CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #2

[zecats]

Again, as manager, specifically a new manager, I don’t see Ben w/o phone 100% of the time.
Even on his days off. A manager in any profession is always the manager. Staff should always be able to reach their manager. If nothing else, what if a ranch hand needed to call in sick, unable to feed, needed Ben to cover for him? Or what if animals got loose, injured, someone dropped in wishing to meet/welcome Ben?
Plus, Bens dad was recovering from an injury, Ben would have his phone in case his family needed to reach him, imo.
And the obvious, what if Ben or Gunny did get hurt? Of course he’d need his phone so he could reach out or at least have a chance of being found. Jmo

All excellent points. We know he didn't take his phone, but do we know who discovered that? Or who has his phone now?

 

[Satchie]

Here it is: To prove guilt of someone in a crime. The perp must have had the:
-Means (to commit a crime) Poacher carried a gun to hunt with.
-Motive- poacher had previous run in w/ BT.
-Opportunity- out in the backwoods, no one else around and poacher put himself in the same area that searchers believed
BT to have traveled to looking for stray cows.

However, police don't believe he rode out to the area because it's pretty much physically impossible, the horse must have been taken there in a trailer.

I'm also not convinced there's any Nicola Ranch land in that area for any cows to be wandering off, but I don't know.

I've annotated the google topo map to show how there's various highways and a mountain between Nicola Ranch and where the horse was found.

 

[enelram]

Playing devil's advocate here and not meaning to disregard your theory. But, then how did Ben get out so far away from the ranch on his horse?, how would KR or any hunter there dispose of his body?, why did Ben not tell anyone where he was going and not take his cell phone?, why do LE suspect the horse (and possibly Ben) were trailered into the area? Also loggers supposedly spotted the horse first, but could't catch her..not sure of timeline of this, not given I believe. KR found her later.

Not one comment I've seen on FB or forum, ever considered him suspect of anything except to question the previous capture/rescue that is his claim to fame.

just giving answers to your questions-
Ben had pics on his instagram on another ride out looking over the ranch property, he said he'd ridden I believe 36 mi. out.
Prior to Ben's disappearance it was still pretty warm for the
area, compared to usual, perp could have stashed body in an
old mine or cave or covered it in a low ravine. Poacher said he knew all the old mines and caves in area.
Re: no cell phone- locals concur there's poor reception in the area
and wasn't unusual that he didn't take a cell phone.
LE said there were no tracks leaving NR on day he disappeared.
I got the feeling LE was grasping at straws on that one. There could have been 2 days for the tracks to have been driven over
and gone.
Just moo.

 

[Trudie]

Search continues for missing rancher in B.C.’s Interior

I always like reading Ben’s response to the reporter interviewing him. (Near end of article)
I think it gives us an idea of who Ben was.

 

[Trudie]

However, police don't believe he rode out to the area because it's pretty much physically impossible, the horse must have been taken there in a trailer.

I'm also not convinced there's any Nicola Ranch land in that area for any cows to be wandering off, but I don't know.

I've annotated the google topo map to show how there's various highways and a mountain between Nicola Ranch and where the horse was found.View attachment 176236

Tysm @Satchie
Again, Tracy Dunsmore early on commented about a seasoned cowboy separated from his horse was quite unusual. IMO, her statement spoke volumes. If I killed Ben, her statement would have caused me an “oh oh” moment.

@zecats later, I’ll see if I can find article, been a long time (as you know) but iirc, Ben’s phone was found in his house.

 

[zecats]

just giving answers to your questions-
Ben had pics on his instagram on another ride out looking over the ranch property, he said he'd ridden I believe 36 mi. out.
Prior to Ben's disappearance it was still pretty warm for the
area, compared to usual, perp could have stashed body in an
old mine or cave or covered it in a low ravine. Poacher said he knew all the old mines and caves in area.
Re: no cell phone- locals concur there's poor reception in the area
and wasn't unusual that he didn't take a cell phone.
LE said there were no tracks leaving NR on day he disappeared.
I got the feeling LE was grasping at straws on that one. There could have been 2 days for the tracks to have been driven over
and gone.
Just moo.

Appreciate your answers. And can see some of your points. To clarify a couple of things though, I believe from reading a post on Missing Ben Tyner Facebook page from a local (at the time) cowboy that stated he accompanied Ben on that ride to show him the lay of his new home..so Ben was apparently not alone while that far out.

Also, when I asked about Ben's body being disposed of, I mainly meant how would someone who is all the way out there accomplish that without leaving drag marks, blood or DNA evidence in a vehicle, that most certainly LE would investigate. Track evidence for Ben was looked for as soon as the horse was identified as his horse, and in the area where horse found due to the thought that he was thrown off and lying out there somewhere in the elements.

Anything is a possibility at this point. So not discounting any of your thoughts. Just have a few different ones myself. JMO

 

[Trudie]

Appreciate your answers. And can see some of your points. To clarify a couple of things though, I believe from reading a post on Missing Ben Tyner Facebook page from a local (at the time) cowboy that stated he accompanied Ben on that ride to show him the lay of his new home..so Ben was apparently not alone while that far out.

Also, when I asked about Ben's body being disposed of, I mainly meant how would someone who is all the way out there accomplish that without leaving drag marks, blood or DNA evidence in a vehicle, that most certainly LE would investigate. Track evidence for Ben was looked for as soon as the horse was identified as his horse, and in the area where horse found due to the thought that he was thrown off and lying out there somewhere in the elements.

Anything is a possibility at this point. So not discounting any of your thoughts. Just have a few different ones myself. JMO

By now, we’ve all formed our own thoughts based on what we’ve found.
I agree about disposing of a body in the wilderness.
Personally, I think Ben’s body is close to NR & his killer hoped to have opportunity to move Ben at a later date.
Jmo & all that Jazz.

 

[Trudie]

just giving answers to your questions-
Ben had pics on his instagram on another ride out looking over the ranch property, he said he'd ridden I believe 36 mi. out.
Prior to Ben's disappearance it was still pretty warm for the
area, compared to usual, perp could have stashed body in an
old mine or cave or covered it in a low ravine. Poacher said he knew all the old mines and caves in area.
Re: no cell phone- locals concur there's poor reception in the area
and wasn't unusual that he didn't take a cell phone.
LE said there were no tracks leaving NR on day he disappeared.
I got the feeling LE was grasping at straws on that one. There could have been 2 days for the tracks to have been driven over
and gone.
Just moo.

Msm never posted pics of Ben’s house & paddock, either.
Not as far as I know.
Do you know if any exist that are within TOS?

 

[enelram]

Appreciate your answers. And can see some of your points. To clarify a couple of things though, I believe from reading a post on Missing Ben Tyner Facebook page from a local (at the time) cowboy that stated he accompanied Ben on that ride to show him the lay of his new home..so Ben was apparently not alone while that far out.

Also, when I asked about Ben's body being disposed of, I mainly meant how would someone who is all the way out there accomplish that without leaving drag marks, blood or DNA evidence in a vehicle, that most certainly LE would investigate. Track evidence for Ben was looked for as soon as the horse was identified as his horse, and in the area where horse found due to the thought that he was thrown off and lying out there somewhere in the elements.

Anything is a possibility at this point. So not discounting any of your thoughts. Just have a few different ones myself. JMO

I believe it was member Sweet Anna, no longer a WS poster,
who said local rescuers mentioned the SAR groups stayed on
the trails- they didn't wander off into the areas searching.
That alone, made me wonder how thorough the searches were.

 

[enelram]

Msm never posted pics of Ben’s house & paddock, either.
Not as far as I know.
Do you know if any exist that are within TOS?

no haven't seen any pics of anything on the ranch. I'll bet owners
wouldn't allow that if homes are junky old trailers, which is likely.

 

[zecats]

I believe it was member Sweet Anna, no longer a WS poster,
who said local rescuers mentioned the SAR groups stayed on
the trails- they didn't wander off into the areas searching.
That alone, made me wonder how thorough the searches were.

Here's an early MSM report of the beginning searches.

Search underway near Merritt after riderless horse found

On Monday night there were 40 search-and-rescue workers on site plus police dogs, snowmobiles and RCMP air support, including drones. The search continued Tuesday, with the help of the Lower Nicola Indian Band but Tyner had not been located when the search began to wind down for the day at 7:30 p.m.

 

[Trudie]

no haven't seen any pics of anything on the ranch. I'll bet owners
wouldn't allow that if homes are junky old trailers, which is likely.

No, completely opposite. You can google search NR. Astounding!
Vacay rentals, banquet facilities, gift shop.

 

[Trudie]

I believe it was member Sweet Anna, no longer a WS poster,
who said local rescuers mentioned the SAR groups stayed on
the trails- they didn't wander off into the areas searching.
That alone, made me wonder how thorough the searches were.

The Indian Band searched obscure areas, to my knowledge (according to BT/FB, continue to do so)
Tracy Dunsmore once said the weather was cooperative, during the initial search, per previously linked articles.

Here's an early MSM report of the beginning searches.

Search underway near Merritt after riderless horse found

On Monday night there were 40 search-and-rescue workers on site plus police dogs, snowmobiles and RCMP air support, including drones. The search continued Tuesday, with the help of the Lower Nicola Indian Band but Tyner had not been located when the search began to wind down for the day at 7:30 p.m.

Hopefully, a simultaneous search of a forensic type was well underway back at the ranch/Ben’s house. Jmo, etc.

 

[zecats]

And more description of search. I would think this includes off trail as well. IMO

'No closure': Family of missing cowboy Ben Tyner appeal for more information in search

When Tyner was first reported missing, searchers and friends were at a loss trying to determine his whereabouts, as there were no details or clues as to where he could have gone.

“We don’t know where he was going. It’s totally out of character for him to leave the ranch without notifying someone. None of this is adding up. It’s a flippin’ mystery,” Tammy Straya, ranch office manager with Nicola Ranch, told Postmedia News last month.

Nicola Valley and Kamloops SARs began searching the area and were quickly joined by police dogs, snowmobiles and RCMP air support, including drones. The Lower Nicola Indian Band also pitched in during the search.

 

[zecats]

no haven't seen any pics of anything on the ranch. I'll bet owners
wouldn't allow that if homes are junky old trailers, which is likely.

From photos I've seen, which are on a SM as a business, NR advertises rentals as well. Photos provided of buildings and surrounding area look very nice actually.

ETA. They also run and maintain a gift store.

 

[Trudie]

One thing I consider, LE/family never mentioned the last time Ben answered or called out on his phone. Good info, to keep close to the vest, imo.
Ben may have been killed Friday night, the killer telling LE “I saw him ride out Saturday”, & the horse actually turned out much later after Ben was killed & his body hidden. Jmo.
If Ben met his demise in his yard, which I personally believe, the killer could have easily returned Ben's phone to his house, imo.
IMO, hiding Ben would take priority over staging Gunny.
In fact, that could have been an after the fact idea.
People knowing Ben that might have passed by his house would have assumed he was inside, enjoying his weekend off, since Ben’s truck was in his driveway.
Like most cases, cell data might play an integral role here.

Moo

 

[Trudie]

From photos I've seen, which are on a SM as a business, NR advertises rentals as well. Photos provided of buildings and surrounding area look very nice actually.

ETA. They also run and maintain a gift store.

Yes! I’d have no prob living there.
The themed homes are very cool & rich in history.

 

[watcher9]

Search continues for missing rancher in B.C.’s Interior

I always like reading Ben’s response to the reporter interviewing him. (Near end of article)
I think it gives us an idea of who Ben was.

According to this article dated Jan 22, 2019, the arson suspect was released on bail.
Unless they rearrested him after this article, he was out when Ben went missing.

The second article says he was released on bail on Friday which would have been Jan 18.

Man Accused Of Arson Released On Bail

Suspect in Merritt church arsons released on bail

 

[MistyWaters]

I’ve wondered ndered too, had he terminated someone? If so, surely he told his superior, or documented his actions.


Iirc, the arsonist was behind bars @time Ben went missing.
Odds? Same as Ben going on a ride apps two hours before dusk, w/o his phone & violating ranch rules by not informing anyone. Moo

Re- Watcher9 post just above.

 

[MistyWaters]

According to this article dated Jan 22, 2019, the arson suspect was released on bail.
Unless they rearrested him after this article, he was out when Ben went missing.

The second article says he was released on bail on Friday which would have been Jan 18.

Man Accused Of Arson Released On Bail

Suspect in Merritt church arsons released on bail

Thank you very much for finding this!
From your link, an unusual piece of information:
“Details of the allegations against Caprian are protected by a court-ordered ban on publication.”