leave her loose, she couldn’t be captured. With no other option the perp drove Ben’s truck and trailer back to his residence so it wasn’t found abandoned where it was parked, with the hope it would be days before anyone discovered the riderless horse. The other perp hid the body. That scenario would involve at least two people assuming Ben drive to go riding alone.