Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

[Maple]

March 10 2018
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ation-defend-work-of-front-line-officers.html

I read this too. One of them believes that "the main issue may lie with the higher-ups..."

 

[Maple]

Lengthy article, VERY GRAPHIC.
Rbbm to highlight the males referenced in these snippets are from the US.
March 10 2018
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ed-serial-killer-share-sickening-similarities

The two have eerie similarities!

 

[Maple]

Lengthy article, VERY GRAPHIC.
Rbbm to highlight the males referenced in these snippets are from the US.
March 10 2018
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ed-serial-killer-share-sickening-similarities

Brunton could fit the profile of the "bad stanta" from Kamloops. JMO

I also wonder if BM's and Brunton's paths ever crossed.

 

[cstewart0985]

I am reading here for the first time that BM owned a property north of Belleville. Do we know if LE has searched this property? Or is this a typo and they are referring to the friend's Madoc property that was searched and released.
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ed-serial-killer-share-sickening-similarities

I remember that someone that knew him up that way said he had a cottage on property and that everyone in town knew him and knew he had property there. I was banned from the group it was mentioned in. I’m sorry I can’t be of further help!


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[cstewart0985]

I am reading here for the first time that BM owned a property north of Belleville. Do we know if LE has searched this property? Or is this a typo and they are referring to the friend's Madoc property that was searched and released.
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ed-serial-killer-share-sickening-similarities

Wait. First time I’ve seen this article. I usually ignore the Sun. But that was a wild read. Explains the cannibalism ring the police said they investigated but it was false. Not that this story is better. Is there anywhere else that has written about this?


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[cnmccarthy]

Not something that i would like to bring attention to, but thinking it should be noted, fwiw imo.
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ecause-of-involvement-in-bruce-mcarthur-group

Omg!!! Crazy!

 

[Maple]

Wait. First time I’ve seen this article. I usually ignore the Sun. But that was a wild read. Explains the cannibalism ring the police said they investigated but it was false. Not that this story is better. Is there anywhere else that has written about this?

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There is a brief metion of it here, but not much detail.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/concerns...e-tory-calls-for-independent-review-1.3832161

 

[Maple]

The neighbour, who spoke to Global News anonymously, said that his 14-year-old daughter used to babysit children at the home in the Thornton and Taunton roads area and that she was forbidden from going into the basement and in the garage.

He said he also told investigators that one morning in the late 1990s, before the McArthurs sold the home, he noticed a large rock had been placed on the front lawn — despite the fact that there was no other landscaping work done on the lawn. The rock remains there to this day.

I hadn't read about this before. Sorry, if it's been posted before. Do we know if LE has searched BM's Oshawa home?

https://globalnews.ca/video/4051695...ghbor-of-alleged-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur

 

[cstewart0985]

I hadn't read about this before. Sorry, if it's been posted before. Do we know if LE has searched BM's Oshawa home?

https://globalnews.ca/video/4051695...ghbor-of-alleged-serial-killer-bruce-mcarthur

I'll transcribe what Idsinga said in the last conference regarding the Oshawa home tip: "We're aware of that information. Keep in mind that we're also privy to more information that you're not necessarily privy to. So right now I can't comment on what we've done with that house or where we are going with that house, but we are aware of it."


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[cstewart0985]

There is a brief metion of it here, but not much detail.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/concerns...e-tory-calls-for-independent-review-1.3832161

Definitely less sensationalized, but still insanely disturbing!


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[lilymoon]

Toxicology tests can be run usually but they are far less accurate. Depending on the state of the body they might have to submit liver, brain or muscle tissue. They can test hair and bone, in theory, but its expensive and not many labs do it. Unless it's absolutely pertinent to cause of death or a criminal case, most MEs won't test hair or bone.

Could one assume, given this is a criminal case with multiple victims, that forensics would explore all/any types of testing; regardless of cost?

Below is a clip from press conference (Mar 05/18); Chief Forensic Pathologist provides the scientific process used to determine - identity, COD, and 'what has happened to them'.

https://globalnews.ca/video/4062768...vered-bodies-in-bruce-macarthur-investigation

IMO, toxicology testing is also data collection that could establish any commonalities across all victims AND in reviewing sudden death cases. Example, a particular drug that incapacitates (could explain how BM could overpower/control victims); or another drug that could cause death but presented as cardiac or respiratory arrest

IMO, for example, should data collection/analysis show that a high percentage of victims showed the same substance that could present as cardiac/respiratory arrest it could explain LE's interest in investigating sudden death cases that were not previously considered suspicious and now could be under review for any connection to BM

 

[lilymoon]

Could one assume, given this is a criminal case with multiple victims, that forensics would explore all/any types of testing; regardless of cost?

Below is a clip from press conference (Mar 05/18); Chief Forensic Pathologist provides the scientific process used to determine - identity, COD, and 'what has happened to them'.

https://globalnews.ca/video/4062768...vered-bodies-in-bruce-macarthur-investigation

IMO, toxicology testing is also data collection that could establish any commonalities across all victims AND in reviewing sudden death cases. Example, a particular drug that incapacitates (could explain how BM could overpower/control victims); or another drug that could cause death but presented as cardiac or respiratory arrest

IMO, for example, should data collection/analysis show that a high percentage of victims showed the same substance that could present as cardiac/respiratory arrest it could explain LE's interest in investigating sudden death cases that were not previously considered suspicious and now could be under review for any connection to BM

More on forensics from older (Jan 31/18) National Post article:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...&utm_campaign=sudbury.com&utm_medium=referral

The soil found in household gardens is usually neutral and not appropriate to support the growth of acidic plants. However, the acidity of the soil can be manipulated in a more controlled area such as a planter box. But, even if a killer purposely buried human remains in the most acidic soil, Fairgrieve said, they’d have to consistently drown it in water — and it would still take several years for the bones to decompose.

 

[lilymoon]

The articles below are in regard to a recent serial killer, Stephen Port, in the London area. Of significance to BM's case:

• Bodies discovered in London were initially sudden deaths, ruled as overdose or suicide and not considered suspicious/foul play, but later determined to be victims of Stephen Port; perhaps this could explain TO's LE investigating sudden death cases

• In both criminal cases, LE began investigating other deaths for a connection to the serial killer; London - reviewing 58+ overdose deaths and TO - reviewing other sudden deaths

• A formal inquiry was launched to examine LE's handling of both cases

• Both serial killers had multiple contact with LE prior to arrest

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...rial-killer-stephen-port-insulted-distressed/

[FONT=&amp]T[/FONT][FONT=&amp]he bodies of his victims were found dumped near his home, but initial investigations failed to recognise they had been murdered, the Old Bailey trial heard.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]The Metropolitan Police have admitted "missed opportunities" to catch Port sooner and at least 17 officers are being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).[/FONT]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...police-homophobia-serial-killer-a7734031.html

[FONT=&amp]Following the trial police have introduced new guidance to deal with allegations involving “chemsex” incidents and are reviewing 58 cases where people died from GHB poisoning in London.[/FONT]

 

[Sjm_qc]

I am reading here for the first time that BM owned a property north of Belleville. Do we know if LE has searched this property? Or is this a typo and they are referring to the friend's Madoc property that was searched and released.
http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...ed-serial-killer-share-sickening-similarities

IMO, that’s a badly written sentence and refers to the Madoc property not owned but frequented by BM.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Sjm_qc
Sit on your hands, darlin, that's what I do to keep from going time out or banned for life.

. I started messing about with an Excel spreadsheet & x-referencing people and places. Got me nowhere, but it did keep me busy typing other stuff!

 

[Jasper52]

Police allegedly caught the landscaper, 66, with a hog-tied victim on his bed in January and have since charged him with six counts of first-degree murder after finding the remains of dismembered victims stashed in planters at a house where he stored work equipment.

Project Houston target and accused serial killer share sickening similarities

I think this is the first I've seen this. It was reported earlier that the victim was handcuffed to the bed. Wonder if this is the TO SUN is sensationalizing?

 

[cstewart0985]

Project Houston target and accused serial killer share sickening similarities

I think this is the first I've seen this. It was reported earlier that the victim was handcuffed to the bed. Wonder if this is the TO SUN is sensationalizing?

Thought the same thing. Although, handcuffed or hogtied means little to me as a person into BDSM. The man found was younger than his current MO and I read that he had nothing bad to say about it. He didn’t want to press charges because it was consensual and nothing bad had happened. I’m frustrated that media -in general- haven’t discussed the normal sex he was having. I think that’s scarier. We have men walking around who had normal, consensual sexual encounters with this guy and have to process this. They have to process the “Why didn’t that happen to me, but happened to that other guy I knew?”


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[dotr]

VIDEO.
https://vids.today/news/cbc-news/bruce-mcarthur-lgbt-murders-and-the-robert-pickton-case/

Bruce McArthur LGBT Murders and the Robert Pickton Case
March 11th, 2018 • News • CBC News Do the Bruce McArthur LGBT murders mirror the Robert Pickton case? Pickton lead investigator Lorimer Shenher tells the CBC's Wendy Mesley how bias may have played a role in both cases.

 

[Maple]

More on forensics from older (Jan 31/18) National Post article:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...&utm_campaign=sudbury.com&utm_medium=referral

I am just speculating if also BM kept some of the dismembered bodies in a freezer of some sort in his apt. (because he didn't a have a place to bury) until he was able to find a place such as the Mallory property, and thus unintentionally preserved the bodies for a few years. Not even sure if that makes sense. JMO

 

[Russian Blue]

Wait. First time I’ve seen this article. I usually ignore the Sun. But that was a wild read. Explains the cannibalism ring the police said they investigated but it was false. Not that this story is better. Is there anywhere else that has written about this?


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In the comments section someone says he did not own this property. Not that makes it true or not true, but makes me question the Sun reporting