CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #22

[MerlinFalcon]

Does anyone have a link to when MS told KD she didn't have enough money for curtains? I remember this but I don't think it was in his podcast.

 

[sandy_80]

you think this a dead cold case ?
I cant see a break through where there is no DNA or anything physical..
and if somebody knew something.. what would be the reason to expose it now

 

[dotr]

Does anyone have a link to when MS told KD she didn't have enough money for curtains? I remember this but I don't think it was in his podcast.

Definitely remember that comment about curtains from earlier on, cannot quite find it now, just this refresher..
''2019 rbbm.

Murdered billionaire Barry Sherman planned to give away or invest much of his fortune, sources say

In the year before he was murdered, Barry Sherman was working on plans to give large amounts of money to charity and his wife, Honey, who was also killed, as well as expand his company Apotex, people close to the late couple say.

www.thestar.com

“Barry was talking about giving Honey a substantial amount of money,” said one person close to Barry.
The Sherman friends say one complicating factor in the planned gift to Honey was Shechtman.
“It was to be Honey’s money,” said a close friend. “If she wanted to give some to Mary, fine.”
In fact, in the wake of the Sherman murders, sources say Shechtman told the Sherman children that Honey had promised her $300 million. That claim, unsubstantiated by any paperwork, produced a rift between the Sherman children and Shechtman, beginning several days after the murder. The rift continues to this day. Separate shivas were held, one at Shechtman’s home and one at Barry’s sister Sandra Florence’s home.
Sources say Shechtman has told friends that her family is so short of cash that her husband is driving an Uber in Florida, and she is considering a job as a tour guide.''

 

[FPoulet]

you think this a dead cold case ?
I cant see a break through where there is no DNA or anything physical..
and if somebody knew something.. what would be the reason to expose it now

I don’t think it’s a dead cold case. There are active warrants being pursued internationally, for example. The police appear to know that Honey and Barry were being followed for at least a month before the murders. KD states that he thinks the police have a theory of the case and are trying to get airtight evidence. I’m hoping that the police are using things like cell tower records for burner phones (like they did in the Long Island serial killer case) and financial records, etc. I am cautiously optimistic that an arrest will be made.

 

[FPoulet]

Sources say Shechtman has told friends that her family is so short of cash that her husband is driving an Uber in Florida, and she is considering a job as a tour guide.

I find this a bit hard to believe, but that is just my speculation. If it’s true, it’s sad that despite given so much, they spent it, didn’t save it, and didn’t create their own livelihood or financial plans that were independent in any way from reliance on B&H.

One of the things that makes this case so interesting is that there are so many people related to B&H that are odd ducks or who micro-lie/exaggerate. These people come across as flawed and/or unlikeable and, as such, seem like possible suspects. It almost seems like a movie script with all types of red-herring characters, straight from central casting. MOO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I find this a bit hard to believe, but that is just my speculation. If it’s true, it’s sad that despite given so much, they spent it, didn’t save it, and didn’t create their own livelihood or financial plans that were independent in any way from reliance on B&H.

One of the things that makes this case so interesting is that there are so many people related to B&H that are odd ducks or who micro-lie/exaggerate. These people come across as flawed and/or unlikeable and, as such, seem like possible suspects. It almost seems like a movie script with all types of red-herring characters, straight from central casting. MOO

You'd think that MS and her husband would have understood that you have to work to make money. MS and Honey came from a poor family and I'm sure she worked, like Honey did, before the Bank of Barry came into play. This is a world that the rest of us find puzzling. How could they, as well as the cousins, not put some of that money into building their lives?

 

[deugirtni]

Does anyone have a link to when MS told KD she didn't have enough money for curtains? I remember this but I don't think it was in his podcast.

In August of 2020, I visited Mary in her spacious, well-appointed Forest Hill home
....
As with many issues related to this story, money and the spending of money is a sore point. Mary knows the Sherman children were upset that she chartered a private jet — at Sherman family expense — to fly from Miami to Toronto when news of the murders reached her. Then there was a Disney World trip a couple of months after the murders. Distraught and on medication to help her cope, she kept saying to people she had to “get to Disney World ... it was like a salmon swimming upstream.” In retrospect, she realizes it was the last place her whole family — sister Honey, their parents, Barry, and their children — “had been together alive.” She said she, husband Allen and their children, jammed into a two-bedroom condominium at the Florida resort and left after a few days. Allen said after the shock and terror of the murders, it was a “happy place” for his wife.

Mary said despite her real-estate holdings she and her family are struggling financially. “You can tell when (the money) stopped,” Mary said as I left her home, pointing to what to me was a well-decorated dining room with a long table. “No curtains.”

Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire

 

[ConundrumPonderer]

you think this a dead cold case ?
I cant see a break through where there is no DNA or anything physical..
and if somebody knew something.. what would be the reason to expose it now

No, I honestly don’t. I am certain the police know who, or what was behind the murders, however, I don’t think they have what they need to take to the Court for certain warrants, never mind the Crown for charges. I am absolutely certain the ongoing electronic warrants are geared toward building up probable cause, and once they can get there, I believe they can make a more public move.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

In August of 2020, I visited Mary in her spacious, well-appointed Forest Hill home
....
As with many issues related to this story, money and the spending of money is a sore point. Mary knows the Sherman children were upset that she chartered a private jet — at Sherman family expense — to fly from Miami to Toronto when news of the murders reached her. Then there was a Disney World trip a couple of months after the murders. Distraught and on medication to help her cope, she kept saying to people she had to “get to Disney World ... it was like a salmon swimming upstream.” In retrospect, she realizes it was the last place her whole family — sister Honey, their parents, Barry, and their children — “had been together alive.” She said she, husband Allen and their children, jammed into a two-bedroom condominium at the Florida resort and left after a few days. Allen said after the shock and terror of the murders, it was a “happy place” for his wife.

Mary said despite her real-estate holdings she and her family are struggling financially. “You can tell when (the money) stopped,” Mary said as I left her home, pointing to what to me was a well-decorated dining room with a long table. “No curtains.”

Brother vs. sister: Two of Barry and Honey Sherman’s children in a battle for control of the family empire

Thanks for this. Also, how odd and cruel that they faulted her for chartering a private jet to return home after hearing such awful news. They should have chartered it FOR her. What a horrible trip that must have been for her and it would have been a million times worse on a cramped plane.

 

[FPoulet]

Thanks for this. Also, how odd and cruel that they faulted her for chartering a private jet to return home after hearing such awful news. They should have chartered it FOR her. What a horrible trip that must have been for her and it would have been a million times worse on a cramped plane.

I don’t know. People die - and are murdered - and 99.999% of the time family members fly on normal commercial flights to get there.

Also, when people die, it’s not like their wealth goes immediately to beneficiaries. Why should the kids be responsible for their aunt’s private jet flight? Did JK take a private jet from NYC? I doubt it. And I’m sure he would be responsible for his own fare regardless. MS’s conduct seems a bit presumptuous. Maybe assuming a lot of wealth was now coming to her? MOO

Also, it’s hard to feel sorry for MS in her well-appointed Forest Hill home. Forest Hill is one of the most well-heeled neighborhoods in Toronto. This link shows 35 Forest Hill real estate listings *starting* at CAD$2.4M:

Toronto, Forest Hill, ON Real Estate & Homes for Sale

Browse 32 homes for sale in Forest Hill, ON. View listing photos, property details, and prices.

www.zoocasa.com

I feel for MS due to her loss. And due to her loss re her “expectations”. But it seems she is still solidly in the top .05% (didn’t KD also say she owns 17 properties??). I don’t think she does herself any favours by complaining about her lack of curtains. MOO

 

[FPoulet]

No, I honestly don’t. I am certain the police know who, or what was behind the murders, however, I don’t think they have what they need to take to the Court for certain warrants, never mind the Crown for charges. I am absolutely certain the ongoing electronic warrants are geared toward building up probable cause, and once they can get there, I believe they can make a more public move.

@ConundrumPonderer that is a lot of certainty. How do you get there? Please share!

 

[SPetty]

I find this a bit hard to believe, but that is just my speculation. If it’s true, it’s sad that despite given so much, they spent it, didn’t save it, and didn’t create their own livelihood or financial plans that were independent in any way from reliance on B&H.

One of the things that makes this case so interesting is that there are so many people related to B&H that are odd ducks or who micro-lie/exaggerate. These people come across as flawed and/or unlikeable and, as such, seem like possible suspects. It almost seems like a movie script with all types of red-herring characters, straight from central casting. MOO

I imagine that anyone under this level
Of scrutiny could be made to look peculiar. I’m always amused when someone is said to be “acting strangely”. Could mean anything. Kind of like when people get all worked up that somebody gets a lawyer. If I were in the same hemisphere as a case like this I’d get a lawyer. I do wonder on what basis people believe the Shermans were followed for a month.

 

[dotr]

I imagine that anyone under this level
Of scrutiny could be made to look peculiar. I’m always amused when someone is said to be “acting strangely”. Could mean anything. Kind of like when people get all worked up that somebody gets a lawyer. If I were in the same hemisphere as a case like this I’d get a lawyer. I do wonder on what basis people believe the Shermans were followed for a month.

2021

Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under ‘surveillance’ a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe

Documents show police sought cellphone data for dozens of ‘persons of interest,’ and confirm Barry Sherman had been ‘restrained at the wrist.’

www.thestar.com

''One year into the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, a bombshell: Toronto Police believed it was possible the murderer or murderers were stalking the billionaire couple a month or more before they were killed, search warrant documents reveal.''

 

[ldlager]

It was my understanding that Honey was to receive a windfall from her husband in the near future, at the time of their deaths, and from that windfall, Mary was somehow expecting, or had been promised by Honey (??) that Honey would then give most or all of it to Mary (that seems hard to believe - if H was to receive say $500,000,000 (half a BILLION), would she really then hand it all, or even $300,000,000 over to her sister??). It wasn't my understanding that Mary was simply being written into Honey's will for that amount. MS told KD her family is broke, no money for curtains, etc... Honey putting her sister into her will isn't going to help MS's curtain dilemma....... at least until Honey dies, if she was merely being left that money upon H's death - which could conceivably not have happened for 15 years or so. It was my understanding that MS mentioned this 'gift' from Honey to the Sherman children in the hopes they would honour their mother's reported wishes to do that for her sister, but instead, they put MS in their black book. imo.

You have made my point Exactly. MS supposedly has no curtains, despite all the money she received from HS and BS Over many many years. And Despite BS funding her husbands jewelry business to the tune of over $25 million. All that money she and her husband received from BS and HS evidently wasn’t enough. Waiting 15 years wasn’t in the cards for her. MOO

 

[ldlager]

I find this a bit hard to believe, but that is just my speculation. If it’s true, it’s sad that despite given so much, they spent it, didn’t save it, and didn’t create their own livelihood or financial plans that were independent in any way from reliance on B&H.

One of the things that makes this case so interesting is that there are so many people related to B&H that are odd ducks or who micro-lie/exaggerate. These people come across as flawed and/or unlikeable and, as such, seem like possible suspects. It almost seems like a movie script with all types of red-herring characters, straight from central casting. MOO

I imagine MS thought the gravy train would never end. Moo

 

[ldlager]

Thanks for this. Also, how odd and cruel that they faulted her for chartering a private jet to return home after hearing such awful news. They should have chartered it FOR her. What a horrible trip that must have been for her and it would have been a million times worse on a cramped plane.

There are many commercial flights a day from Miami and Ft Lauderdale and West Palm to Toronto. I think her flying private speaks volumes about her. Moo

 

[deugirtni]

You have made my point Exactly. MS supposedly has no curtains, despite all the money she received from HS and BS Over many many years. And Despite BS funding her husbands jewelry business to the tune of over $25 million. All that money she and her husband received from BS and HS evidently wasn’t enough. Waiting 15 years wasn’t in the cards for her. MOO

I think the point we may be disagreeing on, is when exactly MS was thinking she would receive the 'gift' of half a billion dollars (according to her) from her sister.

I'm not disagreeing that someone seems to have a special knack for blowing through tons of cash, or may have a sense of entitlement in regard to perhaps indulging in frivolous purchases at the expense of others, or perhaps hasn't learned a thing in a lifetime about savings or budgeting, or that it's likely difficult to wait for things.

According to MS and others, as reported by KD, HS was to soon receive a stash of 'her own' cash from her husband, at which time some or most or all would be shared with HS's sister. Nothing was said about bequeathing large sums to MS upon HS's death. If I have missed something to suggest it was instead supposed to be something only received from H's estate upon her death, please link the info.

If my understanding is correct in that MS expected to receive this huge windfall soon, when HS received it from her husband, then for me, that would seem to exclude the recipient from being a POI for monetary reasons. It would be the exact opposite. As it stands, now all MS apparently has, is a memory of a verbal promise, possibly known about by others as well, but no leg to stand on. She is SOL. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Thanks for this. Also, how odd and cruel that they faulted her for chartering a private jet to return home after hearing such awful news. They should have chartered it FOR her. What a horrible trip that must have been for her and it would have been a million times worse on a cramped plane.

At some point I remember reading that even the murdered couple's own daughter did not charter a flight, but instead took a regular flight.. as she was reportedly in Mexico when she received the news of her parents' deaths. I don't think the family is faulting anyone for wanting to arrive quickly by chartering a private flight, but rather, for paying for it with the deceased's money rather than her own - presumably without the permission of the family. imo.

 

[FPoulet]

At some point I remember reading that even the murdered couple's own daughter did not charter a flight, but instead took a regular flight.. as she was reportedly in Mexico when she received the news of her parents' deaths. I don't think the family is faulting anyone for wanting to arrive quickly by chartering a private flight, but rather, for paying for it with the deceased's money rather than her own - presumably without the permission of the family. imo.

I agree. MOO

 

[ldlager]

I think the point we may be disagreeing on, is when exactly MS was thinking she would receive the 'gift' of half a billion dollars (according to her) from her sister.

I'm not disagreeing that someone seems to have a special knack for blowing through tons of cash, or may have a sense of entitlement in regard to perhaps indulging in frivolous purchases at the expense of others, or perhaps hasn't learned a thing in a lifetime about savings or budgeting, or that it's likely difficult to wait for things.

According to MS and others, as reported by KD, HS was to soon receive a stash of 'her own' cash from her husband, at which time some or most or all would be shared with HS's sister. Nothing was said about bequeathing large sums to MS upon HS's death. If I have missed something to suggest it was instead supposed to be something only received from H's estate upon her death, please link the info.

If my understanding is correct in that MS expected to receive this huge windfall soon, when HS received it from her husband, then for me, that would seem to exclude the recipient from being a POI for monetary reasons. It would be the exact opposite. As it stands, now all MS apparently has, is a memory of a verbal promise, possibly known about by others as well, but no leg to stand on. She is SOL. imo.

Thanks. I had the same impression as you until recently when I read something linked here or on a podcast or maybe the Crave series that her money was supposedly coming in HS will. I can’t go back and find it as it would take forever, but that’s what I am basing my comments on. Dotr may recall, his knowledge and ability to find stuff is off the charts.
in any event, she apparently owns 17 houses but can’t afford curtains? I guess the Curtain money was spent on their trip to Disney?