Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

  • #761
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Fourth speaker is another sibling, Patricia Kinsman. She'll also be reading a statement on behalf of her brother.
2:29 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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Patricia says she found out about her brother's disappearance via a missing person poster on Facebook. Family spent six months looking for him.
2:30 PM - 04 Feb 2019


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Says family members paid Kinsman's bills for months, believing he could still be alive.
2:31 PM - 04 Feb 2019


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Refers to McArthur only as "him", saying "we never say his name." McArthur does not appear to be showing any emotion in response.
2:32 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
On behalf of brother Steven, Patricia Kinsman describes nightmares in which McArthur attacks Andrew Kinsman. It's clear his brother's murder has had a significant impact on Steven's life.
2:33 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #762
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Edward Healey, a friend of Kinsman, is up next. Speaking for himself and reading a statement on behalf of another friend.
2:34 PM - 04 Feb 2019


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"I know that he knows what kind of person Andrew was," he says of McArthur. "He knows what he took away from me, from all of Andrew's friends and family."
2:35 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Healey says he's grateful his friend Kinsman "outsmarted" McArthur by leaving the name Bruce in his calendar -- the initial clue that led police to McArthur.
2:37 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
Andrew Kinsman’s friend: “I am shattered by Bruce McArthur’s actions. It is impossible to even think of forgiving him.” She says McArthur brought to life something you thought you only saw in books in movies.
2:40 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #763
Ryan Flanagan
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Craig Dunn describes Kinsman as his best friend of 30 years. Says his family took Kinsman in as their own. They would travel and hike together.
2:42 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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Dunn says, to chuckles, that they later started sharing Dunn's passion for food after Kinsman gave up vegetarianism.
2:42 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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"My life has been truly fractured. My heart, spirit and soul have been fractured." - Craig Dunn
2:43 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
“My life has been truly fractured.” -Andrew Kinsman’s best friend Greg.
2:44 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
-“Andrew is an amazing person. He is one of the smartest people I have ever known...Rest peacefully sweet man. I love you.” -Andrew Kinsman’s best friend Greg.
2:46 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #764
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan

Robin Leblanc, who lived in the unit below Kinsman, says she was left "numb to the world" after learning of Kinsman's death. Says 20 minutes after she heard, a reporter was asking her how it felt to hear "gory details" about her neighbour's death.
2:49 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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The last time she saw Kinsman, he was returning her keys and they were chatting about the upcoming Pride festival.
2:50 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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"I'm a lifelong Toronto resident and up until Andrew went missing, it always seemed safe," she says. Now "darker and more terrifying."
2:51 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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Another neighbour says Kinsman was the building's superintendent and worked tirelessly to improve its reputation in the neighbourhood.
2:53 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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Neighbour says Kinsman took care of her birds while she spent months away, charming them to the point that they preferred him to her.
2:55 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24

We are hearing from one of Kinsman’s neighbours. How he recovered from Cancer. Took a lead role in the building he lived in, baked banana bread...his friend says, were he alive, he wouldn’ve worked to keep Ford out of office. May have fallen in love.
2:58 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan

Neighbour now describing the huge community-led effort to find Kinsman after he disappeared. Contrast this with most of McArthur's victims, who were so on the fringes that some of them weren't even reported as missing.
3:01 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24

This is a touching and poetic Victim Impact statement from Andrew’s neighbour. “I wish I was dead instead of Andrew.” Notes his impact would have been “so much more.”
3:03 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24

Neighbour says, Andrew’s words. “Come in. You belong. You at your worst is not who you are. Please come in.”The year before he was murdered he had a ‘bout of Cancer again. He was tired.
This woman is incredible. Everyone needs a friend like her.
3:06 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24

Neighbour and friend of Andrew Kinsman says Bruce McArthur brought to life everyone’s mythical fears of “the boogeyman.”
3:10 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
“I am grateful to Mr. McArthur for his decision to plead guilty.”
3:10 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #765
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Now taking another 20-minute break. Lawyers expect that anyone who wants to speak on their own behalf will be able to today.
3:13 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #766
Utterly hearbreaking
 
  • #767
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Back in session with a victim impact statement from an Adrian Betz (again, best guess at spelling). He's also a friend of Kinsman.
3:35 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Betz says he has lost friends and relatives to tragedies before. But never experienced anything like Konsman's death. He also knew four of McArthur's other victims.
3:36 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Adrian Betts (correct spelling) says he and Kinsman travelled the world together. "He was chosen family."
3:37 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
Adrian Betts. Andrew Kinsman’s friend...works w AIDS organization.
“I had nothing in my arsenal to prepare me that my friend would be murdered by someone that I actually KNEW.” (stares hard at McArthur.)
3:38 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Betts says he feels "incredibly guilty" he didn't see McArthur, whom he also knew, for what he is. "I am suspicious. As a leader ... working with marginalized populations, that is not good."
3:39 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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"If a friend goes on a date now. There are emails, photos of the guy, locations and check-ins," Betts says.
3:41 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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"If Andrew Kinsman can be murdered, then anyone can." Says some LGBTQ people have left the city because of McArthur's crimes.
3:42 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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Ryan Flanagan
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Now hearing from Dean Lisowick's daughter Emily. She never knew her father, only that he likely lived on the streets. Now she'll never have the chance to meet him.
3:44 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
"Even though I never knew him, there was still a chance that maybe one day I would be able to meet him ... now that is all gone."
3:45 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
Emily- Dean Lisowick’s daughter...she is on the phone listening in. Her Victim Impact Statement is being read (by Crown) in court.“I may not have know my Father Dean Lisowick because of the decisions he made in the past.”
3:46 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Now moving onto community impact statements, starting with the Metropolitan Community Church of Toronto.
3:46 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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Rev. Deana Dudley says many members of the church community have been affected by the murders.
3:48 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
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"I think it is impossible to overstate the impact these murders have had on Toronto's queer community," Rev. Deana Dudley
3:50 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Many of the church's members were ostracized from and left alienated by other parts of the community, Dudley says. They found family at the church. "And ironically, McArthur was a part of that family."
3:51 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
"Even with the defendant in custody, it feels less safe. It feels less trustworthy." Dudley says many people in the queer community no longer feel as though any place provides safety.
3:52 PM - 04 Feb 2019

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"I just pray that we will not let the anger eat us alive and cause us to lash out in unproductive ways," Dudley says. Many people confiding in her about anger, fear and loss of trust. Many people "still scared to death."
3:55 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Dudley says members of her church helped replant gardens at the Mallory Crescent home after police were done at the property. Says it's more than a burial ground -- "it's sacred space."
3:57 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
-“No one in our community can look at a large planter without being reminded of these horrific murders.” -Rev. Dudley from the Metropolitan Community Church of Toronto.
3:58 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #769
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Now we have Jaymie Sampa speaking on behalf of community organization @The519 .
3:59 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Sampa says McArthur's murders have been "exceptionally disruptive" to Toronto's LGBTQ community. "We are hurting. We are frightened. We are angry. We are grieving. And we are trying to heal."
4:02 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Since McArthur's arrests the group has created new counseling and crisis services, as well as self-defense classes and other responses.
4:07 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Since McArthur's arrests the group has created new counseling and crisis services, as well as self-defense classes and other responses.
4:07 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
Sadly, one of the images shown in court. Serial Killer Bruce McArthur had this photo of his victim Andrew Kinsman saved on his computer:
4:08 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #770
Cristina Tenaglia
@cristina_CP24
8-9 Victim Impact Statements left....Crown will read. Judge says three days have been set aside for entire McArthur proceedings.
4:11 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Eight or nine statements remain, all to be read by the Crown. Lawyers decide they will be read tomorrow morning.
4:11 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Judge attempting to hash out schedule for remainder of the hearing. Says judgement could come this week.
4:14 PM - 04 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Court has been adjourned. Sentencing hearing resumes tomorrow at 10 a.m.
4:16 PM - 04 Feb 2019
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  • #771
Grim details revealed at serial killer Bruce McArthur sentencing hearing (with clip)

February 4, 2019

WARNING: This story contains graphic details that some readers may find disturbing.

"...The Crown provided previously unheard details of Bruce McArthur's eight murders at a sentencing hearing on Monday after the 67-year-old pleaded guilty to the crimes last week.

LIVE UPDATES: Grim details revealed at serial killer Bruce McArthur sentencing hearing
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  • #772
Unbelievable. I have no words.

Evil. That's the only word that comes to mind.

I don't know any of these men but I am so utterly saddened for them and their families, and I am MAD. Seething actually. The depth of depravity on display sickens me. I knew it would be bad, but it's actually worse than what I thought.

Thankfully he will NEVER see the light of day outside of a prison. I am quite sure he will get consecutive sentences. He will die in prison.

MOO
 
  • #773
How police caught serial killer Bruce McArthur, according to the agreed statement of facts (with clip)

February 4, 2019

WARNING: This story contains graphic language and material. Reader discretion is advised.

"Police presented surveillance video, photo evidence, and DNA evidence during a sentencing hearing Monday for serial killer Bruce McArthur....

The statement of facts presented in court by Crown attorney Michael Cantlon detailed the lengthy investigation into McArthur, which began in June 2017 during Project PRISM – which was looking into the disappearance of Andrew Kinsman and Selim Esem.

McArthur’s defence lawyer agreed to these facts....

“Over the next few months, evidence mounted connecting Mr. McArthur to Mr. Kinsman’s disappearance,” the statement of facts reads...."

How police caught serial killer Bruce McArthur, according to the agreed statement of facts
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  • #774
Bruce McArthur: Door knock saved serial killer's victim

"Gruesome details of the 67-year-old's killings have been revealed in court on the first day of his sentencing.

McArthur pleaded guilty to eight counts of first-degree murder last week.

Monday's evidence was so disturbing that a prosecutor took the unusual step of warning the packed court that it could affect their mental health.

WARNING: This story includes some graphic details some readers may find upsetting

"Ask yourself if you need to be here," Michael Cantlon said....

More to come

The next two days will be focused on victim impact statements, before his sentencing on Wednesday.

First-degree murder carries a mandatory life sentence, with no parole for 25 years.

The judge said the only thing he must decide is whether to sentence him to consecutive life sentences, or whether McArthur can serve eight life sentences concurrently.

Either way he will not leave prison before he is 91."

Door knock saved serial killer's victim
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  • #775
So disturbing. These beautiful lives disrespected in such unimaginable ways. My heart goes out to the loved one's having to hear of such indignity's. All affected by this evil, evil creature.
 
  • #776
Criminologist weighs in on lessons learned from Bruce McArthur investigation

Feb 4, 2019

"As the sentencing hearing for serial killer Bruce McArthur kicks off, Western University criminologist Mike Arntfield weighs in on some of the lessons learned from this unprecedented investigation."

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Bruce McArthur sentencing hears grisly details and emotional statements

Feb 4, 2019

"The first day of serial killer Bruce McArthur’s sentencing hearing began with grisly details of his murders, followed by emotional victim impact statements from the friends and family of his eight victims.
To read more: Grisly portrait of serial killer Bruce McArthur's crimes emerges at sentencing hearing | CBC News "

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  • #777
"Bruce McArthur is never getting out of jail": crime analyst

Jan 29, 2019

"CP24 Crime Specialist Steve Ryan says the only decision left is if Bruce McArthur will get a concurrent or consecutive sentence. '

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  • #778
This is the full statement of agreed facts.

Warning: it’s graphic, upsetting, gruesome.

R. v. Bruce McArthur Admitted Facts

I’m look to see if I can find links to the full victim impact statements.
 
  • #779
How Bruce McArthur's 8 murders fit a pattern with other serial killers

Feb 05, 2019

"Bruce McArthur's meticulous planning of murder, his methodical approach to the killings and the posing, photographing and retaining of personal items from his victims, reveal similar patterns of behaviour with certain types of serial killers, experts say....
Jooyoung Lee, a University of Toronto associate professor of sociology who specializes in serial killers, said McArthur's murders were similar to those of Dennis Rader, known as the BTK Killer, who was responsible for the deaths of 10 people in Witchita, Kan....

McArthur's ritual of restraining his victims, the careful planing and disposal of their bodies, his plotting to kill and cover up the evidence — all that is indicative of what criminologists describe as "organized killing," Lee said.

"You see a pattern of very well thought-out, calculated behaviour," he said. ...

Lee said posing is often done for the gratification of the killer, who gets a thrill out of controlling that situation.

"There's something tantalizing to serial killers about being able to totally control a person even in post-mortem. That behavior is something that reflects those underlying desires and urges to dominate and control a person," Lee said.

Arntfield said posing is "extraordinarily rare" and is almost unique to sexual serial killers.

Serial killers pose a body to enhance public shock, meaning they want the bodies to be discovered that way, he said. Or a pose can be used as a stand-in for fantasy vignettes that often go back to the offender's formative years...."

How Bruce McArthur's 8 murders fit a pattern with other serial killers | CBC News
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  • #780
Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Back in court for the second day of Bruce McArthur's sentencing hearing. Expected to start around 10 a.m.
9:17 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
If you missed yesterday's coverage, we learned more than we ever have before about how police built their case against McArthur. We also heard how his crimes have affected Toronto's LGBTQ community and people who knew his victims. ctvnews.ca/canada/court-h…
9:20 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Justice John McMahon is dealing with procedural matters in several other cases before McArthur's hearing resumes.
9:33 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
The courtroom is noticeably emptier than it was yesterday. Maybe 50 people here, compared to 150 or so for the first day. About half are with the media.
9:44 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
Bruce McArthur has been brought into the courtroom and uncuffed. Much like yesterday, he looked down as he was walked in and did not make eye contact with the gallery.
9:58 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
The courtroom has filled up with the arrival of a large group of friends and relatives of McArthur's victims. Likely more than 100 people here now.
9:59 AM - 05 Feb 2019


Ryan Flanagan
@flanaganryan
At least two more people will read their victim impact statements personally today. Remainder to be read by the Crown.
10:02 AM - 05 Feb 2019
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