CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #22

[Bobbi Pearl]

I have wondered about this too— but I think KD says they still have a decent relationship? (Am I recalling that right?)

Yes I also think they have been doing charity engagements together, I thought they had reunited but then KD said they divorced, that could be good co-parenting and putting on a good front, they know they are in the public eye. Unfortunately to be scrutinized by the public's interpretations and opinions may cause people to not be interviewed, it does not make them guilty of anything, And on the other side, if they do speak up again they are scrutinized by people that know nothing about the whole picture.

 

[sandy_80]

Thank you, from link..rbbm

''I do not believe that Jonathon Sherman killed his parents. Nor do I believe the police think he did.

Yes, Jon is an odd guy who says odd things on odd occasions including the eulogy he gave at his parents’ funeral and and the interview he gave to the Toronto Star. Yes, he wrote some nasty emails questioning whether his father could be removed from Apotex due to mental incompetece. Yes, his sister Alexandra has told people she thinks Jon’s the killer. And yes, he’s inherited a lot of money as a result of the murders.

That all sounds pretty damning until you break it down.''

''I’m betting that if there are eventually arrests in this case, it’s not going to be someone whose name has been bandied about as a possible suspect, but rather someone who has been mentioned in passing or not at all.''

I am trying to see the argument ..not spotting anything except I bet
its also the little things that comes to mind
the unbelievable awards money that keeps rising and the staged ( i am building this to honor ) where everything says..this sudden compassion was never there prior to murder
the convenient trip and the image proving his whereabout
the convenient invitation to a party where the parents lay dead
firing dad best man is first thing he does..

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Yes, all of what you said is what I have been thinking. He is one that is definitely on my list.

Just a hunch, and no proof of anything BUT something isn't sitting well with me when it comes to a certain person that you have just mentioned. JMO

I am not that confident to have a list and am only curious why they could not work it out. He may be more accustom to the amount of money AK now has, he himself is set for life with his own money now, I would have thought they would stay together and become the family center. I just think BK knows so much about Sherfam and the estate. LE say the case is intertwined with the estate, so I really think BK and AG would have interviews for hours with the LE, if it is all about the estate? They could be all the redacted interviews we have not seen.

IMO AK had info from BK and when JS said something it jived with other info she knows and it moved her into the opinion that he was involved.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

The NW may have gotten/be getting sufficient financial benefit that s/he does not care about $10M.

Also, if the tip comes from a perpetrator, the family may well have a loophole such that they do not have to pay out the reward. Unless the money has been put on deposit under trust, with third parties who determine whether or not it is paid out, there may also be a lot of reliance on the family to pay it out. What happens if they do not? Litigation? It seems pretty risky to put your own neck on the line for that.

Plus, if this much money is at stake, there may be plenty of resources to wipe out a potential “star witness”.

There seems to be a lot of risk in trying to walk away while pointing fingers. MOO.

Or simply they are smart enough to realize if they are involved they cannot claim the reward. Stipulations in the reward may state if you are involved you cannot succeed from a criminal act and collect.

But most often rewards go uncollected, even when a tip has been provided. Statistics show they do not want to be known as a snitch, they cannot control that their name will not be released or that they would be required to testify.

Assuming all rewards are processed through Canadian crime stoppers:

Frequently Asked Questions - Canadian Crime Stoppers Association

www.canadiancrimestoppers.org

 

[ldlager]

I am not that confident to have a list and am only curious why they could not work it out. He may be more accustom to the amount of money AK now has, he himself is set for life with his own money now, I would have thought they would stay together and become the family center. I just think BK knows so much about Sherfam and the estate. LE say the case is intertwined with the estate, so I really think BK and AG would have interviews for hours with the LE, if it is all about the estate? They could be all the redacted interviews we have not seen.

IMO AK had info from BK and when JS said something it jived with other info she knows and it moved her into the opinion that he was involved.

I have a close friend who knows AK, JS and BK, from both a personal basis and through work. FWIW he told me that JS and BK are very close, and that Bk is completely under the control of JS and does whatever he is told. He has also told me that the breakup of AK and BK had nothing to do with the murders, but occurred for another reason that I don’t feel it appropriate to go into here.

 

[newclues]

When KD goes back to court in the fall - and I hope it's September and not November because it will give us something to talk about sooner - it will be interesting since he's gone through this enough times and should be better at asking questions. It will also be a new judge, so will they play it safe since there will be more focus on them, or will they release more info than the now-retired judge?

Answering Lexi's question, I don't want to have tunnel vision but still think it's JS and AP who were involved with this. If the repayment of 50 to 60 million hadn't been requested I might think otherwise. If JK hadn't been fired, if AK hadn't accused JS of having something to do with it as well. JS also wants to get rid of AG. It seems he wants control over everything.

I would definitely entertain other theories but "follow the money" always comes to mind. Only 4 people benefitted and I don't feel like 3 are behaving suspiciously.

So who said "follow the money" and where has it led to so far?

 

[FPoulet]

So who said "follow the money" and where has it led to so far?

Jack Kay said to follow the money. Beyond the obvious (the estate), there are also those who benefit indirectly from the money distributed through the estate - including spouses, family members, business partners/associates. I think the police may be trying to follow the money more specifically in terms of transfers too —hence the attempts to obtain foreign disclosure. That is KD’s theory at least.

 

[newclues]

Thank you, from link..rbbm

''I do not believe that Jonathon Sherman killed his parents. Nor do I believe the police think he did.

Yes, Jon is an odd guy who says odd things on odd occasions including the eulogy he gave at his parents’ funeral and and the interview he gave to the Toronto Star. Yes, he wrote some nasty emails questioning whether his father could be removed from Apotex due to mental incompetece. Yes, his sister Alexandra has told people she thinks Jon’s the killer. And yes, he’s inherited a lot of money as a result of the murders.

That all sounds pretty damning until you break it down.''

''I’m betting that if there are eventually arrests in this case, it’s not going to be someone whose name has been bandied about as a possible suspect, but rather someone who has been mentioned in passing or not at all.''

The most obvious person to most observers is not usually always the guilty person. Sometimes, it takes someone with much insider knowledge to use it to their advantage, especially if there were parties that already had recent disagreements with BS like JS, KW, etc.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Murder property...

48 Old Colony Road is back on the market

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

I have a close friend who knows AK, JS and BK, from both a personal basis and through work. FWIW he told me that JS and BK are very close, and that Bk is completely under the control of JS and does whatever he is told. He has also told me that the breakup of AK and BK had nothing to do with the murders, but occurred for another reason that I don’t feel it appropriate to go into here.

Thank you for this detail. I appreciate you sharing what you can say without jeopardizing anyone's privacy.

You did confirm my thoughts that JS and BK are very tight. The recalling of the detail for me now is that JS wanted to remove AG from Sherfam and I assume the group of trustees. Did BK support JS on this subject? I recall the 3 sisters did not and AG is still there. *** Who convinced BS to remove the 3 sisters as trustees? Was this when the plan to take over started?

If JS has domination over BK it would be as if he has control over Sherfam, replacing BS at the helm, while removing anyone who could reject or prevent his ideas or plans. IMO JS felt Sherfam did not need Apotex and its potential for more money losses/payouts, sell it and add the $$ to Sherfam holdings.

I am not saying JS is involved but wow if we believe KD and LE, follow the Estate and $$, all the circumstantial details and events that took place really do point in his direction.

Either the culprit has done a great job of deflecting and setting JS up, or he planned this for a while and is smart, but with the attitude he has shown that he is as smart or if not smarter than his father and he follows through with the entire plan you hope his ego will be unstoppable and end up arrested.

AK could just be paranoid of any male close to her, the LE say it is someone close to the family, who can she trust? Her brother who is money hungry? her husband who may respect JS more than her marriage?

Another question, is JS selling off everything and closing down Sherfam now? he has Hour Holdings that he can put all his money into, the 3 sisters were to get there share of the estate, they sold off Apotex? If they all want the money will it close Sherfam completely?

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Jack Kay said to follow the money. Beyond the obvious (the estate), there are also those who benefit indirectly from the money distributed through the estate - including spouses, family members, business partners/associates. I think the police may be trying to follow the money more specifically in terms of transfers too —hence the attempts to obtain foreign disclosure. That is KD’s theory at least.

Interesting, JK said to follow the money, LE say the Estate, are they one in the same? When JK made the statement was he still a trustee of the estate?

What is the definition of an estate?


A person's estate is their property and money, especially everything that is left after they die. A personal representative is appointed through the will of a deceased or by a court to settle the estate of someone who dies.

Estate definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary​

If it is not one of the heirs, could it be someone who had a BS loan that they could not afford to repay, they thought if they are gone so is the debt (which we know is not accurate). My reasoning, the will only gives to those 4, of course the trustees are paid for their duties from the estate and the remainder is for the 4 children. So if it is not one of them or a spouse of those who are actually receiving $$ and or property; it would need to be someone who owed the estate $$.

What does estate mean for deceased?


When someone dies, their assets and liabilities are called the estate. Their assets are their property and belongings that have value, such as a house, car, shares and investments. Most of the time, the deceased person has left instructions on what needs to happen with the estate in their will.

This is a very curious case. It has so many rabbit holes we can play in, that may not have anything to do with the murders.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

One thing I am not sure we've ever discussed here: How did JS have the authority to fire JK? I know they were at odds with each other but a year after their deaths, JS fired him. Did he have full control of Apotex at the time? Did it come down to a vote between JS and others?

 

[Window21]

Murder property...

48 Old Colony Road is back on the market

It said a 28 yr old woman bought the property for 4.25 mil but now she has listed it for 6.5 mil.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

One thing I am not sure we've ever discussed here: How did JS have the authority to fire JK? I know they were at odds with each other but a year after their deaths, JS fired him. Did he have full control of Apotex at the time? Did it come down to a vote between JS and others?

this article may add some detail to this question:

Barry Sherman’s son tells Apotex CEO to leave

Jonathon Sherman told his late father’s longtime friend Jack Kay to leave the generic drug company after more than 35 years.

www.thestar.com

It seems JK came out of retirement when Desai left, he was "filling" in not meant to be there for the long haul.

When Barry and Honey Sherman were killed, majority ownership of the company went to the Sherman children: Lauren, 43, Jonathon, 35, Alexandra, 32, and Kaelen, 28. None of them were working at Apotex at the time.

Kay had moved into Barry Sherman’s office in the Apotex headquarters at 150 Signet Dr., and photos of the two men together over the years — some in business suits, some in lab coats — adorned the walls prior to Kay’s departure last week.
*** Personally I think this really pissed off JS, if anyone moved into this office, JS would feel it was he and not anyone else that should have that respect and privilege's.

According to sources in Canada’s pharmaceutical industry, there was growing tension between the 35-year-old Jonathon Sherman and Kay over what direction the company should take.


Bolding done by me to show what came from the article, non bolded are my comments and opinions.

 

[newclues]

Jack Kay said to follow the money. Beyond the obvious (the estate), there are also those who benefit indirectly from the money distributed through the estate - including spouses, family members, business partners/associates. I think the police may be trying to follow the money more specifically in terms of transfers too —hence the attempts to obtain foreign disclosure. That is KD’s theory at least.

“I don't think we'll ever know what happened,...”
"...if he thought that the murders of the Shermans would ever be solved and he said he doubted it."

 

[MerlinFalcon]

this article may add some detail to this question:

Barry Sherman’s son tells Apotex CEO to leave

Jonathon Sherman told his late father’s longtime friend Jack Kay to leave the generic drug company after more than 35 years.

www.thestar.com

It seems JK came out of retirement when Desai left, he was "filling" in not meant to be there for the long haul.

When Barry and Honey Sherman were killed, majority ownership of the company went to the Sherman children: Lauren, 43, Jonathon, 35, Alexandra, 32, and Kaelen, 28. None of them were working at Apotex at the time.

Kay had moved into Barry Sherman’s office in the Apotex headquarters at 150 Signet Dr., and photos of the two men together over the years — some in business suits, some in lab coats — adorned the walls prior to Kay’s departure last week.
*** Personally I think this really pissed off JS, if anyone moved into this office, JS would feel it was he and not anyone else that should have that respect and privilege's.

According to sources in Canada’s pharmaceutical industry, there was growing tension between the 35-year-old Jonathon Sherman and Kay over what direction the company should take.


Bolding done by me to show what came from the article, non bolded are my comments and opinions.

I agree that this would have pissed JS off, not because he felt it was too soon for someone to take over his father's office but because he would want to be the guy in it. He never showed any interest in working at Apotex.

But I still wonder who gave JS authority to fire JK or anyone else for that matter.

 

[AndrewM71]

I agree that this would have pissed JS off, not because he felt it was too soon for someone to take over his father's office but because he would want to be the guy in it. He never showed any interest in working at Apotex.

But I still wonder who gave JS authority to fire JK or anyone else for that matter.

The firing of Kay would come from the Apotex board. JS had to get a majority of directors to vote in favour.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

It said a 28 yr old woman bought the property for 4.25 mil but now she has listed it for 6.5 mil.

I think the 28 yr old sold it and this is another reseller. If you look at this link from an earlier real estate listing and the "sold history" you see grayed out the other sales/listings.

https://www.zolo.ca/toronto-real-estate/48-old-colony-road

 

[MerlinFalcon]

The firing of Kay would come from the Apotex board. JS had to get a majority of directors to vote in favour.

Do we know who they were?

 

[AndrewM71]

Do we know who they were?

According to an article in the Globe, at the time it was a 4 person board of JS, BK, JK and another long term employee, I’m not sure who.

Donovan has likely listed them in an article at some point.

Apotex names Jeff Watson as leader after CEO Jack Kay departs

Apotex chief executive Jack Kay, 78, left the management team last week after coming out of retirement last January to guide one of Canada’s largest pharmaceutical businesses through a turmoil-filled year

www.theglobeandmail.com