Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[dotr]

This gay U of T teacher was murdered in 2001, not BM`s M O, but noting just in case.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/01/17/art_teachers_unsolved_murder_still_haunts_family.html

[h=1]Art teacher’s unsolved murder still haunts family[/h]It has been 10 years since David Buller was stabbed to death in his office at the University of Toronto.

Buller, a well-liked senior lecturer of visual arts who had taught at U of T for 15 years, was killed on Jan. 18, 2001. His murder shocked the campus and the city in its brazenness.

On that Thursday afternoon, Buller was in his office, working at his computer on an art project, when he was stabbed seven times with a knife. A cleaning lady found his body just before 7 a.m. the next morning.

 

[Wondergirl]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...lleged-killer-bruce-mcarthur/article37930224/

Wow - that is crazy.

If the son is not involved in his father's crimes, he's pretty much done mentally. (aside from his other issues)

 

[Grey-St]

This gay U of T teacher was murdered in 2001, not BM`s M O, but noting just in case.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/01/17/art_teachers_unsolved_murder_still_haunts_family.html

That is one bizarre case. Remarkable that this killer walked away without a trace. Not noticed by a soul that day, not a stitch of evidence left behind, no known motive. I don't understand this world sometimes.

 

[Wondergirl]

I'd like to thank whoever upthread shared this Daily Mail article because it proves a point so many people have been arguing with me about. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-banned-citys-gay-village.html#ixzz56MtMoUaB



If this is true, that Skanda and BM were in a relationship until 2008 - I bring back what I said earlier. How thoroughly did they investigate Skanda's disappearance during Project Houston? Did they even investigate BM at all at that time - a recent ex who had proven himself to be violent????? Various people have said he was an ex from years earlier - clearly not! 2 years, and they were still both hanging in the Village. If it's true that Skanda and BM were together until 2008 I think this proves that at least Skanda's disappearance was never investigated properly. jmo. Idsinga and team are doing a fantastic job now but it didn't have to come to this. It really did not.

Good post.

Why wouldn't Bruce remove Skanda as a FB friend after he killed him (if he killed him?)

Would it look suspicious if he did remove Skanda as a friend, when he was missing?

Could someone please confirm to me how many of Bruce's FB friends were known victims?

 

[Wondergirl]

Sorry if this is already posted.

Is there a working list of John Doe's in Ontario?

Arntfield's new article tonight definitely indicates a strong probability that BM has been killing for decades.

Has anyone done a case map? We need to do that.

 

[Wondergirl]

Ontario John Doe's:

According to a database of missing people and unidentified remains compiled by the Ontario Provincial Police, authorities are still trying to identify at least 371 John and Jane Does who were found dead between 1964 and 2015 . Fifty of those people were found in Toronto; all but two were male.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/08/06/what-happens-to-the-unidentified-dead.html

 

[dotr]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-photos-but-not-his-mug-shot/article37935832/

[h=1]Why you've seen accused serial killer Bruce McArthur's travel photos but not his mug shot[/h]

"We have a high threshold for us to release a picture. There has to be a valid investigative purpose," Toronto police spokesman Mark Pugash said.

However, within minutes of the news of Mr. McArthur's arrest, his Facebook page was already being shared online and media outlets harvested pictures from that social-media account and from his online dating profiles.



The public image of Mr. McArthur thus became the visual profile that he had chosen to define for himself, mostly with flattering pictures that he had curated before his arrest.

 

[Grey-St]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...-photos-but-not-his-mug-shot/article37935832/

It's still very strange to me, because one would think that the most "valid investigative purpose" would be the potential of more victims and witnesses, ie. folks needing to come forward. That seems relevant to this case.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Hi everyone.
Been following along since the days of project Houston...

Is it right that the remains of 6 human souls have been recovered but yet BM has been charges with 5 murders? (so far)

Do we know if it's a total of 6 between the planters and the excavation?



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[lcid]

Hi everyone.
Been following along since the days of project Houston...

Is it right that the remains of 6 human souls have been recovered but yet BM has been charges with 5 murders? (so far)

Do we know if it's a total of 6 between the planters and the excavation?



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I believe they were all from the planters... so I read

 

[Inthedetails]

While taking a walk this afternoon, I noticed a local restaurant putting in new plants in the planters outside the restaurant door and along the sidewalk. It looks charming, but all I thought was, "Ewwww!"

I probably won't be able to look at a planter without thinking of this case....at least not for awhile.

 

[cstewart0985]

Hi everyone.
Been following along since the days of project Houston...

Is it right that the remains of 6 human souls have been recovered but yet BM has been charges with 5 murders? (so far)

Do we know if it's a total of 6 between the planters and the excavation?



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A total of 5 charges have been laid with 6 different remains found between only a handful of the 15 planters that they’ve gone through yet. The only identified remains thus far have been Andrew’s. I’ve written previously that it likely was not a DNA match but more than likely his health or dental records they used to confirm. He had both knees replaced and it’s logical to think that those are how they ID’d him amongst the remains so quickly. There will be anywhere between 1-5 more charges stemming from the remains found. If they only can rely on nuclear or mitochondrial DNA however, it can take months for that to occur.

It’s important to note that the 5 initial charges were from other evidence they collected and not any remains themselves.

 

[cstewart0985]

This gay U of T teacher was murdered in 2001, not BM`s M O, but noting just in case.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/01/17/art_teachers_unsolved_murder_still_haunts_family.html

Not BM’s MO, but sounds like some of the Village murders/serial killings from the 70’s (not current MO, but noting that BM would have been in his 20’s through this time):

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/02/02/gay-village-stalked-by-a-serial-killera-second-time.html

 

[lcid]

Good post.

Why wouldn't Bruce remove Skanda as a FB friend after he killed him (if he killed him?)

Would it look suspicious if he did remove Skanda as a friend, when he was missing?

Could someone please confirm to me how many of Bruce's FB friends were known victims?

Yes it would probably look very suspicious to delete him after he went missing, so he kept him. Before BM's FB was removed it was very obvious that Skanda was still his FB friend.

He had a relationship of some sort with Andrew Kinsman but I was not able to see if they were FB friends. I would be surprised if they were not, because Andrew was very active on social media.

The issue here is that idk if anyone took screenshots of his list. It's difficult now with Sorush Mahmudi named as a victim - he wasn't on the radar at the time of the original arrest so I'm not sure if anyone checked if he was on BM's list.

 

[matou]

Yes it would probably look very suspicious to delete him after he went missing, so he kept him. Before BM's FB was removed it was very obvious that Skanda was still his FB friend.

He had a relationship of some sort with Andrew Kinsman but I was not able to see if they were FB friends. I would be surprised if they were not, because Andrew was very active on social media.

The issue here is that idk if anyone took screenshots of his list. It's difficult now with Sorush Mahmudi named as a victim - he wasn't on the radar at the time of the original arrest so I'm not sure if anyone checked if he was on BM's list.

Someone has taken screenshots of his list and Skanda was the only missing person on there. Someone with the same last name as one of the victims was on his list.

 

[matou]

Ontario John Doe's:

According to a database of missing people and unidentified remains compiled by the Ontario Provincial Police, authorities are still trying to identify at least 371 John and Jane Does who were found dead between 1964 and 2015 . Fifty of those people were found in Toronto; all but two were male.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/08/06/what-happens-to-the-unidentified-dead.html

Check this out Wondergirl!

https://www.utoronto.ca/news/sketch...ates-database-help-understand-why-people-kill

 

[cybervampira]

Yes it would probably look very suspicious to delete him after he went missing, so he kept him. Before BM's FB was removed it was very obvious that Skanda was still his FB friend.

He had a relationship of some sort with Andrew Kinsman but I was not able to see if they were FB friends. I would be surprised if they were not, because Andrew was very active on social media.

The issue here is that idk if anyone took screenshots of his list. It's difficult now with Sorush Mahmudi named as a victim - he wasn't on the radar at the time of the original arrest so I'm not sure if anyone checked if he was on BM's list.

Next to Skanda, there was „Jay Kinsman“ in his FB friends list. I also found „Frank Ng“ in his friends list which could probably be „Frank Wang“ who is also missing.


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[dotr]

Check this out Wondergirl!

https://www.utoronto.ca/news/sketch...ates-database-help-understand-why-people-kill

Very interesting! :smile:

She and a team of six undergraduate and graduate students sorted serial killers by hundreds of criteria, including medical diagnoses, reasons for their first arrest and the site where they disposed of victims. The researchers gathered the data through access-to-public-records requests, media reports and information from the Atypical Homicide Research Group, a network of 150 experts in law enforcement, criminology and other fields.

Arntfield says he was impressed with Reid's presentation. It was clear to him that Reid's detailed homicide dataset and behavioural analysis is at “the forefront of the 'new' criminology, which is highly interdisciplinary, publicly relevant, technologically and socially progressive, and fully actionable in the real world.”

 

[dotr]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4021581/...ce-mcarthur-couldve-been-killing-since-1970s/

February 12, 2018 7:10 pm

Toronto historian says alleged serial murderer Bruce McArthur could’ve been killing since 1970s

Peter Vronsky, the author of Serial Killers – The Method and Madness of Monsters, said a typical male serial killer begins killing his victims when he is around 28 years old.

“[Male] serial killers very rarely begin to kill in their 50s or 60s,” Vronsky said.

“Statistically, when a serial killer commits his murder, is around 28 [years old]. If he is an average, typical serial killer, he has potentially killed since the late 1970s.”

The Ryerson University professor said what we could be seeing is aspects of necrophilia, a desire for the dead, and it comes in various stages from a romantic desire to the sleeping beauty syndrome, to wanting to desire corpses.

“And it [is] desire beyond the death of the victim, that kind of control,” he explains.

“This is certainly new for Toronto police to investigate,” Vronsky said.

Police said they have been looking at hundreds of missing persons cases, and Vronsky said criminal profilers will likely be advising police to look back to the 1970s.

rbbm.

 

[Wondergirl]

Check this out Wondergirl!

https://www.utoronto.ca/news/sketch...ates-database-help-understand-why-people-kill

Wow, that's incredible, thank-you.

P.S. Did you get a password from her so we can access her database?!!!